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Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM
DEARBORN, Mich. - Ford, the only Detroit automaker to dodge direct government aid and bankruptcy court, surprised investors with net income of nearly $1 billion in the third quarter and forecast a "solidly profitable" 2011.

The automaker said Monday earnings were fueled by U.S. market share gains, cost cuts and the Cash for Clunkers program, which drew flocks of buyers to showrooms this summer. Ford's shares rose 53 cents, or 7.6 percent, to $7.53 in afternoon trading.

The latest results signal that Ford's turnaround is on more solid ground. The company lost more than $14.6 billion last year and hasn't posted a full-year profit since 2005. While it made a profit in the second quarter, that was mainly due to debt reductions that cut its interest payments.

Ford, based in Dearborn, Mich., reported third-quarter net income of $997 million, or 29 cents per share. Its profit forecast for 2011 was a step above previous guidance of break-even or better for the year.

Ford's key North American car and truck division posted a pretax profit of $357 million, the division's first quarter in the black since early 2005. Ford cited higher pricing, lower material costs and increased market share for the improvement.

Excluding one-time items, Ford earned 26 cents per share, blowing away analysts' expectations of a loss of 12 cents.

The earnings came despite an $800 million revenue drop. But Ford said it cut costs by $1 billion during the quarter, accomplished through layoffs in North America and Europe, reduced pension and retiree health care costs and improvements in productivity and product development.

Chief financial officer Lewis Booth said the company took in $1.3 billion more than it spent in the quarter, an improvement over its $1 billion cash burn in the second quarter.

"That's a huge deal," Booth said.

Ford's plan to create demand and get better prices for its products, coupled with cost cuts, gave the company confidence that it will make money in 2011, Booth said.

But Ford still faces obstacles in its turnaround. On Monday, the United Auto Workers union said its members overwhelmingly rejected a deal that would have brought Ford's labor costs in line with rivals General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.

Seventy percent of production workers and 75 percent of skilled tradesmen such as electricians and pipefitters voted against it. The union said it would not return to the bargaining table.

Ford said in a statement that it will keep working with the union to make sure it stays competitive so it can keep making commitments to invest in U.S. factories.

Workers objected to clauses limiting their right to strike and freezing entry-level wages, and felt the company was healthy enough and didn't need further concessions. The rejected deal also would have changed rules so skilled tradesmen work in teams and perform more than one task.

Rejection of the deal isn't likely to place Ford at an immediate cost disadvantage to its crosstown rivals because savings from the concessions are longer-term, said Gary Chaison, a professor of labor relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass. Neither the company nor the UAW has released any cost savings numbers.

The third-quarter profit makes it extremely unlikely that the company will push to head back to the bargaining table before the current UAW contract expires in the fall of 2011, and union leaders also are unlikely to take another deal to the membership, Chaison said.

"I think the company has no credibility asking for concessions now, and I think the leadership is quite embarrased for making a case for concessions," he said.

Chaison said Ford could make some noise about moving new vehicle production to Canada, where unionized workers on Sunday approved a package of concessions, but it's more likely that Ford will live with the current contract until 2011.

The other area where Ford has a cost disadvantage is debt. Ford reported $26.9 billion in debt, up $800 million from the second quarter.

The company avoided the same fate as rivals Chrysler and GM by mortgaging its factories and even the familiar blue oval logo to borrow $23.5 billion before credit markets froze last year.

Ford didn't quantify the impact of Cash for Clunkers, which offered buyers rebates to trade in their vehicles. The program helped Ford cut costly incentives and raise production.

It also won buyers; the fuel-efficient Ford Focus sedan and Ford Escape, a small SUV, were among the top five sellers under clunkers. Ford sales climbed 17 percent in August thanks to the program.

Ford's revenue fell $800 million for the quarter, to $30.9 billion, due mainly to its financial services arm, Ford Motor Credit, making fewer loans.

But the division still posted a pretax profit of $677 million, and revenue from auto operations rose slightly to $27.9 billion.

Ford also has benefited from consumer goodwill after it declined government bailout money and didn't go into bankruptcy over the summer as GM and Chrysler did. Ford grabbed sales from its rivals, posting the largest increase in market share of any automaker in September. Ford expects an overall gain in U.S. market share in 2009, a feat it hasn't accomplished since 1995.
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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:12 PM
The best rust never rests....
There, fixed that for ya.:^O

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:16 PM
Yep! There's a model to be proud of. Fire the employees, reduce wages, cut production, move production off-shore, screw yer suppliers.

But, but, but, "We made a profit".

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM
The best rust never rests....
There, fixed that for ya.:^O


You must have misread, the article doesn`t say chebby.;)
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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM
Yep! There's a model to be proud of. Fire the employees, reduce wages, cut production, move production off-shore, screw yer suppliers.

But, but, but, "We made a profit".


Ain`t that what business is about... profit? The union members are trying to gouge Ford now. Maybe Ford needs to move all production to Canada where union members agreed to consessions. All unions should be shut down, they are one of the major problems in this country. And I don`t want to hear any b.s. about them being responsible for good wages here. I never worked for a union in my life and I always made a living.
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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:36 PM
Yep! There's a model to be proud of. Fire the employees, reduce wages, cut production, move production off-shore, screw yer suppliers.

But, but, but, "We made a profit".


Ain`t that what business is about... profit? The union members are trying to gouge Ford now. Maybe Ford needs to move all production to Canada where union members agreed to consessions. All unions should be shut down, they are one of the major problems in this country. And I don`t want to hear any b.s. about them being responsible for good wages here. I never worked for a union in my life and I always made a living.


But if it were not for unions you would not have the benefits that you have, like holiday pay, 40 hour work week, I could go on and on.

I will have to agree that unions are on their way out.

so before you spout off your mouth be sure you know what your talking about, just my 3 ¢

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM
And how much revenue does the gov't take in on income taxes. State and local gov'ts on property taxes, sales taxes? Local suppliers gain how much when the buyer leaves town? How's the local real estate market when the employer leaves town?

So, under your model, all production should be moved off-shore? That would make Ford, what, an import?

You want Ford to leave the US because it is good for the economy? They won't buy any parts in the US. won't pay any taxes in the US. won't pay any wages in the US.

Something is wrong with this model.

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM
Yep! There's a model to be proud of. Fire the employees, reduce wages, cut production, move production off-shore, screw yer suppliers.

But, but, but, "We made a profit".


Ain`t that what business is about... profit? The union members are trying to gouge Ford now. Maybe Ford needs to move all production to Canada where union members agreed to consessions. All unions should be shut down, they are one of the major problems in this country. And I don`t want to hear any b.s. about them being responsible for good wages here. I never worked for a union in my life and I always made a living.


But if it were not for unions you would not have the benefits that you have, like holiday pay, 40 hour work week, I could go on and on.

I will have to agree that unions are on their way out.

so before you spout off your mouth be sure you know what your talking about, just my 3 ¢




My whole working life, I always paid my own insurance except for a couple years. The most vacation I ever got was 1 week. And I worked hard every day, I didn`t make as much money as some jerk-off on an assembly line. I EARNED what I made, every red cent of and I was proud of what I did. The union never did one thing for me. The unions are like the politicians in this country, crooked as a dogs hind leg. Corruption has gotten this country in the shape it`s in. So maybe, you ought to get your head out of the sand and learn to think for yourself before you spout off your mouth.
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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 5:44 PM
I saw the Ford news about profit on the news.
It was mentioned that the "goverment intends to enact legislation to bring Ford's labor cost inline with the competitionj".

I'm not totally sure exactly what that means but I got the impression that Uncle Scam is jealous that Goverment Motors isn't doing as well & intends to hand Ford the stinky end of the stick by way of some outrageous ]i8llegal] "regulation" ,
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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 5:45 PM
The rejected deal also would have changed rules so skilled tradesmen work


There's the problem right there




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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 6:33 PM
Yep! There's a model to be proud of. Fire the employees, reduce wages, cut production, move production off-shore, screw yer suppliers.

But, but, but, "We made a profit".


Ain`t that what business is about... profit? The union members are trying to gouge Ford now. Maybe Ford needs to move all production to Canada where union members agreed to consessions. All unions should be shut down, they are one of the major problems in this country. And I don`t want to hear any b.s. about them being responsible for good wages here. I never worked for a union in my life and I always made a living.


But if it were not for unions you would not have the benefits that you have, like holiday pay, 40 hour work week, I could go on and on.

I will have to agree that unions are on their way out.

so before you spout off your mouth be sure you know what your talking about, just my 3 ¢




My whole working life, I always paid my own insurance except for a couple years. The most vacation I ever got was 1 week. And I worked hard every day, I didn`t make as much money as some jerk-off on an assembly line. I EARNED what I made, every red cent of and I was proud of what I did. The union never did one thing for me. The unions are like the politicians in this country, crooked as a dogs hind leg. Corruption has gotten this country in the shape it`s in. So maybe, you ought to get your head out of the sand and learn to think for yourself before you spout off your mouth.


I was not talking about the unions of today like I said they are on their way out.

I am talking about the unions of the early days in the 30's when they made the employers pay better wages.

They also made them stop firing people if they refused to work 80 hours a week.

There were more things they did that you enjoy today.

I tell you one thing, assembly line work is not easy. They work your behinds off.

If your happy with working for the money you make I am happy for you.

I choose to jerk off on a assembly line and make better wages.

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 2, 2009 7:49 PM
And I worked hard every day,

I also worked hard all my life, but hey, for many of us that is life.

The difference is I worked union and am proud of it.

The building trade union which I was and still am a member of for over 36 years doesn't pay vacation, so any vacation time I took was a missed pay check.

The building trade union didn't pay sick time, so there were many days I went to work sick, but still able to do my job. If I missed time, I would have been fired or layed off.

The unions are like the politicians in this country, crooked as a dogs hind leg

Thank goodness there are no non-union outfits that pay cash or have their employee's as "self employed", thus not paying city, state or federal taxes. Those people are not only cheating the tax paying citizen, but they are hurting themselves by not having a pension, hospitalization coverage, or other benifits.

So before you spout out your stuff about unions, know that there are many different kinds, and not all are like the UAW with the benifits, pay, vacation, paid sick time, pay for not going to work, etc.

And as for me, I buy American whenever I can (even if it is more expensive, or out of my way to do so). But I would rather buy a non-UAW built car that was built in America, instead of a car built in Mexico, Japan, etc.

Helps keep America going!

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 3, 2009 3:20 AM
I've said it before, but the mere fact that Ford has refused/not needed any handouts/gov't takeovers to date speaks volumes to me.

That's called integrity. Makes me want to go against my nature and consider buying one of their vehicles next time around.

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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 3, 2009 3:33 AM
"The latest results signal that Ford's turnaround is on more solid ground"

Yea , but their rides are not!:^O

Maybe the new Tarsus will save their sorry butts?:^O

Sorry Ranger, I calls them the way I sees them:-p


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Re: Good News..The Best Never Rests.

Nov 3, 2009 5:26 AM
The best rust never rests....
There, fixed that for ya.:^O


HEHEHEHE

Dang u MO ya owes me a new key board

I's jist spewed PEPSI all over this thang

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