Juma said: The ones who call themselves conservative republicans can not possibly be actually voting for McCain, I suggest they are voting against Obama.

That's a good observation JD,it also makes sense that"Liberation Theology" ,like Obama and his wife have become associated with,will be a valid reason for some Democrats not to vote for Obama as well. Some Democrats are tired of the extreme left running the party as if Karl Marx is the DNC chairman.



Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius XI ‘Divini Redemptoris’ on Atheistic Communism. Written in 1937, it is beautiful in its truth., he begins the discussion of the doctrine of communism with this:

“The communism of today, even more pretentiously than similar theories of the past, poses as the saviour of the poor. A pseudo-ideal of justice, equality, and brotherhood among workers inspires the whole of its theory and practice, permeating the movement with a counterfeit mysticism which, combined with the glamour of illusive promises, both dupes the masses and fills them with a contagious and vehement enthusiasm.”

Which is exactly what we're used to from the White House.

Message to Scott and Barak: Bush is not on the ballot.

Are you seriously going to tell us that it is not the same way with the Republicans?

To varying degrees. But I'm not willing to say McCain is in the pockets of special interests as much as the rest of them.

Of course, The Democrats managed to lose to him twice. What does that say?

It says the voters have had some really poor choices presented to them in the last several general elections. Of course, the voters are the ones that picked these candidates. And that says the electorate is a bunch of ignoramuses who are more qualified to pick an American Idol contestant than a presidential candidate. How can they be so stupid? Simple. Most of them graduated from government-run schools where they teach diversity and environmental whackoism instead of American Government, actual history, math, and science.

As long as there are 40% committed defenders of their party, how can we expect anything but intellectual laziness?

I think this is a huge misconception. I'd guess only 10% or less are committed defenders of their party. Most of the rest (including me) are committed detractors of the other party. I generally vote Republican because the Democrats are wrong on just about every issue of consequence, and Republicans are the only viable alternative to keeping them out of office. I call it "playing defense", and I'll be doing it again this fall. Unless McCain can win AZ easily without my vote - then I'll be voting for Bob Barr.

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Message to Scott and Barak: Bush is not on the ballot.

Bush is in the White House, and there are a lot of Republicans who continue to defend his policies and actions.

Since I already derided the "third Bush term" and "McBush" rhetoric as "silliness," I think that was a bit of a cheap shot.

It seems to me, that in doing so, you are defending the other party, by defacto. I'm not sure I understand the difference between being a committed detractor and being a committed defender.

I see a distinction between attacking one party and defending the other. To be fair to Ted, he has pointed out where he thinks the Republicans have gone wrong too. I don't always agree with his reasoning, but I do enjoy his posts.

many will be voting against a candidate, and not for a candidate.

I actually think that both McCain and Obama have admirable personal qualities, which I will choose to continue to admire. Both of them have their quirks and weaknesses, but so will any presidential candidate.

I part company with both of them on several of their policy positions.

But Jesse the Body is making noises about getting into the race! Maybe those of us who supported most of the original Reform Party platform will have a home to return to this year.

dupes the masses and fills them with a contagious and vehement enthusiasm

You could say that about any movement that uses demagoguery to achieve its aims. For example, one could say the same thing about a movement that tries to convince its adherents that the only reason fuel prices are going up is because those darned environmentalists are standing in the way.

--Scott

I cannot vote for any candidate running for any office or position in this country. There are no truly honest ones to choose from. The day a politcal candidate at any level is given the publicity enough to tell the actual truth and say "The American people are the most heartless, evil, apathetic and cruel society of people in the history of the world." will the the day one gets my vote.

So go ahead, candidates, lie. Tell a vain and evil people everything they want to hear in your attempts to gain a big paying job of power. We all know you're bought and paid for in advance whether you get in office or not. Our vote counts for nothing but a show.

Coinshopusa: I'm not sure what country you're from (or planet for that matter), but I personally take extreme umbrage with your take on the American people. If you'd had had a smattering of world history, you would understand just how ridiculous your comment regarding the "most heartless, evil, apathetic and cruel society in the history of the world" statement is. I could start citing societies from the early Babylon/Macedonian cultures, through Early Egypt (let my people go), through Roman (legionnaires were armed men who generally would completely annihilate the enemy, rather than take prisoners, because it would cost too much to feed them), Britain (China and India), Germany (Nazis anyone), Soviet Union (Ukraine massacres under Stalin, probably worse than the holocaust). You could probably lump Americans in there in regard to the Native Americans, but at least we have tried to assimilate them (those that don't want to assimilate are not forced to do so). But to say that the American people are the MOST heartless, etc. IN HISTORY just makes me sick. I actually fought for you right to your own free speech. I don't understand why you would so cavalierly throw it away on this type of misinformation.

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Ever heard of "no child left behind"? You don't think that doesn't divert money from where it can be utilized the best? All of the various programs that you touted take money and therefore learning opportunities from the kids for whom it is intended. Ever see the hierarchical structure of a typical school district. Seems that when cuts in the budget have to be made, it is not the superintendents, assistants, assorted hangers on, etc. that get their jobs cut, but the teachers themselves. This results in overcrowded classrooms, lack of textbooks, lack of computers, etc., and therefore results in lack of education. This lack of education is becoming more apparent daily in the U.S. workplace with new people unable to read, write and/or do simple math. It's sad.