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Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
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Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 09:41 AM
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This is yet another nail in the coffin of honest sellers that are doing "the right thing". The low DSR restriction is plainly WRONG and now they are piling on even more unrealistic restrictions. I ship every day and my feedback reflects it. Most comments are about my unbelievably fast shipping. Recently, I had a parcel sent via Priority Mail take 6 days from CO to TN and I am fairly certain I picked up a "1" from that. I shipped the item within a few hours of being paid, yet somehow, I have to pay for the miserable performance by USPS. Is this fair? Is this how eBay encourages sellers to do a better job? eBay has strong-armed us into offering free shipping but has done nothing to educate buyers. If shipping is "free", the buyers should realize that it won't be overnight. Buyer's expectations are ridiculously high and eBay only encourages it with shipping time DSR's. NOW we get to deal with International buyers who file "Item Not Received" claims long before the item can be reasonably expected to have arrived at the destination and cleared customs? I recently had eBay give back a U.K. buyer's money after 2 1/2 weeks! The item was sitting in customs awaiting the buyer who needed to pay taxes which the buyer paid for with my money that eBay so graciously returned to the buyer. The taunting feedback left by the buyer was just a little short of entertaining. eBay: you are turning good, honest sellers into angry, bitter ones. Your onerous policies are NOT reflective of any other online "venue" that I am aware of. No other online venue has made feedback God. If you want to improve buyer's experience, deal with the non Top Sellers who sell fraudulent products and knock-offs and let the honest people continue to do a good job without the constant stress of having to live up to your impossibly high expectations. Just my opinion...I could be wrong.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 09:54 AM
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Hi toolskwik, Thank you for your comments, as we are interested in how recent seller performance standards are effecting our sellers. To clarify, as with low DSRs, we will only be counting opened cases and seller unresolved cases on your transactions with US buyers when determining whether you meet seller performance standards. Also, one of the best ways to set buyer expectations regarding shipping times (free shipping) is to clearly indicate within the listing both the ship time and expected arrival time based on the service selected. A common best practice we've seen that has worked well for sellers is to offer both a free shipping (economy) option, along with an expedited shipping service - clearly detailing in the listing the options for the buyer so they can choose what will meet their needs. We've also recently added more information within the Leave Feedback flow regarding the ship cost, payment date and estimated delivery (based on your specified handling time/shipping service). The goal is to provide relevant information to the buyer upfront so they can leave accurate, honest Feedback. Thanks, Mikka
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:06 AM
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Mikka, Why does ebay not announce the international INR and SNAD exclusion in advance? Also, since I CANNOT drive and follow a domestic package to free it in case it gets hung in USPS's system somewhere, WHY, OH WHY, OH WHY cannot someone at ebay get a functioning brain cell and count WHEN WE SHIPPED THE ITEM instead of WHEN THE PACKAGE ARRIVES for our rating???? This is AUTOMATIC if the seller enters the tracking number, and most of all FAIR AND SENSIBLE!!! I'm a 5.0/5.0/5.0/4.9 TRS, and I still cannot tell you how bitter eBay's lack of fairness and concern has made me. I built this place with my hard work for 13 years, and at each turn, ebay has taken an opportunity to spit on me and kick me in the nads! WHAT PLANET IS DINESH AND THE GUYS WHO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ORBITING? My honesty and brevity above should represent tens of thousands of your good, top rated sellers who are sick of the abuse! ANY OTHER BUSINESS WOULD BE TICKLED PINK TO GET THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE I SEND YOU! I just called my supplier to cancel the rest of my yearly order, will sell what I have left, and leave. This place used to be fun to sell in, and I enjoyed meeting my customers. Now it is a chore, and what I do sell since March (when sales inexplicably fell 70 percent) is niether enjoyable nor profitable.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:10 AM
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mikkac@ebay.com wrote: A common best practice we've seen that has worked well for sellers is to offer both a free shipping (economy) option, along with an expedited shipping service - clearly detailing in the listing the options for the buyer so they can choose what will meet their needs  Mikka I use the multiple shipping options, most of my listings have 3 options. However, when customers use eBay checkout, they only see 1 option. A Buyer has to click to see *all* the options. It would be great if all options were listed, with the buyer checking which option they wanted. Instead of the default which is the first option. Karen
East Lane Ave
I earn $$ each month when my customers shop from eBay and other online retailers. ASQ to learn how you can too!
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:10 AM
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[We've also recently added more information within the Leave Feedback flow regarding the ship cost, payment date and estimated delivery (based on your specified handling time/shipping service). The goal is to provide relevant information to the buyer upfront so they can leave accurate, honest Feedback. Thanks, Mikka[/quote] There is already a point where the buyer has to check stating that he/she has contacted the seller prior to leaving neutral or negative FB. In every case where I have received non-positive FB, I have had no contact from the buyer at all. No opportunity to rectify a mistake or right a wrong. Is the buyer not contacting the seller grounds for FB removal? NO! What makes you think more info is going to help? Why not give seller;s the chance to appeal low DSR'S by presenting proof that they shipped in a timely manner?
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:13 AM
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toolskwik wrote: There is already a point where the buyer has to check stating that he/she has contacted the seller prior to leaving neutral or negative FB. In every case where I have received non-positive FB, I have had no contact from the buyer at all. No opportunity to rectify a mistake or right a wrong. Is the buyer not contacting the seller grounds for FB removal? NO! What makes you think more info is going to help? Why not give seller;s the chance to appeal low DSR'S by presenting proof that they shipped in a timely manner?  eBay removed the interstitial page without any announcement. I suppose they realized that buyers just lied about contacting the seller so it was a waste of time.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:18 AM
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>>Thank you for your comments, as we are interested in how recent seller performance standards are effecting our sellers. Are you really? Well, it's practically DESTROYED my 13 year relationship with eBay. I no longer trust this venue to have any idea who a good seller is and who a bad seller is. I have .51 low DSRs for the YEAR and I'm not a TRS. Seriously?? .01 over the already ridiculous and anoymmous and abusable standard and I dont' qualify. I know most of the sellers in the doll category and they drop in and out of TRS regularly, and SO many fantastic, top of the line sellers don't have TRS that I cannot trust it. I'm very angry and perplexed that eBay cannot recognize the stellar service my company (and so many others) provide and that this effects my search standing AND the $$ I have to pay, making me less competitive. My sales are WAY down; its a combo of all the misguided rules especially TRS AND me taking my business away from this site.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:19 AM
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You are so....... Right!!!! It is getting out of hand. It would appear ebay is self serving without a grasp of what it takes to be a great seller. I have a 100% feedback rating and still had my power seller rating taken away. Doesn't ebay know buyers are aware they are in the drivers set. I don't know how many times I have had to issue refunds, because the buyer knows, that I know, they can give me bad feed back if I don't. And this DSR is crazy!!! Buyers either give you a 5 or a 1. I personally think it depends on what kind of day they are having. And I have to ask myself, when a sell has has a 100% rating, why ebay can't contact a seller about any problem they may think exists before shooting off unreasonable emails like you and I got!!!! I just wanted you to know...Your Not Alone!!!
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:19 AM
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I have to agree with dtmedin. Ebay has made the seller into the BAD GUY and offers them no protection.I truly do not understand these policy's that you continue to implement. I recently recieved bad feedback from someone who said they never recieved the item but delivery conformation clearly showed they did but Ebay offered absolutely no help to me to remove the lie from my feedback. WHY?
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:30 AM
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I agree with Toolskwik! Our frustration level with Ebay has risen above peak as well! Ebay needs to realize that there are many dishonest buyers out there as well! One example I have is that I had an item listed as "broken being sold as is". The buyer contacted me and asked for a full refund including shipping both ways because the item was broken. Of course it was broken, that is what the listing clearly stated!! I contacted Ebay and explained the situation and was told I should issue the refund to avoid negative feedback and low DSR ratings. Guess what, the buyer STILL left a negative feedback!! Why cant Ebay see that my listing was clear and realize this buyer was just being a moron. How do we as sellers get protectedc from this type of incident?
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:46 AM
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I would like to post a few comments here in relation to the several items of discussion. When is eBay going to realize that if it weren't for us sellers there would be NO buyers and NO eBay????? Everything they implement is geared to charging sellers more money and giving them less benefits. I have experienced all of the above mentioned. I've had people from overseas report not getting an item; I've given them the customs number to check with customs and eBay still gave them a complete refund. So no they have their money and the product too. I've gotten bad feedback from people who do not read the listing. I've had people in the US purchase an item, remove the working parts from it, then report to eBay that it was broken.......it was in perfect working condition when it left my home. When it was returned to me all the interior working parts were missing and eBay refunded their money. eBay decided to "REDUCE" costs for sellers by RAISING the insertion price of items in eBay stores. Items that listed for .03 for one month now list for .20. That is one heck of a reduction in cost, isn't it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that eBay couldn't care less about its sellers. Well, as we sellers pull away and drift elsewhere, we can watch with satisfaction as eBay tumbles to the ground. What a shame.........
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:48 AM
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I cannot agree any more with this seller. I have a 100% feedbacj rating but, have to jump through hoops to keep the buyers happey and all at my own personal expense. Ebay/Paypal (same entity) Seller protection is a misnomer (farce). they only act as a third party arbritrator (note I did not say neutral arbritrator since they favor the buyer is over 90% of the disputes filed). I recently had a "Non-receipt" case field from a buyer in Italy and after several week of trying to track the package via the Customs for (due to the buyer not electing tracking or registered mail which is the only means of tracking an overseas package), the buyer stated that he received a "ring" form Dogona, Italy postal service that the package was there (probably for Customs fees). I checked the map of Italy and Dogana, Italy is only about 6 to 8 miles from his address in Varesa, Italy. Anyhow, Paypal refunded all of his fees since I could not prove that he went up to Dogana, Italy ( also called Gagiolo, Italy) and picked up his package, He did provide me with the courtesy of giving me a positive feedback and an "all ok" in return. This is the most that I can expect from Paypal as far as "Seller Protection" goes! With the forthcoming "dispute" policy forthcoming and non receipt disputes counting against the seller, I DO NOT plan on selling to any overseas buyers any longer and this will negate a portion on my and Ebay/Paypals bottom line..... Frustrates seller, Coinquestx1 Jim
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:51 AM
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playmaster10 wrote: You are so....... Right!!!! It is getting out of hand. It would appear ebay is self serving without a grasp of what it takes to be a great seller. I have a 100% feedback rating and still had my power seller rating taken away. Doesn't ebay know buyers are aware they are in the drivers set. I don't know how many times I have had to issue refunds, because the buyer knows, that I know, they can give me bad feed back if I don't. And this DSR is crazy!!! Buyers either give you a 5 or a 1. I personally think it depends on what kind of day they are having. And I have to ask myself, when a sell has has a 100% rating, why ebay can't contact a seller about any problem they may think exists before shooting off unreasonable emails like you and I got!!!! I just wanted you to know...Your Not Alone!!!  How many of ebay's management do you think actually materially participate in their marketplace at the Powerseller or TRS level? A pair of shoes bought here, an aftermarket trinket for JD's BWM there, but that's about it. That's why you see these kind of policies that have no connection with ebay's working "employees," the sellers. When have you seen the last "Good News" for sellers that was, in fact, good news?
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:54 AM
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I'm hoping someone 'in power' at eBay is seeing that many of its what used to be Power Sellers are disgusted here. They need to work with us instead of always against us....but I've emailed them so many times trying to have them understand that we are supposed to be a TEAM. I'm convinced they don't want to be a TEAM. Once again, they are against us sellers. DISGUSTED
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:54 AM
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I was charged a final value fee and item was returned after a 2 month battle with paypal ebay is unfair didnt back up thier sellers and do complete investagtion.We pay fee's so they make money and they do nothing to earn it like follow up.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 10:56 AM
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THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP FOR THE SELLERS. IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT EBAY CAN NOT (OR WILL NOT) SEE HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE TIPPING POINT OF PUSHING HONEST SELLERS AWAY. IF EBAY KEEPS AT IT THEY WILL SUCCEED IN KILLING THE GOLDEN GOOSE. thomaszr
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM
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thomaszr wrote: THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP FOR THE SELLERS. IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT EBAY CAN NOT (OR WILL NOT) SEE HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE TIPPING POINT OF PUSHING HONEST SELLERS AWAY. IF EBAY KEEPS AT IT THEY WILL SUCCEED IN KILLING THE GOLDEN GOOSE. thomaszr  Close to it? That was in 2008. They're in the barrel already down to the rocks at the bottom of the waterfall. Unfortunately, they are taking us as a hostage in the barrel!
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM
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Totally agree, but do you think ebay will listen? unlikely, they are too busy pulling the $$ out of our pockets. As far as the star rating go...they used to really irritate me, but I can care less anymore.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:06 AM
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mikkac@ebay.com wrote: Hi toolskwik, Thank you for your comments, as we are interested in how recent seller performance standards are effecting our sellers. To clarify, as with low DSRs, we will only be counting opened cases and seller unresolved cases on your transactions with US buyers when determining whether you meet seller performance standards. Also, one of the best ways to set buyer expectations regarding shipping times (free shipping) is to clearly indicate within the listing both the ship time and expected arrival time based on the service selected. A common best practice we've seen that has worked well for sellers is to offer both a free shipping (economy) option, along with an expedited shipping service - clearly detailing in the listing the options for the buyer so they can choose what will meet their needs. We've also recently added more information within the Leave Feedback flow regarding the ship cost, payment date and estimated delivery (based on your specified handling time/shipping service). The goal is to provide relevant information to the buyer upfront so they can leave accurate, honest Feedback. Thanks, Mikka  What does "Seller Unresolved" mean? As I wrote in another post, I had two cases opened against me in which Paypal ruled on my side, but yet in the preview for my Top Rated Seller page, those two cases are listed as counting against me! How fair is that?! There's an unfortunate trend here that eBay seems to ignore: Buyers LIE. They don't CARE when the seller ships the item - they only care about when they GET it. Which means if the seller ships SAME DAY, but there's a problem with USPS or a Sunday falls in that timeframe, the Buyer gets ANNOYED. When there's a technical problem on eBay or Paypal's pages, it's the Seller's fault. When USPS loses, destroys, or is slow with a package, it's the Seller's fault. When Buyers receive items and decide they don't like them, it's the Seller's fault. When Buyers receive clothing and it doesn't fit, it's the Seller's fault. When Buyers don't read the description fully, it's the Seller's fault. When Buyers have incorrect info for their address in Paypal, it's the Seller's fault. SEE A TREND?
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:11 AM
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I think the answer is "NO" eBay does not listen to it's sellers as it is only interested in keeping the buyers coming back. New sellers will always emerge and as the economy continues to flounder more sellers will come in. As a result, eBay is tone deaf to the needs of the existing sellers. The new seller update is a perfect indication of this attitude. *As a seller, I can not leave negative feedback. The customer can. *As a seller, I can not comment on negative feedback. *As a seller, I can not contest or get forgiveness for any DSRs *As a seller, I can lose my TRS rating over someone having a bad day, someone who wants to injure me for some reason, someone who wants a refund for something they have in their possession, someone who is ignorant, impatient, or inexperienced. *As a seller, I have to follow grading standards imposed by eBay even though my feedback is 100% and my item description average is 4.95 or higher. *As a seller, I have to risk my DSR for shipping time to every delivery service, for every item, for every day and destination, regardless of how well I package an item and regardless of how quickly I get it out the door. The customer only has to await delivery while tapping his toe with impatience. *As a seller, I have to describe in detail every item that I sell because it is not new, but then have to depend on the buyer to read, and comprehend my description and not just look at the price. *As a seller, I believe in customer service - it builds repeat business and cuts down my time dealing with complaints and returns - but eBay has rewritten the old saying about the customer is always right to "The seller is always wrong and just gets lucky most of the time. **As a customer, I am in the driver's seat all the way. I have spent hours on the phone with eBay's customer (dis)service department over specific issues and have come to the conclusion that they do not care a whit about their sellers. The new rules just prove it. Every time I get over a new policy that p***es me off, eBay comes up with something new to rile me up all over again. eBay has sure changed from the 90's and while listing has become easier and more powerful, I miss the old days when I could accept any form of payment, I could leave negative feedback, I could converse with someone who had a clue in customer service, and I felt good about selling. After being a member for 12 years, I am now evaluating my continued relationship with eBay after July 2010.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:12 AM
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mikkac@ebay.com wrote: To clarify, as with low DSRs, we will only be counting opened cases and seller unresolved cases on your transactions with US buyers when determining whether you meet seller performance standards. Mikka  Perhaps you can point out where it says this? I can see where it should be.  .
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:17 AM
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As a seller your advice on (Also, one of the best ways to set buyer expectations regarding shipping times (free shipping) is to clearly indicate within the listing both the ship time and expected arrival time based on the service selected. A common best practice we've seen that has worked well for sellers is to offer both a free shipping (economy) option, along with an expedited shipping service - clearly detailing in the listing the options for the buyer so they can choose what will meet their needs.) Is about as worthless as the DSR ratings to sellers. I have the most detailed terms and conditions ever printed on each and evey listing I have on ebay and buyers don't care and Ebay does NOT back sellers terms and conditons at all. It is ebays way or no way even when we spell it out as clearly as possible about shipping. shipping time, payments, etc. If a buyer thinks there item should have arrived the day after they paid for it they can leave a poor DSR rating and Ebay will do nothing to change it even when the seller has proof of payment date, shipping date and time. It turly insults me as a seller that EBay thinks we are down right ignorant human beings and that we really beleive Ebay when they tell us they protect us and support us as sellers. I've been selling on her 10 years I have gone threw all the changes and EBay is all about EBay making millions today and nothing about protecting and providing good sellers with an inexpensived honest place to sell there wares and make a little money. today all our money goes to ebay fees so many of the small time sellers like myself have ended hundreds and thousands of listings because we can not afford to list them any more. This will drop our DSR's and our ability to be or stay power sellers due to lack of sales, lack of sales dollars. WE will drop in search and thus cut sales down even further and in time be weeded off of ebay... It is really sad that greed now runs EBay..it certianly is not the Ebay i started selling on ...
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:29 AM
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You are not wrong feeling as you do that ebay/paypal does not fairly support honest sellers. I have suspended my international selling because of what some buyers can do with ebay/paypal "buyer protection" claims. In my case a buyer from Portugal bought two tablecloths from me about a week apart and then claimed non-delivery on the first one and got reimbursed despite that I could prove I sent it with a postal receipt. A couple of weeks later, she claimed the other one hadn't arrived and got reimbursed for that one. Two buyer claims within two weeks from the same buyer??? I lost the items, the payment, and both ship costs, many hundreds of dollars. I know it was a scam because in between the two claims, the buyer asked me to refund only half for the second one, which I did in good faith, and then she made a full claim for the second item anyway and received full reimbursement. I didn't even ask for my half refund back, knowing I had played into her hand. Nothing I could show ebay would satisfy, not even usps proof of sending and paypal evidence of my half refund. Without expensive tracking and insurance, sellers have no recourse, and charging that to all international buyers who are honest is not only unfair to them, but will prevent sales of smaller items anyway. So with very few exceptions, I don't sell internationally anymore. I insure all items domestically, because it can happen in the U.S. as well and luckily domestic insurance is less expensive so not so prohibitive. I recommend to international buyers that they establish a domestic destination so items can be forwarded to them without risk on my part. I spell this out in every listing and encourage buyers to complain to ebay that the ease with which dishonest buyers can claim non-delivery and receive a full refund unfairly limits the precious freedom of the marketplace. I have had to cut out a significant portion of my sales because nobody representing ebay seems to care or exercise reasonable judgement when a claim is made. I don't expect a rose garden at every turn, but this particular policy of refunding buyer claims indiscriminately is intolerable and damaging not only to honest sellers but honest buyers as well. Even more notable is that it will curtail sales altogether. Not, you would think, something ebay would want as an outcome on its own behalf.
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Re: Does eBay ever listen to the seller's point of view?
Apr 27, 2010 11:36 AM
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DSR'S are like any part of Business. To do "Great Business", You have to take GREAT CARE of your bidders (EVEN the bad one's). Do anything you can to keep your Score high. I Offer FREE SHIPPING - A 7 DAY Money Back (No Questions Asked) and I Pay for the Return Shipping. It creates 100% Feedback - Period. Do some bidders take advantage of me ? - YES! And, I return the favor by giving them a Full Refund (Many times letting them keep the cards) AND THEN I Block them from site and NEVER let them bid again. I don't see a Bidder as a 1 time sale. (What kind of money can you make from 1 sale?). I see them as a customer for a very long period of time. DSR'S are a GOOD thing for me because I always want to excel at keeping my bidders happy and have them return to my site. By alway's checking my Score I know I'm on the right track to success.
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