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Feb 15, 2007 01:04 PM
Hi everyone, I want to apologize for taking so long to get back with you all on your comments about my post on parts cars last month. Everyone on the Motors team has had their hands tied preparing for NADA. Rather than give a hurried and incomplete response we wanted to take the time to review your comments and respond thoroughly. Unfortunately, my first post is no longer on the board, so I’ll have to cover some old ground again. Let me start by reintroducing myself. I work for Motors and I have several areas of responsibility, including Trust and Safety and support for the Motors business team. Occasionally I get involved in legal and government affairs, and as you can see from my email address, I also work with PayPal on Trust and Safety issues. I came to Motors nearly three years ago. I’ve been working in the auto industry since 2000. I signed up as a “Pink” so that every now and then I could jump in and shed some light on important and sometimes controversial issues. My feedback score is 70 at 100%, I recently sold my DVD of Easy Rider for $1.00 and most recently bought a pair of tennis shoes. I drive a 1996 Honda Civic, which I’m sure will find its way on to eBay Motors this year. Ok enough of me, lets talk about parts cars. 1. What is a “parts car”? Going back to my first post, let me recap our policy for listing a parts car. First, a parts car is a vehicle that cannot be driven and will be broken down into components and used to repair or modify other vehicles. Parts cars cannot be used for transportation. If a vehicle can be driven or if it can be repaired, rebuilt, or restored it cannot be listed in the Parts Car category. Recently, sellers started referring to their road-worthy cars and their repairable cars as “parts cars” and listing them in the Parts Car category. As these vehicles can be used for transportation, for Trust and Safety and buyer protection reasons, we are obligated to end these of listings and ask sellers to relist in the Cars & Trucks category. 2. Why can’t I describe the title in my parts car listing? See our Government ID policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/government-ids-licenses.html. Sellers can only describe title, or other comparable ownership documents, if they are listing a functional vehicle. Because functional vehicles aren’t allowed in the Parts Car category, sellers cannot describe title in their parts car listings. In the Parts Car category we restrict discussion of title to protect buyers and sellers. The Cars & Trucks category is the appropriate category to describe title. For those sellers who think that a description of title is important information for bidders, they should list their cars in the Cars & Trucks category. Motors shoppers who are looking for transportation deserve and expect the protection that we offer in the Cars & Trucks category. These protections include Vehicle Purchase Protection and listing formats that insure the accuracy of title, vehicle description, and VIN data. Sellers also benefit, for instance recently a dealer in Tennessee was unknowingly trying to sell a car that was flooded during Katrina, our VIN check alerted us, and in turn we were able to warn the seller before he sold the car. 3. If the high bid my car is only going to be a couple hundred dollars, can’t I just call it a “parts car” and save on the Motors flat fees? Unfortunately, no. I know that the costs and complexities of listing a vehicle in the Cars & Trucks category might not meet the needs of every vehicle seller, but barring the unusual, the value of any vehicle listed in the Cars & Trucks category will greatly benefit from enhanced bidder confidence and a greater search exposure, than a vehicle listed in another category. Thanks everyone, and sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to touch on everyone’s comments and concerns. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, McB
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Part Car Listings
Feb 15, 2007 01:04 PM
Hi everyone, I want to apologize for taking so long to get back with you all on your comments about my post on parts cars last month. Everyone on the Motors team has had their hands tied preparing for NADA. Rather than give a hurried and incomplete response we wanted to take the time to review your comments and respond thoroughly. Unfortunately, my first post is no longer on the board, so I’ll have to cover some old ground again. Let me start by reintroducing myself. I work for Motors and I have several areas of responsibility, including Trust and Safety and support for the Motors business team. Occasionally I get involved in legal and government affairs, and as you can see from my email address, I also work with PayPal on Trust and Safety issues. I came to Motors nearly three years ago. I’ve been working in the auto industry since 2000. I signed up as a “Pink” so that every now and then I could jump in and shed some light on important and sometimes controversial issues. My feedback score is 70 at 100%, I recently sold my DVD of Easy Rider for $1.00 and most recently bought a pair of tennis shoes. I drive a 1996 Honda Civic, which I’m sure will find its way on to eBay Motors this year. Ok enough of me, lets talk about parts cars. 1. What is a “parts car”? Going back to my first post, let me recap our policy for listing a parts car. First, a parts car is a vehicle that cannot be driven and will be broken down into components and used to repair or modify other vehicles. Parts cars cannot be used for transportation. If a vehicle can be driven or if it can be repaired, rebuilt, or restored it cannot be listed in the Parts Car category. Recently, sellers started referring to their road-worthy cars and their repairable cars as “parts cars” and listing them in the Parts Car category. As these vehicles can be used for transportation, for Trust and Safety and buyer protection reasons, we are obligated to end these of listings and ask sellers to relist in the Cars & Trucks category. 2. Why can’t I describe the title in my parts car listing? See our Government ID policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/government-ids-licenses.html. Sellers can only describe title, or other comparable ownership documents, if they are listing a functional vehicle. Because functional vehicles aren’t allowed in the Parts Car category, sellers cannot describe title in their parts car listings. In the Parts Car category we restrict discussion of title to protect buyers and sellers. The Cars & Trucks category is the appropriate category to describe title. For those sellers who think that a description of title is important information for bidders, they should list their cars in the Cars & Trucks category. Motors shoppers who are looking for transportation deserve and expect the protection that we offer in the Cars & Trucks category. These protections include Vehicle Purchase Protection and listing formats that insure the accuracy of title, vehicle description, and VIN data. Sellers also benefit, for instance recently a dealer in Tennessee was unknowingly trying to sell a car that was flooded during Katrina, our VIN check alerted us, and in turn we were able to warn the seller before he sold the car. 3. If the high bid my car is only going to be a couple hundred dollars, can’t I just call it a “parts car” and save on the Motors flat fees? Unfortunately, no. I know that the costs and complexities of listing a vehicle in the Cars & Trucks category might not meet the needs of every vehicle seller, but barring the unusual, the value of any vehicle listed in the Cars & Trucks category will greatly benefit from enhanced bidder confidence and a greater search exposure, than a vehicle listed in another category. Thanks everyone, and sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to touch on everyone’s comments and concerns. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, McB
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Feb 15, 2007 01:25 PM
"Unfortunately, my first post is no longer on the board" Hmmmm, Guess somebody reported it for inappropriate Content" Or possibly you inadverently warned somebody about a scam auction! And the moderator's pulled it. Check your e-mail for a message . Image hosting by Photobucket >Know Jesus! No Fear!....No Jesus! Know Fear!<




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Feb 15, 2007 01:27 PM
roflmao, i see you did notice it!!!
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Feb 15, 2007 01:32 PM
I just wonder how this one got pulled and there are still some from 3 1/2 years ago!!! Still on here!! Just curious! a response is not necessary;) But, Thanks anyway for getting right back with us!! Good thing business's don't rely on your promptness. . Image hosting by Photobucket >Know Jesus! No Fear!....No Jesus! Know Fear!<




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Feb 15, 2007 01:32 PM
you must be right j, a search of posts from mcb@paypal.com shows only this one since jan 1, 06.

mcb, you've been a bad boy. better pink slap yourself right now.
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Feb 15, 2007 01:34 PM
Well maybe Jan 1 06 till Feb 15 07 is only a month in E-Bay time! . Image hosting by Photobucket >Know Jesus! No Fear!....No Jesus! Know Fear!<




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Feb 15, 2007 02:01 PM
Maybe it is just me, but I would think these scam sellers and auctions should be taking priority, instead of worrying about, how parts cars are listed by honest legitimate sellers.

http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfortzabanele00

Oh the numerious porn photos listed on the parts car auctions weekly also need some attention ;) Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

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Feb 15, 2007 02:08 PM
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Feb 15, 2007 02:15 PM
MCB What is Ebay's position on listings in the parts car category, where the vehicle is shown , yet the description states " this auction is for the gas cap only". "Email me for specific parts"

There are many of these auctions were the seller is listing in this manner and "parting out" the various vehicle parts Off Ebay.

I would think, this is fee circumvision?

When reported the auctions remain and contine for months at a time, despite being reported.

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Feb 15, 2007 02:18 PM
Yea Cool Boy, but my finger is getting tired hitting the "Report this Auction" button on these Scam auctions:^O

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Feb 15, 2007 03:06 PM
Geez, I thought we might get an exhange of ideas and a good discussion regarding EBMs on this thread. Guess our Pink had other things to do;) Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

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Feb 15, 2007 03:14 PM
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Feb 15, 2007 04:11 PM
So......I guess folks who live in states where it is illegal to sell any car, whether parts car or not, without a title are SOL, eh?


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic" - Benjamin Franklin

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Feb 15, 2007 04:46 PM
OP. Thank You For Stopping By.

Is there any possibility you could schedule a Motors Board Q&A session?

Im sure it would have Great Attendance From The Board

Thank You.

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Feb 15, 2007 06:38 PM
salez4u: Thanks for the help, and thanks to anyone else that assisted. They are putting them up by the thousands. There are close to 10,000+ scam auto listings up right now. I need a break, so going to watch some tv....:)


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Feb 15, 2007 06:40 PM
Moderators/Pinks= a joke!
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Feb 15, 2007 06:41 PM
How many moderators does it take......(finish the line)
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Feb 16, 2007 06:16 AM
As someone who would normally want to buy a car that is operable I would get tired of going through listings for cars that don't run but with only 10k put in could be road worthy again. There are a lot of cars that could run again with enough work. I mean that car the Doggie posted the other day, the burned one, might be made roadworthy again with enough money. So I guess something like that would be listed in running cars since it might run again. Most cars could be road worthy with enough money and time put in. So I guess most cars can't be parts cars. At what point do you decide that something will never be driveable again? I don't know. Guess sellers should be safe and list all cars as cars not parts cars.


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Feb 16, 2007 07:03 AM
Sellers also benefit, for instance recently a dealer in Tennessee was unknowingly trying to sell a car that was flooded during Katrina, LOL ok now I am a TN dealer I can tell you starit up, that dealer knew TN brands all rebuilt cars and even has a different title for water branded cars. Your system didnt tell that seller squat his rebuilt title clearly stated WATER for sure. SRy to inform you but your VIN# check is not all you make it out to be
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Feb 16, 2007 07:13 AM
MCB

Just wondering when or if EBM is going to revamp the "Report This Auction" menu options for EBM?

Most of the menu drop down options do not correctly reflect the hundreds of listing violations or scenarios.

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Feb 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Good Morning everyone, thanks for your comments. Here is some feedback and perspective. 1.j-ainc – I asked the moderator why my earlier posts were deleted and they said that they were cleaning up the board and removing old posts, I guess mine got caught up in the cleaning frenzy. 2.salez4u – You raise a good point about fee circumvention, but it’s a problem that isn’t just specific to the Parts Car category. In my post I’m trying to touch on issues that are only a problem in this category. On your second point about reporting listing violations. You can always use Live Chat if you see something that needs to be reviewed urgently. Also, you can go into My Messages in My eBay, then in the Contacts box on the left side, there is a link to “Contact Us”. You will have to go through a flow describing the issue, but you will be given a chance to email customer support. 3.mopared – You’ve raise a point that a lot of folks are misunderstanding. Our policy only says you can’t mention title in your listing, obviously if your state or the buyer’s state required a title to transfer ownership then you will need to make arrangements to provide the buyer title. If you feel that a discussion or description of title in the listing is essential for the successful sale of the vehicle, then you need to list in the Cars & Truck category. 4.Jake-deals-4u – Are you asking me to schedule a live Motors Board Q&A? If this is something you are interested in shoot me an email at mcb@paypal.com. I’ve never thought about it and never done it, so it would take a bit of research and effort to put something together. 5.bobsclassicars – I know members get sort of frustrated with the “Pinks” coming and going. Let me just say, I’m not a board moderator or monitor. What I think you can expect from me, is every now and then to post a message on an important issue and then to follow up for a week or so to make sure I answer everyone’s questions. Remember, Pinks work the boards on a voluntary basis, my boss is watching me this morning and wondering why I’m not working on that marketing issue! 6.drunken*rain*goddess – You are correct. 7.hondas4you – Each state has different brands, some states don’t have "flood" brands, only salvage. Since the disaster, the Motors team has taken the lead in the industry in protecting buyers and sellers from inadvertently trading in flooded cars. We have all but prevented non disclosed Katrina flood damaged cars from being traded on eBay. Everyone have a great holiday weekend, and I’ll see you all again next Tuesday. Cheers, McB
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Feb 16, 2007 10:13 AM
If a vehicle can be driven or if it can be repaired, rebuilt, or restored it cannot be listed in the Parts Car category. any car can be made roodworthy again with time and $$ i have seen cars with bent frames and crushed bodies still drive. not econmoicly feasible to repair them and so they are parts cars.... but you say they are not? i have heard of cars that have burnt to the ground being restored.... i guess that those are out too car with a crushed front clip can have a new one swaped so i guess thats rebuildable why are you REALY getting rid of the parts car catagory your above reason is pure BS.


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Feb 16, 2007 10:29 AM
one of the regulars here has a bussness selling nothing but parts cars these cars are totaly unknown to him.. he does not know if they run or not what mechanical problems they might have ofthen they are damaged from theft or accidents to the extent that only a professional might beable to economicaly repair them and put them back on the road... for the most part they are jsut metal and intended by him to be dismantled to me They are what a parts car is. somthign that is intended for dismantaling yet if you have the time and $$ and the desire you could refurbish them. since any car can be restored given time and money and equipment I fail to see why they should be excluded for the catagory unless EBAY WANTS TO ELIMINATE IT a live answer and chat session for our ebay motors is just the thing we would love to have in fact ill create a sign up thread to show interst. please give a hour so everyone can have a question asked and answered preferabley two


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Feb 16, 2007 11:21 AM
Thank You McB.

Yes i think that a live Q&A for the motors board would be a good idea & a benefit for EBM.

My major concern is the my perception & witnessing of many BOGUS listings recently.

Since you are directly involved with fraud prevention, maybe you could explain why on the main eBay site there seems to be filters that catch commonly used phrases & sequences of sentences used by scammers, Yet on EBM the same scam automotive based listings that appear to contain the same verbage repeatedly, over & over?

I cant understand why, when scam listings are removed, they pop rite up again with the exact same verbage?

Thank you! Ol' Jake Square.

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