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HELMET LAWS

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HELMET LAWS
Oct 7, 2007 03:32 PM
how many bikers(and motorcyclists) out there are in favor of manditory helmet laws?how many are opposed?does anyone know any other country in the world where it is legal to ride without a helmet????
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 22, 2011 03:03 PM
79.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot....

99.999% of the time you can get by without wearing a helmet...

Take a turn and spin the wheel, you never know when that .001% will be the winning spin....

Look we have a winner, an all expense paid permanent vacation to Valhalla....

Step right up and claim your prize.....

....and remember your next chance to spin and win will be at a time of your choosing....

That's all for now folks.........
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 14, 2011 03:12 AM
Good Grief.
For petes sake.
For crying out loud.

It's an expression that means more than the individual words, get it? ;)
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 12, 2011 07:31 PM
I understand what THEY were saying,


BUT- Good "grief"? grief is good?
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 1, 2011 01:01 AM
OK, got it. No helmet for me, it won't do any good if my upper torso is run over. Good argument.

Last I checked 65% of motorcycle fatalities were helmeted.

That settles it, helmets are obviously really bad news.

Good grief.....
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Apr 25, 2011 02:48 PM
About 20 years or so ago the local news here were all reporting the death of a cyclist and made constant references to the fact that he was not wearing a helmet.

A car pulled out in front of this guy, he locked the brakes and went down, skidded into the oncoming lane and his upper torso and head were run over by a loaded dump truck full of gravel, which of course killed him instantly in a pretty gruesome manner.

Not one word from the press about the ignorant fool who caused this but plenty about lack fo a helmet including a TV interview with a state trooper who "can't stress enough the value of wearing protective headgear".
It could be iffy, but my feeling is that not too many helmets will stand up under 15 tons of loaded dump truck and would have done nothing for the upper torso. ;)
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Apr 23, 2011 01:02 PM
Howdy folks....

Just stirrin up the pot....


Isn't it ironic that there are those in societies that proclaim to be pro-choice when it comes to a woman's right to choose in some matters but feel obliged to not give the same ideas of choice when it comes to whether or not an adult person wishes to wear a helmet....
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Jun 1, 2009 05:02 PM
Last I checked 65% of motorcycle fatalities were helmeted.

Face it you hit something at 40+ miles per hour, a bucket on yer head ain't gonna help much!
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 26, 2009 06:56 AM
I've been riding for nearly 50 years. When I'm in a State where the law permits me to remove my helmet, I 'sometimes' do so. Not always, but occasionally. I DO like to have the choice. I'm not so sure I agree with the bit about insurance companies having the ability to deny a claim for "Willful Negligence" as I have found that if an insurance company has an 'out'....they're gonna use it, no matter what the facts are!! (and that's another whole discussion unto itself!!!) But, while I do favor choice, I also remember the words of someone I once met in a cycle shop, who simply said:

"A man who doesn't know the value of his helmet doesn't know the value of his head!!"

A pretty profound statement! But then I also agree that just getting on the motorcycle and entering into traffic is a risk in an of itself......so.....let's face it, if you're a rider, you're a risk-taker. And, the odds are most likely against you in most any kind of crash. So, the helmet only increases the chances of getting lucky and NOT being so badly injured or killed...but it's no guarantee.

I think insurance companies should NOT have an 'out' for helmetless riding.....and now that I'm reading this, I'll go back and check w/ my company to see if they have such a clause in my policy. Perhaps I'll change carriers.

No matter what the law, I will forever enjoy the feeling of removing my helmet on a gorgeous day and just enjoying the feeling of the wind through my hair (or what's left of it). But, I still fear the consequences of a crash without my helmet being on my head.....so, I wear the thing in spite of my desire not to. Just seems to make sense to me. But, I still think that the choice should be mine....so I object to the laws on general principal.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 25, 2009 03:59 PM
> 91xv920rh "Agreed. As long as the insurance company has the right to deny payment due to willful negligence on behalf of the rider.
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> That way it doesn't jack up MY rates to pay for those death benefits or long term care that may have been prevented.
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> Dress for the crash, not the ride "
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> That's a real ignorant and stupid thought you just posted. The only thing that needs to be "Jacked up" a notch is your IQ. There's more people that need long term care from car accidents then motorcycles. Also, shootings and stabbings and general violence in the big cities account for more trauma incidents than motorcyclist....If you think that helmet is going to help you in most accidents you are fooling your self....Check your stats before you post such ignorance......and for the record I wear a helmet
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Re: HELMET LAWS
May 13, 2009 05:30 PM
All I know is I wear my helmet ALL the time and Always will

A cool video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfNfh9kpgM&feature=channel_page!!!

;)
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Apr 16, 2009 09:43 AM
Getting on the bike in the first place puts you in more danger than deciding to not wear a helmet.

I wear a helmet. I think it's a bit lame to demand others wear one so that all can be as safe as possible.

Walk if that's your concern.

There was a discussion on another board about adding a 3rd brake light to a classic car.

I find it a bit ironic that the guy driving around in a car without safety glass, has 4 wheel drum single unit brakes. metal dashboards and no seatbelts are concerned about a third brake light.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 29, 2009 02:18 PM
Helmets are a GREAT piece of equipment but the lack of using one does not make you a criminal. Just a teeny change. Helmets are a GREAT piece of equipment but the lack of using one should not make you a criminal. As some states have determined lack of one is against the law.


++++ “Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.” Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 28, 2009 10:51 AM
Well said Joe, you always put things (I am trying to say in an obtuse fashion) so clearly.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 28, 2009 07:22 AM
This entire personal safety thing is a bit like wag the dog.

As a society we got much larger, heavier and dangerous vehicles on the road driven by incompetent people than motorcycles. Vehicles and drivers that have the potential for much great physical harm to others.

Just check the NYC local news for 2 recent tragedies involving cars (van) running over pedestrians.

Why are we worrying about motorcycle riders when there's much more dangerous things to the public to be concerned about?

I'll tell you my opinion why - it's because politicians find this helmet topic as a very good PR stunt - plain and simple. Pick on a small group of highly visible citizens and treat them how the rest of society wrongly believes they should be treated and there you have it....

Politics, pure and simple. It's not because you're neighbor smoked in bed and his burning house is threatening your home. It's because John Politician is running for office and needs publicity and the appearance that they're capable of actually doing something.

If you're going to deny people health care based on their behavior you've got a lot more policing to do than motorcycle helmets. This is a crazy idea/notion that has been exploited by politicians since I can remember. Helmets are a GREAT piece of equipment but the lack of using one does not make you a criminal.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 28, 2009 01:12 AM
Then it makes sense to wear protection, right? It doesn't make sense to get on the bike in the first place. But it is a choice you make because your desires are stronger then common sense - it is worth the risk of 34x more likely to die. Same with a helmet. Like you choosing to a ride a motorcycle increasing your chances of dying in an accident, I choose not to wear one for the same reason you choose to ride. I enjoy it. I don't enjoy riding with a bucket on my head.



How do you bury an Evo? With a Shovel

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 09:44 PM
Like choosing to ride something that you're 8x more likely to get hurt and 34x more likely to die if you get into an accident? Remember this data? Then it makes sense to wear protection, right? You'd think you'd learn from these people's mishaps that made those statistics, but no, you choose to ride a motorcycle. According to your statement above, sounds like Darwin is knocking on your door. Handled explosives for 20+ years. Reload my own ammo. Ride motorcycles. Some things in life are more dangerous than others. Then again, common sense and training have help me make it the far side of 50 without losing any major components. Luck and protective gear has helped in cases as well. But, hey, increase your exposure in an already dangerous undertaking because you can't wear a one pound lid....


++++ “Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.” Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 08:50 PM
testing, please ignore spike


***** Disclaimer: I am not impersonating the everfamous boardie bwxspike. I am not now, nor have I in the past tried to convince anyone that I am her.

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 07:48 PM
Darwin would take care of those that cannot learn from other peoples' mishaps Like choosing to ride something that you're 8x more likely to get hurt and 34x more likely to die if you get into an accident? Remember this data? You'd think you'd learn from these people's mishaps that made those statistics, but no, you choose to ride a motorcycle. According to your statement above, sounds like Darwin is knocking on your door.



How do you bury an Evo? With a Shovel

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 06:41 PM
This is one of the best helmets I have ever owned (he said while opening up another can of worms :) ) Who cares if it says H-D? It is light, comfortable and DOT approved (same as yours). What can be wrong with that? Not a dang thang........... I was just having a little fun with the whole Harley trademark thing while pointing out to the "ALL HARLEY ALL THE TIME" guy that there are actually lightweight alternatives.... With the mandatory HD symbol as a bonus! Like you, I don't think we should have mandatory helmet laws. I agree we should have the freedom to take part in all types of risky activities should we so choose, if we choose that. Funny thing is we agree on this very point.... I don't think there should be a law (except perhaps for younguns who haven't learned common sense yet). There shouldn't have to be a law. Darwin would take care of those that cannot learn from other peoples' mishaps. But don't expect me to be happy when your 10mph endo ends up cracking you grape on a curb and MY premiums are impacted AND the local cops get a little more picky.


++++ “Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.” Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 03:59 PM
Sure. I'd rather see them drive around an accident then to drive into one with a helmet.



How do you bury an Evo? With a Shovel

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 03:49 PM
For ALL drivers, though, right? And random retesting when you renew your license every 5 years, perhaps.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 03:42 PM
There is only a problem when others start insisting people to do what they think is best for the other person's own good. Adults can make their own decision. Possibly more training and harder proficiency testing to get a license.



How do you bury an Evo? With a Shovel

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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 03:37 PM
Yep, I'm still glad I'm in Alberta and not BC, although Ontario is even worse.
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Re: HELMET LAWS
Mar 27, 2009 03:03 PM
So, Greatvibe, tell me the solution, then. I know I don't have it. Do you have one?
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