Skip to main content
eBay

Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?

(1 of 8)
Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 19, 2011 12:01 PM
The way I understand it, if a farmer finds a 5,000 year old stone axe on his property, he's not allowed to call it "American Indian" or "Native American" or list it under Indian categories UNLESS he knows the name of the tribe and the name of the Indian who made it 5,000 years ago!

I recently put up a silver Indian bracelet that looked very old because the profuse symbols were not stamped but rather hand cut into the metal. I guessed it was southwest American and maybe Navajo. It could have easily been 50 to 100 years old but was told that I should list it under "Western Americana" along with the Gene Autry flashlights and cowboy hats because I did not know the name of the Indian maker.

What doesn't make any sense regardless of whether it's before or after 1935 (2 ebay Indian categories) is the fact that very few true Indian artifacts are signed. I've seen almost no signed baskets regardless of age so that means no matter how obvious that it's made by an Indian, I can't list it under "Native American" because I don't know the name of the maker.

This rule is also very inviting to forgers because it's very easy to put a forged name on a piece of jewelry or pottery and make the claim that it's by a certain Indian maker like Marie Martinez of the San Ildefonso pueblo. Anyone can scratch the name "Marie" on the bottom of an old black on black bowl and then according to eBay rules (last time I heard) list it under "Native American" or call it "American Indian".
Starting May 1—get up to 2,500 FREE listings* every month with an eBay Stores subscription

eBay has reduced the upfront cost to sell for Store sellers! With eBay’s new everyday rate plans, you get from up to 150 to 2,500 FREE listings* per month—no insertion fees, auction-style or fixed price—with an eBay Stores subscription. You pay a final value fee only when you sell! Plus, the final value fees for Stores have been streamlined to just 5 competitive category-based rates as low as 4%—and never more than 9%—regardless of how you sell.

Learn more about everything eBay Stores have to offer, then use the Fee Illustrator to find the best Store option for you! Watch this tutorial to learn how.

*Pay no insertion fees for your allotted free listings per calendar month. Optional fees, including advanced listing upgrades and supplemental service fees, still apply. Pay final value fees only when you sell. Motors Vehicles, Real Estate, Heavy Equipment, Concession Trailers & Carts, Imaging & Aesthetics Equipment and Commercial Printing Presses are excluded. 12 free pictures does not apply to Motors Vehicles listings. Terms are subject to change. Learn more.

Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?

(7 Replies / 529 Views)
Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 19, 2011 12:01 PM
The way I understand it, if a farmer finds a 5,000 year old stone axe on his property, he's not allowed to call it "American Indian" or "Native American" or list it under Indian categories UNLESS he knows the name of the tribe and the name of the Indian who made it 5,000 years ago!

I recently put up a silver Indian bracelet that looked very old because the profuse symbols were not stamped but rather hand cut into the metal. I guessed it was southwest American and maybe Navajo. It could have easily been 50 to 100 years old but was told that I should list it under "Western Americana" along with the Gene Autry flashlights and cowboy hats because I did not know the name of the Indian maker.

What doesn't make any sense regardless of whether it's before or after 1935 (2 ebay Indian categories) is the fact that very few true Indian artifacts are signed. I've seen almost no signed baskets regardless of age so that means no matter how obvious that it's made by an Indian, I can't list it under "Native American" because I don't know the name of the maker.

This rule is also very inviting to forgers because it's very easy to put a forged name on a piece of jewelry or pottery and make the claim that it's by a certain Indian maker like Marie Martinez of the San Ildefonso pueblo. Anyone can scratch the name "Marie" on the bottom of an old black on black bowl and then according to eBay rules (last time I heard) list it under "Native American" or call it "American Indian".
Last Post
by thelmasstuff (1415 ) View Listings
(1 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 20, 2011 05:08 AM
OP,

If you truly believe your bracelet is 50-100 years old then you need to have it professionally appraised. .
This way you will know for sure the tribe, and if it is of any value, and not a recently made tourist item.
I commend eBay for their staunch ruling on this.
There's nothing more depressing than searching for genuine antique items, only to be confronted with hundreds of re-produced fakes.
(2 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 22, 2011 09:38 AM
Well, maybe there is one thing equally depressing, finding a nicely made piece of jewelry made sometime during the mid to early 20th century and rather than be able to market it to a willing audience it has to go to smelt.

The cost effectiveness of having most of this type of item "professionally appraised" weighs heavily in favor of the "professional appraiser" being the only one to profit.

I know that this won't/can't happen but it's too bad that there weren't rules that would exclude poorly photographed items from being listed. If a person can't learn how to properly photograph and describe their items then they should be selling at a flea market where their clients at least have the opportunity to hold the merchandise.

.
(3 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 24, 2011 06:30 PM

I know that this won't/can't happen but it's too bad that there weren't rules that would exclude poorly photographed items from being listed. If a person can't learn how to properly photograph and describe their items then they should be selling at a flea market where their clients at least have the opportunity to hold the merchandise.

.


There's natural selection at work there, though. Badly photographed stuff doesn't sell for as much. I've picked up some good deals from taking a chance on blurry photographs :-)


All know the way, but few follow it.

(4 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 21, 2012 06:30 PM

I would recommend the excellent clarifying article here: http://reviews.ebay.com/Native-American-Selling?ugid=10000000015462144

(5 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 21, 2012 06:57 PM

 

Absolutely Correct!  Bad photography has brought me some good deals.  On the other hand, I have made bad purchases where the pictures have been excellent and I assumed they were bad.  :O  Glare:  It'll get you every time!  :))


Pay attention. China is going to win it all!

(6 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 21, 2012 07:00 PM

Hmm.. .   I was trying to quote Maha-Sam-Atman- 

 

Not sure just what happened there.  ?:|


Pay attention. China is going to win it all!

(7 of 7)
Re: Does eBay still have strange rules regarding Indian relics and art?
Jun 28, 2012 07:24 AM

Why would something "have to go to smelt" just because you can't sell it on Ebay?  There are dozens of other venues available that don't have Ebay's rules!  That's just silly.

Historical Memorabilia Discussion Highlights and Additional Resources
New Historical Name Game
Genealogy Corner
Militaria Collector's Corner
Historical names trivia game
This Day In History
Collectibles Selling Guide
To the top