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Bid History Changes including a***b userIDs

Sep 6, 2007 8:33 AM
Bid History Update AB post
Hello...I'm Evan Liang with eBay's Buyer Experience team. My team and I focus on improving the experience members have when they place a bid or make a purchase. As Philipp mentioned, we're making a few important changes to the bid history page that we think will improve the overall bidding experience. You will begin to see these changes next week.

Making winning easier – bid right from the bid history page
We know from talking to Community members that many people spend a lot of time monitoring competitive auctions from the bid history page. Knowing how important this page is to bidders, my team has enhanced the user interface so you can now place a bid directly on the bid history page.

For our competitive bidders who use the bid history often, we think this change will simplify your experience and help you win that "must have" item.

Enhancing SMI -- adding transparency for items over $200

Last January, Rob Chesnut introduced an important Trust & Safety initiative called Safeguarding Member IDs (SMI). This project protects eBay's bidders on high-end items from fake Second Chance Offers and other malicious email. (Read Rob's announcement from January 8, 2007 for more details.)

While SMI has been very effective in protecting our marketplace from fraud, we also realize that it reduced transparency on the site, and, for some bidders, took away some of the magic that makes eBay so unique.

As promised, my Buyer Experience group has teamed up with Trust & Safety and the Community over the past few months to look at ways to make the bid history more transparent without jeopardizing the safety that SMI has added. I'm pleased to let you know that this week, we'll be making the following adjustments to the User IDs displayed on bid history for items over $200:

Actual Feedback Score is back – We will be bringing back the bidder’s actual feedback score next to each member's respective User ID.
New User ID Masking - We are replacing the current aliases (Bidder 1, Bidder 2 and Bidder 3) with a masked ID that consists of two random characters from the member's User ID – for example a***b. For any given member, this masked ID will be consistent across all auctions over $200 for which they place bids. At the end of a listing, the winning bidder's User ID will be displayed on both the item and bid history page. Please note: Sellers will still be able to view the actual User IDs for bidders on their listings through the Bid History page.
Also, please understand that to protect our Community, eBay reserves the right to change this masking algorithm in the future, but will only do so if absolutely necessary and with advance notice. We expect to add more enhancements in the future, although our intent is to move cautiously so we can ensure we’re preserving safety.

For more information read the following workshop discussion:
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As always, we appreciate your support and feedback, and look forward to further improvements to your buyer experience.

Sincerely,

Evan Liang
Buyer Experience
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Sep 11, 2007 9:04 AM
Actually I think the word "caused" is not the correct word.

this business model was naive and has caused enabled much of the fraud that plagues eBay today.

Surely knowing that these issues enable much of the fraud on their unsuspecting users, eBay will diligently work to correct these security issues to really protect their users and not be complicit in the fraud.
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Sep 11, 2007 12:24 PM
Except in cases of identity theft:

If eBay required a credit card for any account and used the AVS verification, nobody could get through without their address being confirmed as the billing address for their credit card. While it would not be effective in the case of stolen credit card numbers, the user could be required to give the three-digit number from the back of the card for verification that they have the card in hand.

This still wouldn't stop the identity theft people, but I think it would cut down tremendously on the fake accounts.

If eBay would go further and mail a login key device to the address given and require it be used rather than just a regular login, that would also help a lot. Thieves could not log in if they gave the address of the owner of the credit card to get verified at registration, and credit card owners would be alerted to the fact that someone is using their information.

I'm going to copy/paste this to Tiptie's thread.



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Sep 12, 2007 5:26 AM
Wayy back in 1999 when I first started selling my baseball cards on ebay. I had to use my dad's credit card to open an account. Why don't they require that anymore?

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Sep 12, 2007 8:21 AM
To start selling they do still require a credit card but that seems to be only to have a way to charge their fees. It is way too easy to create accounts with false information and credit cards and set up shop to defraud users. Since you used your dad's credit card, I suspect that you could have also used a stolen one and they don't validate it to be a person who can be held responsible for his activities on the site. Once you have set up your seller account, eBay does not validate when you log in that you are who you say you are.

If a scammer creates a fake account or if he gets your eBay ID and password, he can hijack your account or simply log in to his fake account to post thousands of fraudulent auctions filled with phishing links and malicious code. EBay doesn't validate that the login came from East Slobovia instead of your valid home IP (which should be a big red flag) and seems to just posts listings without even a cursory scanning for fraudulent links and code.
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Sep 12, 2007 4:10 PM
If eBay would go further and mail a login key device to the address given and require it be used rather than just a regular login, that would also help a lot.

Never gonna happen nor should it. eBay already has the security key available but if they make it mandatory their business would plummet. It's just too big an inconvenience having to have the key fob with you every time you want to use eBay. It also would mean you would have to wait a few days before you could start using eBay. And the cost of sending the key fob to every one of the millions of users would be extreme. And of course all of the sniping services would go out of business though I think eBay would count that as a plus.
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Sep 12, 2007 6:06 PM
I vote NO, on this idea to hide the ID of bidders. Just like the crap using Bidder 1, Bidder 2 , ect. This helps hide the crooks on E-Bay. It makes it impossible for the Honest E-Bay bidders to help police E-Bay. It only helps CROOKED Bidders, and sellers to hide, and Helps E-Bay's Profit. I have bought high dollar items many times. No one is hideing in the bushes to steal it from the US postal service, Fedx, or UPS ect.
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Sep 12, 2007 6:54 PM
Evan Liang
FEEDBACK SCORE (6)
6 feedbacks are you kidding me?
How long a member?
Rob Ches(nut) is he a member?
I would like to see at least a 200, as the Feedback and a rating of 95%, To be on e-Bay's Buyer Experience Team
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Sep 12, 2007 10:49 PM
If he only has 6 feedback does that mean he only gets 10 posts per day? B-)


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Sep 16, 2007 7:50 PM
When will anyone notice that it is not only SMI masking a competitive "bidders" I.D. we have to wonder about now that we are being "protected" so well from safegaurding our own interests...but when you bid, and also enter a maximum bid, what is to stop ebay itself from "bidding" against you?? It certainly wouldnt be detectable or provable, and what is to stop them? It certainly wouldnt be the increased profit they will be making....and brilliantly so....all without jeopardy of discovery.. Pretty Sleezy and to me...FN.... OBVIOUS a possibility and easily and most profitably a most incredible motive. What are we going to do about this? Nothing unless we do it together as a team and revolt against this money monster that is going to eat us all, if we dont bring it down together, to size, or make it our servant not our master. Can anyone raise a hand in willingness to stand up for yourself and more importantly ourselves as a team and UNITE? Dont we pay enough already? Hasnt ebay made enough money off everyone ??? It is freakin insatiable. Or do all stand alone.?
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Sep 16, 2007 8:31 PM
Paranoia strikes deep...

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Sep 16, 2007 8:40 PM
what is to stop ebay itself from "bidding" against you??

bennervalues,

When you place a bid, all eBay does it take your proxy bid and compare it to another bidder’s proxy bid. eBay then displays the current bid at no more than one bid increment above the underbidder’s bid in no reserve price auctions.

In the past, when a bidder was leading by less than one bid increment and bid again, eBay raised the bidder’s bid to the full increment. There was a lawsuit about eBay raising a bidder’s bid against himself and now when a bidder raises his bid when he’s already the high bidder, the current price will stay the same unless challenged by another bid.

What you are suggesting in your post is, IMO, laughable. How is eBay going to decide which of the millions and millions of auctions IT is going to shill? Think about IT.

What are we going to do about this?

About what? About SMI? About your ludicrous suspicions about eBay “bidding” against you?

Can anyone raise a hand in willingness to stand up for yourself and more importantly ourselves as a team and UNITE?

Say what? It is eBay’s playground and eBay gets to set the rules. If we don’t like them, we don’t have to stay here and play. If the rules suck so bad that it hurts eBay’s bottom line, then, eBay might change some of its rules with the goal of making more money as its prime objective.

Dont we pay enough already?

Are you a seller complaining about fees? If so, then you need to have a closer look at your business since in the end, it is your paying customers who are paying your bills, including the money paid to eBay. If in the end, the money is coming out of your own pocket and not out of your gross profits before your net profits, then you’re better off financially doing something else than selling on eBay, IMO.

As far as I’m concerned, eBay will keep raising its fees for its services just as your telephone company does for its services, just as your utility company does for its services, just as landlords increase their rents from time to time, and so on.

Hasnt ebay made enough money off everyone ???

Nope. Have any of the giant oil companies made “enough” money off its consumers of its products?

It is freakin insatiable.

Yeah, a capitalistic business really sucks, doesn’t it?

Or do all stand alone.?

That can work since only you have your best interests in mind, right? As a bidder, I certainly don’t believe eBay has my interests in mind with this SMI BS.

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Sep 17, 2007 1:27 AM
Wow!*&!!!! what are you an ebay employee?? Certainly got your goat didnt I. Wow, it would be totally impossible for anyone with a reason to profit from something like this... to take advantage of it!, No way in your perfect world. I am suggesting that you pull your head out and stop defending. Me thinks She doth protest too much.

Whoa, Nelly..It's that time of the month for me too!

Watch out all you freethinking folk, be sure you dont ask questions, or question authority or anything. Especially with Golden Goose here, she really protects her own with a vengeance.
What do you have a problem with? The mere thought? The audacity? The raised eyebrow? Or just the whole inconcievable notion of greed being universal and all encompassing, in everything ebay does, and taking extreme precedence in every decision made. For our safety and security of course.
Why are you making a scene though? Does it scare you to hear my legitimate concerns? Or just the fact that I made it in a public forum for any and all to see. Do I think I wont be a target now for the ebay suspension team hit squad? Well I have always worn out my welcome with random precision. What is your main offense to my comments made here, me raising a topic, or suggesting that R friend -ebay, (and I spell it that way on purpose,) only cares about its own interests!? Oh my god!how absurd! What a zany, gosh darn diddly ass notion that is!.... Impossible! Inconceivable.
Get real lady. Mother goose, or E-Bayonette... Whoever you are. Gee wally Who's side are you on? DUH its so hard to figure you out. At least your loyalty is as transparent as your very soul is as likely to be. Sorry if you take offense to that. That was simply a quote from someone called U*lying*** Not to worry I am sorry, I am sure your a really nice lady.
Hey! since it is my last day...anyone else Notice our buddy with only 6 transactions, Even Lying? our fearless experience d' leader (deleter) buyer experience extraordinaire? He has count em a token 6 whole FB! Hes our representing **** whos been a member since, like, yesterday, who is the "leader" of the buyer experience team,!
(-To Me) its kind of funny how his name,- when pronounced literally... is Even Lying. Or, -even better, elying.
Is he your boss?
Even Lying -Buyer Experience director of whatever lie being spun. Fun E
Its almost as good as having our National war department General on television.. (who we never heard of before...) on television and broadcasting to the world... a person we are expected to just trust, and take his word for it.... even though he comes from out of nowhere! and wearing a suit that doesnt seem to really fit him properly! and looks like hes wearing it for the first time ever!
HIS name, when literally pronounced is BetrayUS. Must be just a couple of good ole cosmic jokes, I guess.... that ole universe!!!
Just in case your all wondering (if I ever expect to be anything but something for ebay employees to throw darts at, on ebay, or work anywhere again.. ever,

especially not after these most traitorially aligned statements of concern,
Just so you know, and FYI...I will be returning to my 3 weeks out of the month self, shortly. I will undoubtedly see much less conspiracy theory in everything then.
So rebuttal babes, -No need to go postal, medieval or spaz out. It was just something I thought would be obvious, perhaps to others, who see the possibility like like I do, with this new enhanced system of B.S.
May have less inclination for confrontation or their own personal financial demise, than do I. Perhaps I am not the only one thinking what Im thinking. Or, in other words, for those of you who have a more enhance sense of self preservation, requires that they think it, but remain silent. Rock On! Obvious, that this COULD, might, lend the possiblily to? maybe in the real world happen, like it is obvious to me. (The potential POSSIBILITY.) I am with you and stand beside you.
Yeah, I understand how my bid is raised, I am not in need of a diversionary tactically obtuse distraction from the point, lesson. What I know to be/ is more important to me, though, is by who, or whom is the raising / bidding agianst me, being done? Know thy enemy. With the no transparency "enhancement", who the enemy of my enemy is, cant be my freind! I want to know the thing bidding against me is a real person, not an entity. Person, entity, thing, ... apparently you already know... otherwise why the hostility? Got a few little greedy grabber hatchlings of ebays nesting beneath you?
Yeah I have had enough of ebay and expect the worst now, that I have spoken out re: the truth as no one wants to see it, or the balls enough to admit it. OUT LOUD.
So, "If your not paranoid,... your not paranoid ENOUGH!"
P.s. This is just a catch phrase from the X- files...

OVER AND OUT Y"ALL.
For me, this Game is over, Im done. Unless thee out there, are over whelmed with reality check, and overcome with bravery, perhaps unsophisticated enough to be unafraid of revolutionary action, You go first but Ill be right behind you. I will fight the good fight, just dont want to stand alone against a Goliath.
Got a problem with that?.... Gobbler? Speak up, N FREAK OUT some more.
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Sep 17, 2007 1:50 AM
Oh My God Widjits for idjiuts. You, I know work for ebay, and apparently consider us lowly ebay sellers and buyers beneath you. So superior is your O FB intellect. You would never stood to actual USE ebay. Nobody in ebays upper echelon would.._Right? Or at least ever admit it. As is evidenced by your handle. You are ebay employee I know I saw a link to your idiots handle on even lyings page. Are you his alter ego? Evil twin? Self .?
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Sep 17, 2007 1:55 AM
ps to actually have your idiot opinion count, here try doing us all a favor and get some selling experience first. Then you will begin t understand, comprehend you idiot *** my middle finger to you.
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Sep 17, 2007 2:39 AM
bennervalues,

Please go and reread what you wrote in post 49:

but when you bid, and also enter a maximum bid, what is to stop ebay itself from "bidding" against you??

I’m not defending eBay. Since you came up with such an idea of eBay itself bidding against you, what do you have to back it up?

Whoa, Nelly..It's that time of the month for me too!

Well, I’m glad your friend visits you every month. I can’t say that I have such friends. . . .

Does it scare you to hear my legitimate concerns?

Please direct me to your “legitimate concerns”. I didn’t see any in your post.

Or just the fact that I made it in a public forum for any and all to see.

Why are you so upset? If you make a fool of yourself in a public forum for everyone to see, that’s not my problem.

Get real lady. Mother goose, or E-Bayonette... Whoever you are. Gee wally Who's side are you on? DUH its so hard to figure you out. At least your loyalty is as transparent as your very soul is as likely to be. Sorry if you take offense to that. That was simply a quote from someone called U*lying*** Not to worry I am sorry, I am sure your a really nice lady.

Hey, don’t hold back now, bennervalues. I really needed a good laugh. And I’m sure the posters (and especially, the lurkers) here also have had a good laugh.

Is he your boss?

You’re asking me if Evan Liang is my boss? Oh my, this is goin’ to hurt.

Just so you know, and FYI...I will be returning to my 3 weeks out of the month self, shortly. I will undoubtedly see much less conspiracy theory in everything then.

Hey, I didn’t ask you to volunteer such personal information about your “friend” but hey, whatever gets you through your period.

So rebuttal babes, -No need to go postal, medieval or spaz out.

I don’t need to “go postal, medieval or spaz out”. You’re doing such a bloody good job of it.

Yeah I have had enough of ebay and expect the worst now, that I have spoken out re: the truth as no one wants to see it, or the balls enough to admit it. OUT LOUD.

Well, apparently you haven’t read the thread with over 4,500 posts about how much people hate SMI.

ps to actually have your idiot opinion count, here try doing us all a favor and get some selling experience first. Then you will begin t understand, comprehend you idiot *** my middle finger to you.

I keep wanting eBay to provide me with an Avoided Sellers Schedule but does eBay listen to me?

Bless your heart, bennervalues.

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