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Test of a new item page design
Aug 13, 2008 11:26 AM
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Hello everybody,
My name is Subha and I work in eBay’s product management team and specifically manage the item page on the website. As you might have heard, we are starting to test a new design of the item page and I am sure you have questions and comments on whats going on as I recognize how important this page is to all of you. So, I wanted to start this thread to help understand the background of this change and answer any questions you may have. Apologize for the long first post, but I wanted to set the context clearly upfront.
Q1) Firstly, why are we doing this change?
A1) The last re-design we did in 2003 improved our business metrics greatly (i.e., bids/ BINs per item page view). Since then the metrics have flattened and buyers are telling us that there is room for improvement. To understand what to improve better, we did a user research phase in 2007 for 8 months where we talked to thousands of buyers and sellers across the world on their impressions about the current item page, since the last re-design in 2003. These are the top 5 issues we heard from you
1.Lack of Organization. The item page could more effectively optimize allocation of prime screen real estate, facilitate comparison of items, and make distinct groups of information discernible at a glance
2.Inadequate Pictures. Pictures are an invaluable tool for buyers and eBay pictures were considered inadequate due to small size, poor quality, and overwhelming emphasis on text information.
3.Lack of Awareness of Functionality. Desired functionality often goes unnoticed due to haphazard placement and redundancy of elements
4.Information Density. Information not effectively prioritized to determine what must be presented directly on View Item page and what can be made available indirectly to reduce clutter and improve ease of finding desired information.
5.Lack of Inspiration to Buy. The spirit of fun and competition are missing. There are opportunities to enhance the experience through real-time countdown tickers, flagging bad sellers, providing total cost information, speed bidding and more…
Now that we knew what the issues were, we went back and dug deeper into which groups of information displayed on the item page was more important for the buyers to help make an effective purchase decision. Again, we sampled around 10,000 users, both buyers and sellers and this is the priority order of information that was important for the buyers overall.
1.Info about the item listed on eBay including the photo, description and current bid-price
2.Info about the status of the auction including the end time, bid history and your maximum bid for the item
3.Shipping and payment information including shipping cost, available shipping methods, acceptableforms of payment, and return policy
4.Info about the seller of the item including their name, feedback score, feedback comments, and other items for sale
5.Actions you can take on an item such as watching the item, bidding, buying, and contacting the seller of the item
6.Info about sellers store and policies including their other items for sale, shipping and return policy and their contact information
7.Ability to see related eBay listings such as accessories for an item, related search results, and recommended items
In addition to the above, we also have technical reasons for the re-design. We have security concerns such as BIN over-writes and performance issues with slow loading of the item page, where we believe there is an opportunity to improve.
Taking these issues and recommendations into consideration, we developed a new design of the item page as shown below

The high-level goals of the re-design are
1) make the item the center of attention for the page that will inspire the buyers
2) de-clutter and simplify features, remove redundant or sparsely used features
3) improve the business metrics by providing an easier-to-use item page and resulting transaction flow
The key feature highlights as you can see from above are
1)bigger, better pictures (size increased by from 200% - 300%)
2)real-time countdown timer in the last 24 hours of an auction,
3)tab layout,
4)key item info made more prominent – return policy, payment options, item condition, etc
5)new store header,
6)active content restrictions through description domain split,
7)bidding layers made the de-facto bidding model for signed-in users
8)merchandising recommendations and
9)last viewed items module.
Please also check out the following for more details – an overview of the changes - http://pages.ebay.com/newitempage/ and the FAQ for more details – http://pages.ebay.com/sell/June2008Update/faq/index.html#31
I am sure you have questions and comments on whats going on, so pls post here on the board, so we have a central place to discuss. I look forward to discussing them with you. Also, if you are part of the test, you will see a feedback link at the top of the page for a short period of time through which we encourage you to send us direct feedback too.
Now, for some housekeeping stuff –
1)for store sellers, we have a consolidated stores board at http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=1000722034&start=40 . I encourage you to ask store specific questions there as the stores team, apart from myself are partnering to answer your questions,
2) I will be back twice a week to answer questions on this board – potentially every Tuesday and Friday. Rest assured, I read all the posts.
3)I will also post shortly a seller-focussed FAQ that explains in detail what changes, if any, need to be done by the seller.
Let me know if you have any questions and suggestions on how we could partner better on this and how I can also communicfate better to all of you.
Looking forward to this journey and your valuable feedback,
Subha Shetty
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Aug 24, 2009 10:59 PM
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All issues aside, can't we opt out of this new page format? There are users, like me, who rely on fast page views, so we can browse through items quickly, so we can make snappy replies on other websites, such as disturbingauctions.com. With all of the heavy Javascript content on each eBay page, that becomes quite impossible, and the punch is lost on the transition, as I have to wait for the browser to finish composing the data. I've tried them all, they all take their time composing, and I lose all the timing to develop a snappy response. I used to be able to make up for it by building a custom BHO (browser helper object) that replaces the cgi.ebay.com line with a substitute line i.e. cgi.ebay.ca to display the old eBay format. Now that method has been defeated. How do I opt out of this new format now?
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Aug 25, 2009 07:01 AM
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I don't think you can . . . Some sellers can view their own pages in the old format, but when browsing, what you see it what you get.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Aug 25, 2009 05:26 PM
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phxss_sales wrote: All issues aside, can't we opt out of this new page format?  Thought you knew... over 90% of eBay is using the new format, therefore they must love it! (DISCLAIMER: I do NOT work for eBay, I do NOT like the new item page, I do NOT like the new My eBay page. This is a JOKE, unlike the statement you will undoubtedly see in the not-to-distant future about the new item page from eBay)
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 10, 2009 04:37 PM
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From a buyer's point of view, the new listing page format is pathetic. As of today, when I couldn't get the old format , I have stopped all purchases. Does anyone who sells care? Read my buyer feedback. I pay quickly and did quite a bit of business with Ebay sellers.No more.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 10, 2009 08:44 PM
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r*goodfellow wrote: From a buyer's point of view, the new listing page format is pathetic. As of today, when I couldn't get the old format , I have stopped all purchases. Does anyone who sells care? Read my buyer feedback. I pay quickly and did quite a bit of business with Ebay sellers.No more.  Please, PLEASE, call up Ebay on their helpline (866-643-1588), and tell them exactly what you just told us. Insist that they put it on their complaint list. Apparently they do have something like this, and I have talked to them about it. We need the buyers to gripe, too!
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 11, 2009 05:30 AM
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I am a buyer but also a seller and in my opinion the page stinks. I was just forced to use the new page today and I didn't even realize that they were going to do this. After all the really horrible changes in the last couple of years this just proves to me that Ebay only hires idiots. No one who had a brain would think this is good. It looks like a 3 year old designed it. Ebay steadily gets tackier and is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. If someone is too stupid to use the old page do you really think that is a good customer to go after. I sure as heck don't want them anywhere near my stuff. Who in the world did they talk to. No one with a brain or any amount of logic that is for sure. And talking to Ebay about any of this is like pounding your head against a brick wall. Actually you accomplish more doing that. I definately do not like the new auction page and Now I'm not so sure I want to list more items again. I definately will be slowing way down on the buying for sure. I hate being irritated when I'm trying to shop and this new page sure irritates me.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 11, 2009 09:50 AM
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Hi daffodideb Re your request: "Please, PLEASE, call up Ebay on their helpline (866-643-1588), and tell them exactly what you just told us." 'We need the buyers to gripe, too!" I just called their helpline, again. As usual, the response was that they weren't aware of any problem with the new page. Someone at Ebay screwed up, and they won't admit their mistake. Also, I won't be surprised if this forum suddenly disappears.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 11, 2009 08:45 PM
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auction3d wrote: I am a buyer but also a seller and in my opinion the page stinks. I was just forced to use the new page today and I didn't even realize that they were going to do this. 
I hadn't realized some people were still lucky enough to be able to use the old page--up until now.
You might want to check out two very active threads on this issue:
> I never thought things could be more fouled up than the New Search Experience! but what they've done and will most probably be doing with the New View Page might be the final nail in the coffin.
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> More info Here:
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> LINK to Can't see item description !
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> LINK to Hello sellers Some of use cant read your descriptions
The Hello Sellers thread actually has an eBay response to a seller! Something about cache and cookies?
Each thread has screenshots--that really show the impact that this new view page is having on sellers especially.
The hello sellers thread also has my post (#34) in rant format as both a potential buyer and the potential seller who is getting scr**** over.
And these issues affect people using Firefox, IE6, IE8, and Chrome; it's not browser-specific even if ebay likes to tell you that it's the one you're using.
Oh hey! There's another glitch too!
LINK to Shipping price not showing in description....
Information overload? Well that's eBay 2009: so much wrong it's hard to keep up! "on eBay opinions carry more weight than facts." --gramophone-georg
"also on Fox News" --everynineseconds
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 08:25 AM
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Hi everynineseconds Thanks for the links. I just posted this comment on one of them: "I will not buy on Ebay as long as the new "Item View" page is my only option. The customer service representatives are very courteous and want to help, but problems reported months ago still haven't been addressed. The Ebay Elite can't seem to admit when they make a huge mistake like this one. I only know one way to get their attention. Big toys and houses require lots of maintenance and maintenance requires lots of income. The top dogs who run the show at Ebay need buyers and sellers more than we need them. I repeat: I will not use Ebay as long as the new "Item View" page is my only option. If you keep that attitude and stick together, you'll get their attention. You already know the alternative."
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 09:51 AM
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r*goodfellow, when i still had the option I did all my bidding through the Canada site until it got switched over to the New View! I had had too many close calls with the completely inconsistent bidding buttons on various parts of the page and on the bid history page. And that countdown timer I don't find trustworthy at all: I'd rather have the "refresh" option. I have to remember to ONLY use the bid now button at the top of the page (never the one at the bottom or the one on the bid history page). Try it as a test and see what happens: neither of the latter two options allows you to bid quickly and with certainty! The interfaces are totally different and it's very hard to know how many steps to confirm your bid you are going to have to take. It's absurd, not even a beta product more an alpha. Oh, and I see that my post #34 on that other thread has magically turned into post #29 because somebody at ebay international has been disappearing posts they don't like. Oh well and now comes later this month the requirement of "professional" language in our listings: which means no criticism of ebay! I wonder how far we can go in explaining to (potential) bidders how to deal with the New View page glitches since they most probably will not be able to see OUR Item Descriptions. Here's a possibility that will even make eBay even more ill-deserved money: buy subtitles where you concisely explain to email if you can't see the description or pics! "on eBay opinions carry more weight than facts." --gramophone-georg
"also on Fox News" --everynineseconds
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 10:34 AM
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At the top of the new view item page, it says, "We're working to make eBay easier to use." That is simply NOT THE TRUTH! For example, 1) Duration of auction and start price not shown unless you are watching an item or click on the Bid history link. How is that easier? 2) Pictures are Java Script so you can't download them unless you paste a screenshot into Paint, edit and then save it. How is that easier? 3) High bidder not visible unless you click on Bid history link. How is that easier? 4) Seller feedback used to be available with one click. Now takes at least two to see all feedback. How is that easier? 5) Many times have to read the item description in a 1/2" high scroll box. How is that easier? 6) Why do some items have 27 pages of just white screen that you have to scroll through? How is that easier? 7) The Watch this item link does not always work. How is that easier? 8) Where is the start time for the auction? How is that easier? 9) When you want to ask the seller a question, sometimes you have to go through an extra screen. How is that easier? 10) Sometimes when clicking on Enlarge to enlarge a picture, it's still the same size. How is that easier? 11) Subha, you said, "bigger, better pictures (size increased by from 200% - 300%) ". That again, is simply not true. When the pictures were at the bottom of the item description, they were MUCH LARGER than the enlarged size is now. How can you write something like that with a straight face when you know it is not true? How is that easier? You people should be locked in a room and be forced to use this crappy change you made.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 10:45 AM
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Ebay, your new design is broken on many browsers.
Ever hear of HTML markup validation? You should try it some time...
Markup Validation Service
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 11:09 AM
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rer-ku, well said! I would add to your list the three very inconsistent buttons for bidding. I also say to management outside of ebay who buy software that is so bad: they should be forced to use it themselves! Example: two words: Lotus Notes Example from an IT email: "you have no doubt heard in the media about the security vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer and that Firefox is a recommended alternative. You are informed that you may NOT download Firefox for use at your workstation, that Internet Explorer is the ONLY approved web browser here at xxxxxxxxx. Any necessary security updates will be provided by IT." (note to busybodies: that is not copied from a proprietary and confidential internal business email: all identifying information has been stripped out, it's been reconstructed from memory, and do you really believe it would actually be sent out the employees of a company? Therefore it must be made up!) "on eBay opinions carry more weight than facts." --gramophone-georg
"also on Fox News" --everynineseconds
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 12, 2009 11:23 AM
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Ironic, and sad, that all of the efforts of both sellers and buyers pleading for help in correcting these defects are for naught. Firefox has been implicated. I do not have Firefox. McAfee has been implicated. I do not have McAfee. I have a very fast computer that is less than one year old. I do not have problems with other sites, including auction sites. It's an Ebay problem.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 13, 2009 10:58 PM
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Subha, I got hit by the new listing page on the 10th and feel like I have been run over by a train. Not sure in what way eBay thinks this might be better for me as a buyer, and removing the direct link to give feedback definitely hurts the sellers, but I have yet to see anything I would consider an improvement, and in fact am missing information I used regularly. I can't believe that eBay thinks I will waste my time looking for items on multiple pages of "Won" items to give feedback when a direct link is so easy and obvious. I have concluded that eBay no longer wants buyers to give feedback but does not want to draw attention to this. At a later time maybe the feedback system will just disappear. Check my numbers to see how much business I do and then tell me why my opinion is so insignificant to everyone I have talked to at eBay the last few days. I plan to do about 90% less buying until some of this is straightened out. I already have frustrations in several other areas (including a bug present since September 1st on the "My eBay" pages that no one at eBay will admit so far - What a joke! - Bet these people don't admit there is a hole even after falling in it) but this (mandatory) change is killing me. From what I read it sounds like eBay is not even trying to address some of the problems bothering most users. That is a great way to chase people towards alternative sites. I've never even been motivated to look for an option, but I suddenly find myself wondering what else is out there that might be more oriented around the needs and desires of the users. To sum it up, the "New" eBay doesn't seem like the eBay I have used and enjoyed the last 10 years. Monte Harmon
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 14, 2009 06:40 AM
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I love this thread. I cannot believe eBay has not pulled it. As many of you know, Subha has left the building - a VERY LONG time ago! And no one else from eBay has honored any of the posts with a reply. With almost 3000 posts that are all negative comments about the new page, you would think that eBay would show a little respect for its members. Good luck with that! Long live "Test of a new item page design".
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 14, 2009 04:42 PM
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starpondtoys, It wouldn't matter if Subha was still working for eBay or not. This thread doesn't matter to eBay, and if they keep up what they are doing, their (lost) members won't matter to eBay either. They feel that they have the market cornered (no other site even comes close to what eBay does) so they can do what they want with impunity and no one will argue with them. If they argue, they are told "We are trying to improve" or "we will work on that" or "you will get used to it" (gotta love that one) I agree with a lot of other folks here, the "new eBay" is NOT the same as the "old eBay" and we will all miss it dearly.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 14, 2009 05:19 PM
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pa-flyer wrote: They feel that they have the market cornered (no other site even comes close to what eBay does)  Lots of stores--brick & mortar and internet alike--seeem to think they have the "market cornered." It's the fastest way to go broke, too. There will ALWAYS be competition!
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 14, 2009 05:24 PM
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daffodildeb wrote: There will ALWAYS be competition!  Oh I agree wholeheartedly! I just wish the competition was a little more competition, if you know what I mean.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 20, 2009 11:20 AM
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Has eBay management read this board on the new view item page? No one seems to like the changes to it. Why don't you admit it is CRAP and go back to the old page? You are lying when you say you are making it easier to use. How is it easier when a lot of the information is not on the first page and you have to click multiple times to get the same information that one click took previously? You obviously do not use the page to buy items as we do, or you would see how unusable it is. What did you do, have a take your kids to work day and let them design the new page? Why do some of the pages have over 25 pages of blank space? Instead of making it easier, you have made it more difficult and really angered potential buyers in the process, or do you really care? Did Subha Shetty leave eBay because she got fired for creating this mess and you aren't smart enough to figure out how to undo it? eBay has become the most arrogant, unresponsive company on the planet.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Sep 20, 2009 04:13 PM
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I had a chat last week with one of Ebay's telephone people. We talked at length about the problems with the new page, especially the problems getting listing descriptions to fully open. He seemed sincere when he asked if anyone had reported this. I mentioned that there were entire discussions devoted to both this issue and others that the page has caused, and he took down the names of the threads. Will it do any good? Probably not, but at least we can continue to complain...
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Oct 1, 2009 04:54 PM
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I'm a buyer of collectibles and antiques. Better state this in past tense..I was a buyer. I hate all the changes that Ebay has recently introduced. This includes the "new search", which takes much longer than the old one and of course the topic of this discussion the "new item page". People at Ebay definitely have different understanding what buyers consider improvement. Having all the junk crammed into a page with different tabs that includes tons of useless data except the info I really care about is not an improvement to me. Especially when it takes ages to open up a page, which I dread to do and I rarely do it anymore unless the item looks very promising. Not surprisingly there are less and less of these items because the sellers too are leaving in droves.
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Oct 1, 2009 05:44 PM
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suto wrote: I'm a buyer of collectibles and antiques. Better state this in past tense.. I was a buyer. I hate all the changes that Ebay has recently introduced. This includes the "new search", which takes much longer than the old one and of course the topic of this discussion the "new item page". People at Ebay definitely have different understanding what buyers consider improvement. Having all the junk crammed into a page with different tabs that includes tons of useless data except the info I really care about is not an improvement to me. Especially when it takes ages to open up a page, which I dread to do and I rarely do it anymore unless the item looks very promising. Not surprisingly there are less and less of these items because the sellers too are leaving in droves.  I do hope you, and all the other disgruntled buyers and sellers, are calling Ebay on their "help" line to voice your opinions. Telling them directly that you've stopped buying/selling is the only way we have a prayer of anyone hearing us. I've had a couple of these guys tell me they have a bull session each week when they discuss all the comments and complaints they've received. Probably is just that--bull--but maybe someone will pay attention if they get enough calls...
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Re: Test of a new item page design
Oct 3, 2009 05:34 PM
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Is this some kind of punishment for reading the thread? While I appreciated getting an email every time someone commented, it's getting out of hand! No new comments, but I've received 21 update emails since yesterday! Every two hours I get another one! Anyone else having this problem? Could it be that eBay wants us to cancel our reminders so we'll lose interest in checking the thread? No problem . . . I'd rather put up with the inconvenience of these annoying emails than let eBay say: "We shut down the thread because there was no longer an interest. We knew sellers would come to accept the new page design once they got used to it, and the lack of interest in the thread proves that." As annoying as this latest ploy is, my delete button works just fine.
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