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If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
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If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 18, 2012 09:45 AM
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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(24 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 18, 2012 05:56 PM
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If anybody anywhere wants Blair they are more than welcome to him - we certainly don't want him back.
Unless we can find something we can prosecute him for. Then I'd welcome the chance to put him in the cell next to his banking buddies.
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A preoccupation with the next world is a clear indication of an inability to cope credibly with this one.
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(25 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 18, 2012 08:33 PM
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ccube: He does have a point from his perspective. Think about Government Motors, GE and the big banks that were given our money, also Freddie and Fannie. They are still going concerns thanks to someone giveing them large chunks of money. Government made them happen.
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(26 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 18, 2012 08:39 PM
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yeah, right
You mean Barry violated the U.S. Constitution without a quibble from the other two spineless branches of guvamint, so that he could prop up GM and Chrysler and leave the investors holding an empty sack while the unions got big returns on their support in 2008.
Next time I have to clean the tiolet, I'd like Barry to come over and help, since he wants to take credit for my work.
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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(27 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 18, 2012 10:40 PM
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(28 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 19, 2012 06:36 AM
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"Cudos to McCain ...."
Right. His PC nonsense caused him to be defeated by a inept marxist Poverty Pimp in 2008 and he's still at it.
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(29 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 19, 2012 07:04 AM
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socrates349 wrote:
"Cudos to McCain ...."
Right. His PC nonsense caused him to be defeated by a inept marxist Poverty Pimp in 2008 and he's still at it.
...and his declaration a month before the election that America "would not leave Iraq without a full victory."
Bang went the foot.
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(30 of 76)
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Jul 19, 2012 08:57 AM
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Ebay needs a new CEO.
Think McCain is available?
Life begins at the end of your comfort Zone.
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(31 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 19, 2012 11:17 AM
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Back to the OP: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
It's a mistake to separate success (i.e., a functioning business) from initiative and credit a business' success primarily on outside factors.
I like this quote from publicist Michael Levine, "Any fool with a plan beats a wandering genius."
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(32 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 19, 2012 11:50 AM
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"Any fool with a plan beats a wandering genius."
Ain't that the truth!
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(33 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 19, 2012 05:06 PM
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Jul 19, 2012 10:14 PM
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"Whether it's a symphony or a coal mine, all work is an act of creating and comes from the same source: from an inviolate capacity to see through one's own eyes–which means: the capacity to perform a rational identification–which means: the capacity to see, to connect and to make what had not been seen, connected and made before."
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(35 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 06:16 PM
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"all work is an act of creating"
only if you first accept a socialist/Marxist definition of creating, and then ignore that the amount of creativity involved spans so many orders of magnitude as to make comparison between the ends of the scale meaningless
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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(36 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 06:28 PM
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John Kass has a pretty good rebuttal in the chicago Tribuen:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0718-20120718,0,2313230.column
finishing with:
Obama's changed. Gone is that young knight drawing the sword from the stone, selling Hopium to the adoring media, preaching an end to the broken politics of the past. These days, he wears a new presidential persona: the multimillionaire with the Chicago clout, playing the class warrior, fighting for that second term.
And he offers an American dream much different from my father's. Open your eyes and you can see it too. He stands there at the front of the mob, in his shirt sleeves, swinging that government hammer, exhorting the crowd to use its votes and take what it wants.
But I disagree with the idea that Obama has changed. John, it's not that you didn't look hard enough, you and a lot of other people just didn't bother to look.
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 06:41 PM
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cornercube wrote:"all work is an act of creating"
only if you first accept a socialist/Marxist definition of creating, and then ignore that the amount of creativity involved spans so many orders of magnitude as to make comparison between the ends of the scale meaningless
So, Mr Cube, Ayn Rand is a " socialist/Marxist" now...
I see...
Okey dokey, thanks for clearing that up for us!
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 06:55 PM
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And here is Ayn Rand's brilliant rejoinder to Obama's ideology of ressentiment and class envy (written 46 years before the noxious speech cited in the original post):
" Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions—and you’ll learn that man’s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.
But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced."
(from Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal)
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 07:10 PM
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An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced."
I suspect, then, that the majority of us are dishonest... Wendy
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 07:15 PM
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lux-et-umbra
The thing about taking quotes out of context is that they often don't stand on their own.
And in spite of that one being taken out of context by many others before you, it does not encapsulate the discussion from which it was taken. When Barry Longyear complained of the then-current fashion—which continues to this day—of books being sold "by the pound", my second thought was of Ayn Rand. I've enjoyed reading her books, but Atlas Shrugged is not a string of pearls but an ore body with an occasional nugget.
Here is a quote that does capture the context, and illustrates part of the problem with yours:
"You can gain experience, if you do not fall into empty redundancy. Do not fall into the error of the artisan who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft while in fact he has had only one year of experience – twenty times. And never resent the advantage of experience your elders have. Recall that they have paid for this experience in the coin of life and have emptied a purse that cannot be refilled.”
—Trevanianm Shibumi, p109
The reductio ad absurdum of Mr. Halley's statement is that ants are creative, and that Mr. Turing set the bar much too high.
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 07:19 PM
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rotfl
I should have waited—you've proved it by showing a contradictory quote from Rand herself
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 07:19 PM
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"Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. "
Ayn Rand - confusing "honest" and "motivated" since the fall of the Tsarist autocracy.
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 09:56 PM
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cornercube,
You are fighting strawmen ... again. My post was not intended to defend the 'creativity' quote, neither did it express my agreement with (any part of) the said quote. What was intended was to object to meaningless namecalling and kneejerk labelling. There are enough people out there giving conservatism a bad name without your help, thank you...
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(44 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 20, 2012 10:28 PM
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fine.books wrote:
Ayn Rand - confusing "honest" and "motivated" since the fall of the Tsarist autocracy.
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"Money is made—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every motivated man, each to the extent of his ability. "
Here... fixed it for ya! 
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(45 of 76)
Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 21, 2012 02:40 AM
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lux-et-umbra wrote:
Damned straight there are. The Conservatives for starters. There's a whole bunch of them in our House of Commons that we'd love you to take in if you like them that much.
We'll even pay their fares there.
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 21, 2012 02:44 AM
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Sorry about that - seems I mucked up the quote function somehow.
Lux-et-Umbra didn't say that, I did in response to:
'There are enough people out there giving conservatism a bad name without your help, thank you...'
Lux-et-Umbra did say that.
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Re: If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
Jul 21, 2012 07:40 AM
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lus-et-umbra
You posted an extremely poor quote and did so without attribution. That doing so adds to any discussion or enhances your own cred is only true in your own mind.
Google and Wikipedia are not substitutes for education or intelligence.
—cornercube, 2009
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