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drisco2004
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Wooden bullet Tip

Feb 2, 2006 7:33 PM
Looking for some information. I have a wooden tipped bullet from World War 2. My father was in the Army and brought back a trunk of items. Any ideas why it wood have a wooden tip? He served throught Germany and Europe over a 4 year period. Thanks!
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denros1
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Feb 2, 2006 11:41 PM
Back a long time ago when I was a kid, my older brother managed to get a German rifle round that had a wooden bullet. Supposely, toward the end of the war the German military had a difficult time supplying traditional bullets and resorted to wooden substitutes. Now, maybe they were used only for training rounds on the range or maybe they were used in combat. I vaguely recall reading of a soldier that was hit in the cheek by wooden bullet fragments, but can't for the life of me remember the name of the book.
Not much help, but I have seen them.
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springfld.arsenal
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Feb 3, 2006 1:17 AM
You haven't described it too fully as to size, but if it is about 7.92mm diameter, it is probably for a German rifle and machine gun blank cartridge.

The "running out of materials at the end of the war" is a common myth. The wooden bullet disintegrates immediately on leaving the muzzle of the weapon and was not intended to be lethal.

If it is about 20mm diameter, it is for a blank cartridge for the German Flak 38 20mm gun.

If a soldier was hit by wooden fragments, they probably came from some wood near him that was hit by something else.

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Feb 3, 2006 12:30 PM
In this reference, paragraphs (d) and (h) refer to rifle-grenade launching blanks with wooden bullets. The reference is the US Army's WWII guide to German military equipment and can be considered authoritative.

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Feb 3, 2006 7:56 PM
Well, ya learn something everyday!
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iwanit222
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Feb 4, 2006 4:29 AM
Heres a pic of some .303 wooden tipped dummy bullets I have .the cases are drilled on these ones and they were used for practice
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drisco2004
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Feb 5, 2006 8:26 PM
Thank you for all the great info. There is no hole drilled into the ones I have. does this mean there it is still live ammo?
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Feb 5, 2006 9:45 PM
>does this mean there it is still live ammo?

Check and see if the primer has a firing pin indent or not. If not it may be live. You can also shake it and usually hear or feel powder grains inside. Or you can pull the wood bullet out and see what's in the case-it is not dangerous to do so.

You said you had a wood bullet but now it seems like you have a rifle cartridge with a wooden bullet in it.

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Feb 6, 2006 6:04 AM
It looks exactly like the ones pictured above. Any value to them?
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Feb 6, 2006 6:25 PM
>It looks exactly like the ones pictured above. Any value to them?

Would have to see clear photo of the headstamp to see whether it is a rare cartridge. The headstamp is to a cartridge collector as the face of a coin is to the numismatist (is that a word?) trying to say coin collector. You are saying your cartridge is a dime, and I am asking what mint, what date, mercury, Ike, ???

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jonmoore050
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May 6, 2007 10:45 AM
In the Cadet Force in the 1960s, we used bulleted blank for the Bren guns. The muzzle had a metal 'half-moon' welded across it to splinter the wooden bullets, which were required to get the pressure to automatically re-cock the breech block. You didn't stand within some 20 foot of the muzzle, as the splinters went everywhere.
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everythingisart
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May 6, 2007 11:59 AM
Jon,

I can't for the life of me figure out what they were thinking.

Perhaps one of your guys should have shot a letter to Aberdeen or Rock Island and asked about a "blank firing device" and put those welders and lumberjacks to work on some other detail.

By any chance, did your field gear have a pouch for "tweezers, metal, splinter extraction device" or some equivalent?
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everythingisart
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May 6, 2007 12:02 PM
I believe the Germans also used that type of blank for their 98k grenade launcher and for this reason they command a premium on the collectors market, once again as Springfield points out, dependant upon the headstamp.
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ericthesly
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Jul 6, 2008 3:13 PM
You may find they had another use. Most all known wooden bullets have rounded noses. It has been theroized, but not proven, that the German and Japanese troops used round nose wooden bullets during crowd control in occupied areas. They wanted to kill troops and subdue the populace. The wooden bullets would either mostly splint or would lose velocity resulting in minor to no injuries, but had a nice effect on riotous groups. Most of the early 7.62 grenade blanks (such as those used to fire grenades from a Yugo SKS) had flat nosed plugs designed to "push" the grenade pan rather than "slam" it. Of course shortly after they found out how to use paper wadding in a crimped tip blank to acheive the same effect. It all seems to depend on the rifle it was used in and what purpose that particular bullet was designed for. Either way, they are considered pretty rare. Esspecially if they are live and chambered to a weapon that is also rare. The right collector might pay big to add them to their collection. I know I would pay huge money (by comparison of value) for a blank firing apparatus for my Russian SVT-40.
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