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Are You Ready for Feedback 2.0

Mar 25, 2007 1:41 PM
I am sorry this opening post is so long, but if you sell on eBay you may want to read it.

Feedback 2.0 is coming to the US and Canada soon. If you don’t know what it is, you should, as it will have a big impact on sellers.

Feedback 2.0 has been in force in the UK for a few weeks now and is still stirring up a lot of opinions and controversy. I went onto the eBay UK boards this week and posted a question asking for opinions. Boy did I get an earful.

The problem is that eBay North America is going to make a decision on this based on the experience of the UK and Australia, and we here in the US and Canada are going to be presented with a fait accompli. Once it is introduced that will be it. Sellers can complain all they want but we will be stuck with it and will not have had any chance to give input. Now is the time to learn about this thing and let eBay know your feelings.

Before I show you the comments here is a simple description of Feedback 2.0

Besides leaving a feedback comment, buyers can rate sellers in four categories with a 5-star system. The categories used in the UK include:
-item as described
-communication
-dispatch time (shipping)
-Postage and Packaging charges

The other big change with Feedback 2.0 is that the feedback comment shows the item title that was sold and the price the seller paid. If you want to see this in action, go to eBay.co.uk, open some auctions and click on the feedback score after the member’s ID.

So what do the UK sellers think of 2.0?

Here are some actual comments from the message boards. I have my own feelings but I have tried to be representative to be fair. If it seems like there are more negatives than positives, that’s just the way it is. Remember I am primarily looking at this from the seller’s standpoint –not the buyers. Here are a sampling of the comments:

Danger is that people who are satisfied will leave feedback but not use star ratings while those with a gripe will. If this happens then the ratings will not be a true reflection through a lack of fives. If there is a star system then it should be compulsory.
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Im finding people are ignoring the star ratings, maybe because they think that giving a good feedback is enough which it is really.

When we mail out items here first class buyers expect to receive it the next day which in theory they should. People in US are used to waiting 3-5 days for an item to arrive. It's a big country.

There was a lot of concern here about people loosing half a star for one thing or another, but it's settled down now and I don't think that anyone's sales have suffered because they have lost a star. It's the other issues going on that are loosing people sales.

It's a good feedback % score that will sway buyers not that a seller hasn't got 5 star ratings across the board

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OP - The main problems are that it's a biased system - buyers get to rate sellers in great detail, but sellers don't get to rate buyers in the same way. Secondly, as has been evidenced by the numerous threads on Ebay.UK already, people's opinions differ wildly over what constitutes good, bad or average. We've had people saying they will start with 5 stars and only knock some off for very bad service - and we've had others saying they will start out by awarding 3 stars and only add any extra if the service is out of this world - ie the ratings are going to be fairly meaningless.

Won't matter too much if you have a high sales volume. It could be a serious problem if you have a low sales volume and are unlucky enough to get people a few sandwiches short of a picnic rating you.

The biggest concern seems to be P+P ratings. Example - I bought a vacuum cleaner from a guy yesterday which came via DHL next day service approx 130 miles for just £9 - great value IMHO. But the guy is still dropping marks on P+P from some buyers. What more do people want?!

Oh, and when the first threads rolled out it looked as though there was circa 95% opposition to the new FB system - so it's not just a few 'moaners' as some would have you believe.

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I sold a Hampster cage to a chap who left me a glowing feedback comment but then hit me with low stars on all four levels. I think the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead.

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If buyers can rate sellers, why can't sellers rate buyers ?
I get buyers who pay within seconds of the auction ending
I get buyers who pay within a few days
I get buyers who seem to need a 7 day reminder to pay
I get buyers who need a non payment dispute to pay up
I get buyers who ask not to pay
I get buyers who ask stupid questions after they have bid and won.... and so it goes on

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Why do I have to rate them all the same way ? Or could it all have just been left the way it was ?

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This one appears to be from a buyer but has a message for sellers:
"Can't believe that ebay is doing this??
Who came up with this idiocy ???

This is surely an invasion of PRIVACY.

What I purchase on ebay should be my own personal business. Why does it have to be listed for the world to see? I'm not ashamed of my purchases, but whether I buy a pack of pencils, or a bed sheet, it's MY business!!

This means, I can look at a Shopseller's profile, who sells simular items to what I sell, and see where they purchase their stock or packaging, if they've purchased them on ebay.

This means I can get really curious about a gift that hubby's purchased for my birthday, and just click on his ebay id and see what he's got me!!

This means I wont be doing much shopping on ebay anymore.

Ebay has lost a chunk of my business, I'll rather go to my local stores now, at least there I'll get more privacy than what I'm getting on ebay!!

LOSING BUSINESS... (the only way you guys listen). "

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I used to buy the ocassional naughty item on eBay --but NO MORE. I don't want everyone to see what I bought and what I paid for it.

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I've been mailed by a buyer who said "couldn't give you a 5 on postage cost because it took 2 days to arrive"
He paid on Wednesday night, it arrived Friday, you can't beat that yet I still get a 4 star.

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I've had nearly 150 feedback left for me since the new system started, only 45 have bothered with the star ratings

One lady emailed to say she'd paid at 2pm and her item arrived at 8.30am the next morning - we had a little chat and I mentioned that perhaps she'd get other items a bit faster now the new ratings had come in - she knew nothing about them

Another lady emailed to thank me for refunding her extra postage - I trotted out the same line as above - she knew nothing about it either

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Danger is that people who are satisfied will leave feedback but not use star ratings while those with a gripe will. If this happens then the ratings will not be a true reflection through a lack of fives. If there is a star system then it should be compulsory.

As a seller I hate the new feedback forum layout. I don't need an image of the item, the item description is in large type with the buyers ID underneath in much smaller font and there are only 10 items. It's the buyers ID I need first not the item description.

I much prefer the old layout with buyer ID on top line and 25 items per page which much quicker to use.

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So I hope you found this interesting as I did. I would love to hear your comments and concerns. eBay reads these boards, so maybe someone there might be interested as well. Besides posting here, you may want to do new topics as well so this issue get some visability before its a done deal.
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Apr 4, 2007 8:32 AM
actually I was looking at my feedback on the UK site, and I liked seeing the item the customer bought , the price and their comment all at once.

I think that part is an improvement.

I also like that when a customer checks my feedback they can clearly see I sell mostly postcards and the price range they are in.

I think that makes me look more like an expert and less like an occasional hobbyist seller.

So I guess I have changed my mind, and like the new format better.

"Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. "

Somebody smarter than me said that. Emerson maybe? I forget.
Dennis

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moostrap73
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Apr 4, 2007 9:53 AM
Dennis, I'm confused
( more than usual)
You are a US seller, but you said you checked your feedback on the UK site.
How does that work???

Have wondered how to get world-wide exposure( no laughs here...for SELLING) when I find listings for only US,UK and Canada...but nothing for France or other countries.
And has eBay thot , in their great non-wisdom, to translate into English sales from foreign language countries??/

Am I missing something?
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chippiesavalanche
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Apr 4, 2007 11:46 AM
Greetings!

i googled my ebay id, i show up on just about every ebay sight,

france, germany, italy, spain, portugal, tiawan, austalia, uk, canada, brasil, many many more...

you might want to check your shipping preferences, you may only have uk and canada checked for shipping.
i click the "worldwide" radio button.

hope this helps


also, check out my store, the transation page.

michael
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Apr 4, 2007 11:51 AM
It's sad that eBay came up with FB 2.0. Not their brightest idea. Sellers have less and less protection with eBay. I have experienced buyers who left a negative feedback simply for being reminded to pay for their item long after the required delay and a few payment reminders. Sellers should be able to "star grade" the buyers as well.

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dht56
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Apr 4, 2007 1:00 PM
You are a US seller, but you said you checked your feedback on the UK site.
How does that work???


Go to the eBay home page, at the bottom are links for the international sites. Click on UK, then search for your id and check your feedback from ebay UK, it will show in the new format.
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Apr 4, 2007 1:20 PM
I have mixed feelings about the product showing up, now that I went to the UK to see my own feedback. I don't sell internationally so I have no stars. I understand people's concerns about privacy, but one thing that would work to my advantage is when someone leaves glowing feedback comments for a particular item, it may help sell that item in the future. I realize that doesn't work for people who sell unique items, but it could actually help mine. I'm still nervous about the stars, but I'm trying to be open minded about things.


Paula




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moostrap73
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Apr 4, 2007 3:19 PM
alright! You are all so cool!!
And I am such a.....
Yes, I do ship worldwide ( check out my site and even my website...)
but I really didn't know I could see my ID in other countries.
It is so great to 'learn something new everyday'!!
And I have passed 60 already!! Maybe even a bit more......

Think this thread was a great idea and the comments worthwhile.
Will keep watching!
Joy
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Apr 4, 2007 3:32 PM
Michael,

I looked at your store...and while I wouldn't actually NEED anything you sell...I loved it ALL!!
Like love going to a hardware store and checking out every shelf...and every item.
Your translation page is awesome...I am trying to use the site you refer to..I have a MacG5...and being of certain age...it takes me longer to figure stuff out...like Keyboard Caps...nowhere to be found....so I will keep working on it. But thanks again...
J.
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Apr 4, 2007 4:58 PM
Feedback 2.0
Bad! Very bad! I have been selling on ebay over the years and now I am looking at other resources. What a chance to start a user friendly and BALANCED auction system. How about getting together and introducing our own IPO. Maybe, it could be actually owned by the users as well? e-bay is makeing another BIG mistake here.

Craig
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Apr 5, 2007 2:45 AM
Personally, I think if eBay really wanted to improve the rating system, and have stars left, the best way would be to give a mini survey. Ask the buyer to rate things with numbers 1 - 5 telling them what each one means like on Netflix. I'm sure you have rated movies there. Use that system. The stars are automatic. Then if you want to leave an optional note, you can. Simple.

As for showing everyone what I bought... WHY? What I bought was not important, and it puts the sellers at a real big disadvantage with the competition.

Another though, people are picky. I read lots of feedback. If I see a seller bought an item I think is objectionable, would I want to buy from them? Probably not.

We will really need to open two accounts with eBay. One for buying and one for selling. Not cool.
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Apr 5, 2007 2:55 AM
Okay. I thought I would be smart and check out eBay UK. I went to buy, and clicked on Antique Furniture.

- I looked at an auction of bedroom furniture.
- I cliked on the seller ID, went to the feedback.
- Then looked at their feedback as a buyer.

I just found their Italian furniture source they buy from! It only took me 1 minute. This is a problem! Now I can see where they bought it and for how much.

This will cut out the Power Seller as a middle man, and we will need to get non-eBay product sources. There goes a bit of eBay business.
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Apr 5, 2007 5:39 AM
Let's not forget you can still see what people bought with the current system as well. It just takes a little effort to click the item number. Having two IDs if you're buying product to resell has always made sense.


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Apr 5, 2007 11:14 AM
So I have a situaiton as a buyer where I would appreciate a different feedback system than what we have now. I bought an item. It arrived in reasonably good time and is as described. I'm happy with the item.

What I'm not happy with is the fact that a small printer was shipped media mail. The buyer didn't state a specific shipping service so it isn't that they shipped it a different method than they advertised. It's that I really do believe that people that misuse the shipping system ultimately make it harder for the rest of us who are careful with our shipping methods.

With the current system I don't have a lot of recourse. Overall I would have to say it is a positive transaction but I definitely would not buy from this seller again. Maybe that is the only real feedback that matters.

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Apr 5, 2007 11:29 AM
All our listings clearly state what carrier service ( USPS Priority)
we use and refer to bottom of page where insurance costs are listed.
If a customer pays thru PayPal...there is a line that the seller fills telling the buyer what service is used and what you will charged.

This seems to be a case of ones own error in not reading the total description on the auction page.
I am a guilty of this as any other buyer...in my haste often to get an item...I scim the page, bid and then
SURPRISE! something or other I hadn't paid attention to, is charged to me!
If it happens more than once...well you know...then I am a fool!
Lesson: READ, READ, READ, and ASK, ASK, ASK!( before bidding!!!)
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Apr 5, 2007 12:30 PM
greetings!

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Lesson: READ, READ, READ, and ASK, ASK, ASK!( before bidding!!!)
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could we get ebay to put this in every new account email they send out?

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