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Are You Ready for Feedback 2.0

Mar 25, 2007 1:41 PM
I am sorry this opening post is so long, but if you sell on eBay you may want to read it.

Feedback 2.0 is coming to the US and Canada soon. If you don’t know what it is, you should, as it will have a big impact on sellers.

Feedback 2.0 has been in force in the UK for a few weeks now and is still stirring up a lot of opinions and controversy. I went onto the eBay UK boards this week and posted a question asking for opinions. Boy did I get an earful.

The problem is that eBay North America is going to make a decision on this based on the experience of the UK and Australia, and we here in the US and Canada are going to be presented with a fait accompli. Once it is introduced that will be it. Sellers can complain all they want but we will be stuck with it and will not have had any chance to give input. Now is the time to learn about this thing and let eBay know your feelings.

Before I show you the comments here is a simple description of Feedback 2.0

Besides leaving a feedback comment, buyers can rate sellers in four categories with a 5-star system. The categories used in the UK include:
-item as described
-communication
-dispatch time (shipping)
-Postage and Packaging charges

The other big change with Feedback 2.0 is that the feedback comment shows the item title that was sold and the price the seller paid. If you want to see this in action, go to eBay.co.uk, open some auctions and click on the feedback score after the member’s ID.

So what do the UK sellers think of 2.0?

Here are some actual comments from the message boards. I have my own feelings but I have tried to be representative to be fair. If it seems like there are more negatives than positives, that’s just the way it is. Remember I am primarily looking at this from the seller’s standpoint –not the buyers. Here are a sampling of the comments:

Danger is that people who are satisfied will leave feedback but not use star ratings while those with a gripe will. If this happens then the ratings will not be a true reflection through a lack of fives. If there is a star system then it should be compulsory.
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Im finding people are ignoring the star ratings, maybe because they think that giving a good feedback is enough which it is really.

When we mail out items here first class buyers expect to receive it the next day which in theory they should. People in US are used to waiting 3-5 days for an item to arrive. It's a big country.

There was a lot of concern here about people loosing half a star for one thing or another, but it's settled down now and I don't think that anyone's sales have suffered because they have lost a star. It's the other issues going on that are loosing people sales.

It's a good feedback % score that will sway buyers not that a seller hasn't got 5 star ratings across the board

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OP - The main problems are that it's a biased system - buyers get to rate sellers in great detail, but sellers don't get to rate buyers in the same way. Secondly, as has been evidenced by the numerous threads on Ebay.UK already, people's opinions differ wildly over what constitutes good, bad or average. We've had people saying they will start with 5 stars and only knock some off for very bad service - and we've had others saying they will start out by awarding 3 stars and only add any extra if the service is out of this world - ie the ratings are going to be fairly meaningless.

Won't matter too much if you have a high sales volume. It could be a serious problem if you have a low sales volume and are unlucky enough to get people a few sandwiches short of a picnic rating you.

The biggest concern seems to be P+P ratings. Example - I bought a vacuum cleaner from a guy yesterday which came via DHL next day service approx 130 miles for just £9 - great value IMHO. But the guy is still dropping marks on P+P from some buyers. What more do people want?!

Oh, and when the first threads rolled out it looked as though there was circa 95% opposition to the new FB system - so it's not just a few 'moaners' as some would have you believe.

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I sold a Hampster cage to a chap who left me a glowing feedback comment but then hit me with low stars on all four levels. I think the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead.

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If buyers can rate sellers, why can't sellers rate buyers ?
I get buyers who pay within seconds of the auction ending
I get buyers who pay within a few days
I get buyers who seem to need a 7 day reminder to pay
I get buyers who need a non payment dispute to pay up
I get buyers who ask not to pay
I get buyers who ask stupid questions after they have bid and won.... and so it goes on

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Why do I have to rate them all the same way ? Or could it all have just been left the way it was ?

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This one appears to be from a buyer but has a message for sellers:
"Can't believe that ebay is doing this??
Who came up with this idiocy ???

This is surely an invasion of PRIVACY.

What I purchase on ebay should be my own personal business. Why does it have to be listed for the world to see? I'm not ashamed of my purchases, but whether I buy a pack of pencils, or a bed sheet, it's MY business!!

This means, I can look at a Shopseller's profile, who sells simular items to what I sell, and see where they purchase their stock or packaging, if they've purchased them on ebay.

This means I can get really curious about a gift that hubby's purchased for my birthday, and just click on his ebay id and see what he's got me!!

This means I wont be doing much shopping on ebay anymore.

Ebay has lost a chunk of my business, I'll rather go to my local stores now, at least there I'll get more privacy than what I'm getting on ebay!!

LOSING BUSINESS... (the only way you guys listen). "

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I used to buy the ocassional naughty item on eBay --but NO MORE. I don't want everyone to see what I bought and what I paid for it.

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I've been mailed by a buyer who said "couldn't give you a 5 on postage cost because it took 2 days to arrive"
He paid on Wednesday night, it arrived Friday, you can't beat that yet I still get a 4 star.

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I've had nearly 150 feedback left for me since the new system started, only 45 have bothered with the star ratings

One lady emailed to say she'd paid at 2pm and her item arrived at 8.30am the next morning - we had a little chat and I mentioned that perhaps she'd get other items a bit faster now the new ratings had come in - she knew nothing about them

Another lady emailed to thank me for refunding her extra postage - I trotted out the same line as above - she knew nothing about it either

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Danger is that people who are satisfied will leave feedback but not use star ratings while those with a gripe will. If this happens then the ratings will not be a true reflection through a lack of fives. If there is a star system then it should be compulsory.

As a seller I hate the new feedback forum layout. I don't need an image of the item, the item description is in large type with the buyers ID underneath in much smaller font and there are only 10 items. It's the buyers ID I need first not the item description.

I much prefer the old layout with buyer ID on top line and 25 items per page which much quicker to use.

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So I hope you found this interesting as I did. I would love to hear your comments and concerns. eBay reads these boards, so maybe someone there might be interested as well. Besides posting here, you may want to do new topics as well so this issue get some visability before its a done deal.
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Apr 5, 2007 1:28 PM
Mine wasn't a case of me not reading. I even went back and read it again. They didn't specify a shipping service. I'm okay with that. I trust sellers to use the shipping method most appropriate to the product.

Media mail is not the appropriate service for shipping a printer. Not only does it violate the postal regulations for media mail but it also puts the buyer at risk to pay additional shipping if the postal service decides to inspect the package and upgrade it to the correct service. It also put the package at risk for serious delay - media mail can sometimes take weeks to arrive.

So while I'm satisfied with the product I bought I'm not satisfied with the seller. It makes leaving feedback in the current system a precarious proposition.

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Apr 5, 2007 5:29 PM
If IT ain't broke, don't fix IT.
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Apr 5, 2007 9:51 PM
If IT ain't broke, don't fix IT.

Ditto. But that would require common sense. An Ebay executive having common sense is an oxymoron.

After reviewing some of my larger competitors feedback, I am not sure it is going to matter. Apparantly a lot of people dont even look at feedback.

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Apr 12, 2007 11:14 PM
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Apr 13, 2007 4:30 AM
I like the new version better, personally.
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Apr 14, 2007 12:00 AM
Oh wow, I just figured out the OP was the great Skip McGrath.

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Apr 14, 2007 4:37 AM
Yeah, he was a regular poster on the board for all of about three days. I was freaking out a little bit. :-D


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Apr 14, 2007 12:58 PM
Yeah, he was a regular poster on the board for all of about three days. I was freaking out a little bit.


Paula


He is one of the ebay "gurus" who really seems to know his stuff. I love his newsletter. I dont always agree with him, mainly because he often plays devils advocote on behalf of ebay and I am like the dog that has been beaten to many times. When I see the ebay change stick coming, I duck and run.

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Apr 14, 2007 1:24 PM
Just another example of the current management disregard for its sellers and interest in finding new ways of fixing what it's not broken and making sure that it doesn't stay that way
Two thumbs down for the new system and for the stupid changes that are being implemented everywhere at ebay
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Apr 14, 2007 3:06 PM
Makes you wonder how many sellers are on the 'Voices' board... and how many of those do their own work, rather than being the boss and hiring the work done. Know what I mean?

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Apr 14, 2007 8:25 PM
I am like the dog that has been beaten to many times. When I see the ebay change stick coming, I duck and run.

:^O I hear ya on that. Changes changes, all to make the buyer feel more warm and cozy, make e-bay more money, and make the sellers feel like beat dogs just trying to make their masters happy, all the while the rules keep changing.


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Apr 27, 2007 6:58 PM
I honestly don't like the idea of FB2 coming, I felt sick when I read about it. I don't think it's fair for buyers to rate sellers and sellers not be able to rate buyers. I have been both on ebay for several years now,heck I'm still trying to get to the place where I
could actually say I make a living! I've tried free shipping,low prices, sales, more low prices,and still get some ugly messages from people who aren't even buying from me, what does the small seller do in this case? I am just trying to keep my FB as close to 100% as I can.I wish ebay would come up with a better "something" to do,like make it where everyone could make money off the site without more headaches!
It's like a man told me one day in the post office, "Ebaying, it's just a little too much sugar for a dime"!!!!I don't think this FB2 is going to be worth part of that dime too!! Great day to you! Nannys Yard Sale
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Apr 28, 2007 11:43 PM
Now we know,,,more than ever...that eBay DOES NOT read this site. Why?? Because their annoucement regarding FB2 said that eBay had MOSTLY POSITIVE response to the changes!!
Not True!!

While eBay goes on it's merry way, we write and express our concerns and negative feelings about ANOTHER ebay change...and surprise! The change happens!
So who is the eBay's DECIDER???
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Apr 29, 2007 12:11 AM
Ebay has been pretty clear - the are looking to create the best buyer's experience.

The hard reality is that sellers are a revolving door. There will always be more. The world is full of starry eyed people looking to be self-employed and Ebay is good at seducing them - at least until they run out of money to finance their impetuous venture into entrepeneurship.

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Apr 29, 2007 9:49 PM
:^O Faerie!


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