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Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)

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Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 4, 2005 08:11 PM

What follows is only the briefest sort of presentation of a very complex subject, put forth for the use of beginners in the book trade, whether they be sellers or collectors. I make no attempt here at completeness or absolute authority ( I may err on some details... some, moreknowledgeable than i may snicker at omissions ... please feel free to make corrections).
These are just some thoughts of my own presented as a result of answering a question on another thread about the copy of Lucille shown below. I include my answer (and the OP's picture from that thread) as a jumping off point. I present this as a sort of preliminary and recommendation to all to continue further on their own in this subject.

It is a good idea, if one is setting out to collect or sell books, to familiarize oneself with the development of bindings, as they developed through the nineteenth and early twentieth century. It is really a most interesting subject to tackle and whatever one learns about the subject can only help in ones collecting and selling endeavors. There have been many queries posted to the book board questioning the age of books which people come across. One cannot expect a person who has not trained in the field nor gained knowledge through experience in that field to have this sort of knowledge, yet anyone who takes it upon themselves to sell or collect books would benefit by a study of this area. If you love books, then you may find it a pleasant activity.
Bindings have changed quite a bit through the course of two centuries, and a great many methods of binding have been used. Binding material has included paper, leather, boards (paper-covered, pressed boards), cloth, silk , wood, metal....all of these things, and more, have been used tomake the bindings of books.
Mass publishing changed the manner in which books were presented to the buying public. Each advance in printing and binding science produced changes in the manner in which publishers clothed their wares (early on publisher and printer were often one and the same).
I am not going to talk about leather bindings, nor small press bindings, nor am I going to address the earlier period when a book was printed and the prospective owner chose their own armorial binding for a book. I am only going to speak of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and then only about those bindings which were given to the books by the actual publishers. I am not necessarily going to stay in chronological sequence.
As you see below the first book up was published in the late nineteenth century.It is a solid cloth binding with machine-pressed title and decoration. It is an excellent example of what is known as a trade binding (or a publisher's trade binding). As ornate as the binding seems, there were thousands of this title issued in this very binding. It is machine tooled, or rather stamped. This specimen is exceptional in mainly one way...the colors have not faded at all (or very little). Although one can tell that it has seen use (dinged edges, slightly shaken signatures and a slight spine slant) it, nonetheless, still beckons brightly to the reader. These books were meant to be read, but they were also meant to be used as decorative touches in a room. The general Victorian populus, in large part (there were exceptions) , loved elaborate ornamentation, and with books and their bindings we frequently see some of the most elaborately embellished objects. Like Mother Nature, Victorian's seemed to abhor vacuums and thus filled up all the possible space on a binding. The binding below is not even, by a far stretch, the most elaborate, but it is a very nice example.


This copy is contemporary with the dated inscription on the front endpaper (FEP) [there is, on he other thread a view of the inscription]. Publisher's Trade Bindings such as this were common for the times, but despite the pretty surface, were often constructed of inferior materials and frequently had fragile joints, where a "frugality" in the use of thread and proper backing, due in part to the rapidity with which they were manufactured, unfortunately contributed to a rapid demise in the structural integrity of the book. This specimen has survived with its color and gold embellishment nicely preserved. Just think how colorful the book shelves would have been in a typical low income but bookish household.
Meself... I am partial to the products of that age.
This book has a nominal value, mostly depending on its condition, which here is, considering the materials involved and the subsequent unavoidable action of time, very good, at least for its exterior. (Has some scrapes and edge dings, slight erosion to spine extremities, and a decided spine lean to the front which would put it as the normal used copy in good plus ... but the brightness of the colors and gold offset this so that one looks with charity on the copy which elevates it to very good (some may disagree as this sort of grading is completely subjective).... this, of course, dependent on examination of the interior...hoping that the paper is not too brittle and that there are not too many of the smudges which seem to appear at the foot of the title-page. Signatures do not seem to be shaken badly... are the hinges cracked at the ends?...)
There are people who collect every extent variation of this title. It is, one might say an historical marker of sorts in book publishing ... or , I should say, a sort of yearly touchstone, as there were so many different editions of Lucille issued by various publishers through the years...some publishers had several different versions of the title issued all in the same year. Do a google search for "The Lucille Project".
I think that should bring up some interesting information, not just on Lucille, but on various publishers as well.
This is a good book to hone your descriptive abilities as goes condition and content. It is always a challenge to obtain a better price for Lucille. How far can you chat this copy up? Once it was of the most widely read books, now you will be lucky to find a handful of people who have read it (a real tragedy...love confused and lost and all forlorn ..Victorian bathos at its most unflinching.) Chances are whomever buys this is buying it for the binding...but I would like to think they would give the story a try.
Just another thought. It is my own predilection to consider previous owner's signatures and inscriptions not as defects but as provenance. So that in describing any faults to the endpapers, such would be noted. But the inscription would be a separate notation, as an indicator of age &c. and not a fault. Maybe as we move further into the world of modern collecting , such things become less desirable. Again, this is a subjective sort of preference.
The American News Company was a huge conglomerate and notorious for not dating their books. This was common practice and so one is thrown back on an analysis of the binding, the presence of inscriptions (even if not dated, the nature of the ink and the style of the hand will often tell), and the presence of publisher's lists in the front or rear of the book , if they exist .... Always a handy thing to have in mind or nearby in reference is the date which various books appeared on the market...so that if you see an ad for book ABC in a copy of book XYZ and you know ABC was not published until after XYZ had already been out ... well... such things are good indicators.
As a matter of fact, in another thread, Hospital Sketches by Louisa May Alcott is being discussed, and one of the points for the first edition of that book is the presence or not and location of a particular publisher's ad.... so these sorts of details in a book, often overlooked, are good indicators for determining the date and or precedence of a printing.
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Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)

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Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 4, 2005 08:11 PM

What follows is only the briefest sort of presentation of a very complex subject, put forth for the use of beginners in the book trade, whether they be sellers or collectors. I make no attempt here at completeness or absolute authority ( I may err on some details... some, moreknowledgeable than i may snicker at omissions ... please feel free to make corrections).
These are just some thoughts of my own presented as a result of answering a question on another thread about the copy of Lucille shown below. I include my answer (and the OP's picture from that thread) as a jumping off point. I present this as a sort of preliminary and recommendation to all to continue further on their own in this subject.

It is a good idea, if one is setting out to collect or sell books, to familiarize oneself with the development of bindings, as they developed through the nineteenth and early twentieth century. It is really a most interesting subject to tackle and whatever one learns about the subject can only help in ones collecting and selling endeavors. There have been many queries posted to the book board questioning the age of books which people come across. One cannot expect a person who has not trained in the field nor gained knowledge through experience in that field to have this sort of knowledge, yet anyone who takes it upon themselves to sell or collect books would benefit by a study of this area. If you love books, then you may find it a pleasant activity.
Bindings have changed quite a bit through the course of two centuries, and a great many methods of binding have been used. Binding material has included paper, leather, boards (paper-covered, pressed boards), cloth, silk , wood, metal....all of these things, and more, have been used tomake the bindings of books.
Mass publishing changed the manner in which books were presented to the buying public. Each advance in printing and binding science produced changes in the manner in which publishers clothed their wares (early on publisher and printer were often one and the same).
I am not going to talk about leather bindings, nor small press bindings, nor am I going to address the earlier period when a book was printed and the prospective owner chose their own armorial binding for a book. I am only going to speak of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and then only about those bindings which were given to the books by the actual publishers. I am not necessarily going to stay in chronological sequence.
As you see below the first book up was published in the late nineteenth century.It is a solid cloth binding with machine-pressed title and decoration. It is an excellent example of what is known as a trade binding (or a publisher's trade binding). As ornate as the binding seems, there were thousands of this title issued in this very binding. It is machine tooled, or rather stamped. This specimen is exceptional in mainly one way...the colors have not faded at all (or very little). Although one can tell that it has seen use (dinged edges, slightly shaken signatures and a slight spine slant) it, nonetheless, still beckons brightly to the reader. These books were meant to be read, but they were also meant to be used as decorative touches in a room. The general Victorian populus, in large part (there were exceptions) , loved elaborate ornamentation, and with books and their bindings we frequently see some of the most elaborately embellished objects. Like Mother Nature, Victorian's seemed to abhor vacuums and thus filled up all the possible space on a binding. The binding below is not even, by a far stretch, the most elaborate, but it is a very nice example.


This copy is contemporary with the dated inscription on the front endpaper (FEP) [there is, on he other thread a view of the inscription]. Publisher's Trade Bindings such as this were common for the times, but despite the pretty surface, were often constructed of inferior materials and frequently had fragile joints, where a "frugality" in the use of thread and proper backing, due in part to the rapidity with which they were manufactured, unfortunately contributed to a rapid demise in the structural integrity of the book. This specimen has survived with its color and gold embellishment nicely preserved. Just think how colorful the book shelves would have been in a typical low income but bookish household.
Meself... I am partial to the products of that age.
This book has a nominal value, mostly depending on its condition, which here is, considering the materials involved and the subsequent unavoidable action of time, very good, at least for its exterior. (Has some scrapes and edge dings, slight erosion to spine extremities, and a decided spine lean to the front which would put it as the normal used copy in good plus ... but the brightness of the colors and gold offset this so that one looks with charity on the copy which elevates it to very good (some may disagree as this sort of grading is completely subjective).... this, of course, dependent on examination of the interior...hoping that the paper is not too brittle and that there are not too many of the smudges which seem to appear at the foot of the title-page. Signatures do not seem to be shaken badly... are the hinges cracked at the ends?...)
There are people who collect every extent variation of this title. It is, one might say an historical marker of sorts in book publishing ... or , I should say, a sort of yearly touchstone, as there were so many different editions of Lucille issued by various publishers through the years...some publishers had several different versions of the title issued all in the same year. Do a google search for "The Lucille Project".
I think that should bring up some interesting information, not just on Lucille, but on various publishers as well.
This is a good book to hone your descriptive abilities as goes condition and content. It is always a challenge to obtain a better price for Lucille. How far can you chat this copy up? Once it was of the most widely read books, now you will be lucky to find a handful of people who have read it (a real tragedy...love confused and lost and all forlorn ..Victorian bathos at its most unflinching.) Chances are whomever buys this is buying it for the binding...but I would like to think they would give the story a try.
Just another thought. It is my own predilection to consider previous owner's signatures and inscriptions not as defects but as provenance. So that in describing any faults to the endpapers, such would be noted. But the inscription would be a separate notation, as an indicator of age &c. and not a fault. Maybe as we move further into the world of modern collecting , such things become less desirable. Again, this is a subjective sort of preference.
The American News Company was a huge conglomerate and notorious for not dating their books. This was common practice and so one is thrown back on an analysis of the binding, the presence of inscriptions (even if not dated, the nature of the ink and the style of the hand will often tell), and the presence of publisher's lists in the front or rear of the book , if they exist .... Always a handy thing to have in mind or nearby in reference is the date which various books appeared on the market...so that if you see an ad for book ABC in a copy of book XYZ and you know ABC was not published until after XYZ had already been out ... well... such things are good indicators.
As a matter of fact, in another thread, Hospital Sketches by Louisa May Alcott is being discussed, and one of the points for the first edition of that book is the presence or not and location of a particular publisher's ad.... so these sorts of details in a book, often overlooked, are good indicators for determining the date and or precedence of a printing.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 4, 2005 09:29 PM


1823 0n he left, and 1838 on the right.
The two books pictured above represent two examples of early nineteenth century bindings as supplied by publishers.
The book on the left is what is called a board binding. The book on right is ...yes... a paperback. Many people think that paperbacks are an invention of the twentieth century. But books have been issued as early as the eighteenth century by publishers with paper covers. Now the intent, at first, may have been different... eighteenth century books were often issued by a publisher with a plain wrap... loosely sewn and rather thin paper covers...the thickness varied... these were meant to be replaced by more substantial bindings which the purchaser of the book would choose. Wealthy clients of publishers frequently had all of their books done up in the same binding... possibly a nice morocco leather with an armorial design tooled into the leather. Frequently books were issued in stiff boards. These boards were constructed of pressed materials (think rough card-board-like) and then covered with paper. ( Sometime the covers were actually made of paper-covered wood...oak was favored) The spines were sometimes covered with the same paper, or another, differently-coloredpaper. Eventually thin cloth became commonly used on spines. The specimen above on the left is made of grey boards, backed by paper on the spines. The book is sewn. Sometimes a title was printed on the spine, more often it was not. The book here pictured had no title printed either on the front board or on the spine. This book is dated 1823 on the title page. Its format is quite common. This was how a great many books looked at the end of the eighteenth century and well into the nineteenth century. The colors of the paper used to cover the boards varied, but the most common colors were grey, such as this book, and a washed out blue. One of the most famous of this sort of binding was the little Speller that Noah Webster first published in 1793 in New hartford, It is commonly called the Blue-Back Speller, due to its binding. Thousands of school children used schoolbooks that looked identical with the book shown above. But this sort of binding was not reserved only for the lowly school book, but was, in fact, widely used for just about any sort of book published. Keep in mind that it was not the only sort of binding from that period. Eventually publishers began to regularly print the title on the spine and/or the front cover. it is a common thing to see a board book with the title printed on the front cover, looking much like the little paperback shown to the right above. Cloth and leather were also used to cover the spines. This paperback was printed in France in 1838...the date and full title are printed right on the cover. Similar books were issued in America. It is a true paperback and the cover is just as issued by the publisher. In the trade, paperback covers are called wrappers ~ wraps for short. This is not a term that really describes the cover of a paperback, but has come into long usage... in The Bookman's Glossary by John A. Holden ( Bowker 1925) wrapper is defined as the same as dust-jacket...which usage I prefer, but in the modern world when you see wraps it is generally a paperback that is being described. So we have a lowly paperback published in 1838 (there are earlier ones!) which is ... a true paperback. The covers are purposely made of different paper than the paper on which the text is printed ( a rag paper, hand-made). This paperback has the title printed on the spine. If the book was not dated, one would have to examine the paper and the typography of the book to determine its age. The text inside seems stereotyped ( a French invention), even though it is not identified as such. Sometimes one will see books from this period, and earlier, which announced on the title-page, 'Stereotyped by...' but often not. The subject of stereotypes is a whole topic of its own. This little paperback is actually part of a series (Nouvelle Bibliotèque des Classiques français) and presents a very popular novel of the day : Elisabeth; or The Exiles of Siberia. Its small size ensured it would fit in a purse or pocket (3 3/4" x 5 3/4" which approximates what is called 24mo). This paperback is observably plain...possibly it was still thought that someone might dress it up in a grander binding. but I think it just grand as it is, that it has survived the passing years in its original state. And one cannot deny that these old board books were plain janes... but I admit (once again!) to being taken by their simple charm... they are relics and somehow capture for me the flavor of the times much more than a fancy leather binding. I would much rather have a copy of Precaution; A Novel by James Fenimore Cooper in the original boards than rebound in fancy leather. (Published anonymously : New York, 1820, two volumes, boards, with errata sheet bound in ...thus would read the catalog). Precaution was Cooper's first book, and is worth considerably more in the original, dull-looking boards than in rebound copies.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 4, 2005 10:11 PM
boodust Thanks for sharing. Glad to see you posting again.


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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 4, 2005 11:29 PM
Yes, good to read a Boodust post
Thank you
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 01:04 AM


1839
Early in the nineteenth century publishers began to experiment with cloth bindings. many of the early cloth bindings that one finds look as if they were modeled after the old board bindings. Shown above is a two volume issue of The Sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon, Gent. . This early edition was published in 1839 by Lea and Blanchard, in Philadelphia. On the title page is announced "New Edition." This appears in the Bibliography of American Literature (BAL) as item # 10320. Despite the rather eroded or effaced appearance of the title labels on the spines, I consider this to be a sterling example of its type. Again we are presented with a binding supplied by the publisher. This type of cloth binding was common from the late twenties through the early forties... In this case it consists of a very thin, sized cloth , dyed a deep slate green. It has an almost silky feel, but you cansee that the publisher has given no thought to decorating the book...we have not yet entered the Victorian Age. I could certainly wish that the labels were not so eroded, and displayed clearly, but such ,alas is not the case. In presentation for auction , one would have to describe the condition of the labels, as well as the frayed nature of the head and foot of the spine (the extremities); other faults noticed would be bumped corners with attendant splitting of the cloth fibers and a moderately rubbed surface with scattered sundry small spotsand scrapes. Now it might seem that such detailed delineation of a books faults would work to the detriment of a sale, but I assure you that ... and this is from observation of buyers habits ... a collector would rather that you have laid all of the sad peculiarities of a particular copy, rather than be dissapointed upon receiving a book that did not meet expectations. So we look at this set and think my, my it seems somewhat tired.... it is foxed all through the interior... But this is, thankfully not a book for auction, but an old friend through which awkward hoops I will not push it. Half way through the book Irving penned some words that I often think could equally well apply to my library and the books within it: "What then is to insure this pile, which now towers above me, from sharing the mightier mausoleums? The time must come when its gilded vaults, which now spring so loftily, shall be in rubbish beneath the feet; when, instead of the sound of melody and praise, the wind shall whistle through the broken arches, and the owl hoot from the shattered tower .... Thus man passes away; his name perishes from record and recollection; his history is as a tale that is told, and his very monument becomes a ruin."
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 05:40 AM
Mighty boodust, Welcome back from your sojourn!
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 05:56 AM
Thanks boodust for a delightful synopsis on the topic "19th Cnetury Bindings and Publishings"
Meself being also partial to the product :)
Thanks again
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 06:09 AM
I don't have time right now to read the whole posting. However I am with you Putzi, the time period of the above book "Lucile" has many beautiful bindings.

The best part is that so many have little monitory value... if you are looking for cheap, beautiful, decorative covers this is your era!
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 06:29 AM
boodust - thank you so much for explaining these bindings in such detail, with good scans as examples. Hard to find that sort of helpful information all in one sitting! I sell quite a few of these old books, and now my descriptions will be better. "Spine slant" will be much better than my "the book does not sit straight"!
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 07:18 AM
Great thread, boo - thanks for sharing your time & experience.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 07:38 AM
boodust: I bookmarked it for the later reading. It looks detailed and absorbing.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 08:44 AM
Wonderful material, clearly written. Thanks, boodust!
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 10:50 AM

The Song of Hiawatha
1856
As the nineteenth century progressed, it was not just leather bindings upon which embellishments were lavished. Publishers began to realize the marketing value of attractive packaging. A book's packaging is its binding. Hence along side the the plain janes of the early part of the century one started to see cloth bindings with impressed designs. Embellishments became more complex. Boards would frequently have the borders along the edges imprinted with geometric designs. Sometimes these were quite simple, and at times a complexity entered into the design to a degree that the poor book seemed burdened by its cover. These designs were either impressed into the cloth with no color, leaving behind a depressed design which, considering the lack of distinguishing color, could at times dramatically enhance the appeal of a plain binding, or they the impressed designs were enhanced with gold filler. Later in the century other colors were added to the binders palette. But initially gold was the material at hand. When there is an impressed design on a cover, with no added color it is called blind tooling or blind stamping. If the binder impressed the designs by hand with tools, it is blind tooling; if the binder used a machine press to impart the design it is called blind stamping. By adding gold filler to the design binders were able to further enhance the binding. Like the blind-work, the gold embellishment was either gold-tooled or gold-stamped. Most high volume publishing made use of machineimpressions, both to save time and cost. The book pictured above is a superb specimen of mid-nineteenth century publisher's binding. Here is The Song of Hiawatha by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, published in Boston by Ticknor and Fields, in 1856. On the copyright page is a simple announcement of the twenty-fifth thousand. The first edition was issued in 1855. ( actually for this title, the London edition preceded the American edition, even though Longfellow was an American Author. This precedence was proven by the presence of dated publisher's ads in the book). Such a high figure as 25,000 copies in a little less than a year was a sure sign that Longfellow was widely read and purchased. This was a succesful book. The copy above displays several features which mark it as a product of its time. The covering used was a sturdy, workman-like, ribbed cloth which displays both blind-stamping and gold-stamping. This ribbing is quite common for books of the period, although one sometimes sees other patterns worked into the cloth, such as a pebbly texture or...and I have seen several examples of this ... a repeating blind-stamped floral design. On this copy of The Song of Hiawatha, the front cover has a medallion in the center thickly tooled with gold in a lovely hybrid floral/geometric, almost egg-shaped oval, with many rays extending around the edg. This is, in turn is surrounded by a blind-tooled border incorporating both geometric and celtic knots . The over-all effect is extremly attractive. The color of the cloth and the brightness of the gold have faded little through the years. this is due to the fact that the sides of the book were, naturally, kept from light by the books shelved to either side. By the way the rear cover was treated in the same manner, complete with gold medallion. the great majority of books usually continued the same decoration on the rear but only using blind-stamping, but on this book both covers are treated with gold. The ribbed texture of the cloth should not be considered as part of the blind-stamping. The spine , on the other hand has faded slightly, since it is , of course the spine which faces outward on the shelf, thus being effected by whatever light has entered the room. The binder chose to use a floral design for the spine. The central floral motif, the title and the publisher's name are all surrounded by a free-flowing border of elegant simplicity. By the way, all the edges of the book are covered in gold leaf. In the trade this is called all edges gilt, or AEG as you might see in listings or catalogs. Most frequently only the top edge was covered in gold leaf (top edgegilt, TEG). The text is elegantly printed in a fairly large type face (11point or Small Pica). For me, this is a beautiful boook, and reading from it extremely pleasurable.
From his pouch he took his colors,
Took his paints of different colors,
On the smooth bark of a birch-tree
Painted many shapes and figures,
Wonderful and mystic figures,
And each figure had a meaning,
Each some word or thought suggested.
Gitche Manito the Mighty,
He, the Master of Life, was painted
As an egg, with points projecting
To the four winds of the heavens.
Everywhere is the Great Spirit,
Was the meaning of this symbol.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 01:49 PM
Great thread, boo! Below: Charles And Cromwell; 1854, in the publisher's decorated cloth binding.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 5, 2005 02:02 PM
Lucille was one of the first 'lovely Victorian bindings' that I became familar with. It and a number of other lovely Victorian bindings were in a box at an indoor flea market.Out of a box of the many boxes of books, I picked quite a few. The seller had an unhappy look on her face when we took the pile to the register...the box was with all the other boxes at the tables and tables of $1.00 per book.

One in particular I was very pleased with the selling price was - Ivanhoe.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 05:40 AM
Fine.books BEEEAUTIFUL! WOW, love the four different colors used by the binder... I don't often see titles from that period decorated in anything other than gilt. This is a great thread, thanks. David
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 06:25 AM
Dear boodoc,

Thanks so much for your wonderful teaching thread. I have recently been selling late 19th century fiction with brightly colored, appealing boards, so I have copied down the info on that subject, and will slowly make my way (like a bookworm), digesting all of the subsequent material.

Please do MORE! MORE! MORE! You are good at it and the info goes down easily and pleasantly.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 05:07 PM
Thank you, all, for the kind words. I'll have some more stuff to put here in a bit. Maybe I will branch out a bit and talk Victoriania (book-wise, that is) in general.

fine.books ... that is a right beautiful copy. The cloth on that binding shows, for those who care, the slightly pebbly texture to which I referred earlier. It is a superb example showing the lengths Victorians could go for decorative embellishment. I like the small touches of color.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 05:14 PM
Also..the lot of you were so very kind not to mention my typing fingers' predilection for barely pausing over the apostrophe key. I do know the difference between a possessive and a plural. When it comes to books, I am blessed with a plurality of possessions. When it comes to typing I am cursed with too many fingers.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 07:03 PM
Hi boo,

Too many of your informative posts have been lost on this board, and that's a shame.

Is there any way we can be sure to preserve this one for all who will need this information for years to come?

If anyone can do it, please do.

Maeve? Are you here? Also, newell, Billy, could you add this to your PDF saved threads. Of course, I know that if any additions are made to this, than Billy's save will not reflect this.

And, Boo, thanks for all of your intelligence and your offering to share it with us.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 6, 2005 10:27 PM
Thanks for all the effort and information, Boodust. Let's make sure we keep this one so we don't lose it like we lost your leather monograph. If Giles weren't a figment of our collective imagination, we could have him add this discussion to the sidebar.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 7, 2005 09:08 AM
Will: I agree; this thread should be saved at the sidebar. David: Yeah... some of the cloth bindings done in France in the mid-nineteenth century in imitation of enamelwork were pretty sweet. Here's an American imitation of that style, a few years later than the Cromwell above:
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 8, 2005 07:28 AM
Hi
Its the weekend, may be somebody would enjoy this thread, before it disappears into nirwana.
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Re: Some thoughts on bindings and the dating of them ... &c (for beginners)
Jan 8, 2005 09:07 AM
Boodust, I really enjoyed reading your informative thread on my favorite genre of books (Victorian/Edwardian). Do you have any detailed information on the beginnings of Victorian pictorial pastedown covers, such as this one:
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