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Yamaha Vmax problem
May 21, 2007 02:17 PM
I hope any of you fellow Max owners can help me with this. I have a '93 Max, and up until just the other day, had no problems with it. I rode it to/from work Friday, and it started fine. Then, about an hour later I tried to start it and the starter button just clicked and everything went dead. No lights, etc. I removed the seat and with the key turned on, and in neutral, was just messing with the wires under the seat and must have jiggled something that had a bad connection. The lights came back on again, and when i tried to hit the starter button again, the same thing happened: click and everything dead again. Now I can't get it to reset again by jiggling any wires at all, etc. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Daryl
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Yamaha Vmax problem

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Yamaha Vmax problem
May 21, 2007 02:17 PM
I hope any of you fellow Max owners can help me with this. I have a '93 Max, and up until just the other day, had no problems with it. I rode it to/from work Friday, and it started fine. Then, about an hour later I tried to start it and the starter button just clicked and everything went dead. No lights, etc. I removed the seat and with the key turned on, and in neutral, was just messing with the wires under the seat and must have jiggled something that had a bad connection. The lights came back on again, and when i tried to hit the starter button again, the same thing happened: click and everything dead again. Now I can't get it to reset again by jiggling any wires at all, etc. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Daryl
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(1 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
May 21, 2007 04:14 PM
Battery?

Loose connector?

Loose ground?


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(2 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
May 22, 2007 03:23 AM
Check the above. Then also check the battery voltage. Batteries sometimes fail internally when a plate connection fails. When this happens the circuit opens and you will have no voltage at the terminals. If you do not have a voltmeter, hook up a charger, if you have no current flow, amps on the charger, the battery is more than likely the culprit. You may have jiggled the battery and caused a momentary connection.
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Yamaha Vmax problem
May 22, 2007 07:21 AM
Hey guys, thanks for the suggestions. Just an update, last nite I did completely remove the battery, disconnected all connectors, checked over all the wires, and then put everything back together again. I turned the key on, and everything came on like normal. Hit the starter button, and everything went dead again! So frustrating! I think it's something in the ignition, maybe the coil? Starter solenoid? Would that cause everything to go dead tho? The battery appears to be brand new! Thanks!
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Yamaha Vmax problem
May 22, 2007 08:23 AM
Hit the starter button, and everything went dead again! So frustrating! There are relays in the ignitions system. If the battery is not up to snuff the load from the starter drains the power... relays disengage.... everything goes black. I think it's something in the ignition, Manual says make sure you have a good battery before checking this. maybe the coil? Manual says make sure you have a good battery before checking this too. Starter solenoid? Manual says make sure you have a good battery before checking this, also. Would that cause everything to go dead tho? Battery. The battery appears to be brand new! Looks are deceiving. How old is it? 1993? 2003? Any more than a few years old and it can fail at any time. Does it take a charge? You charged since your problems started, right? Do you have a local parts place that will test it? Have you checked it for proper voltage?


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(5 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
Jan 28, 2008 11:20 AM
Somewhere in the owners manual should be a topic about troubleshooting. For example, certain lights come on when the starters engaged.The dash above the gas tank.
When some of those lights come on or off its can suggest problems to check.

If your going to take your seat off and remove the battery try this next time, apparently on your positive cable there should be electrical tape put there by the factory. unravel the tape. There should be a crimp there joining more than one wire together. Solder this connection. This helps keep your battery charged longer and stronger. This is a tip I believe from Mad Max.
(6 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
Jun 3, 2008 12:20 AM
Hi,

I don't know if this will help your problem but I keep meaning to post this incase it helps someone - I had very similar symptoms with my '98 and managed to sort it with some kitchen foil...

The problem I had was that after giving it a 'good run' on the motorway, the bike would just cut-out after I'd been sitting at the traffic lights for a few seconds - so, not cutting out as I'd throttled down on the slip road but a few seconds after I'd stopped. I would then try to restart only to get exactly the same symptoms you've got.

Couldn't figure it out so called the RAC and the guy found the indicator fuse had blown - changed it and everything worked fine again! (Weird.) Next day, same thing happened in exactly the same place - this time I knew what to look for so changed the indicator fuse straight away only this time it didn't solve it. Eventually got recovered back to a Yamaha garage - they finally got round to looking at it later in the day and it started first turn of the key (frustration setting in!).

I got to thinking that it might be related to heat as it was cutting out once I'd stopped after a motorway run - fine on the motorway cos of the airflow but once you've stopped... Can't remember why I thought of it but given that the battery is so close to the rear exhaust manifold, wondered if the heat was soaking through and causing the problem. Looked at heat insulation kits but didn't want to spend £80 unless I could be sure it would solve the problem, so.... I took the battery case right out, wrapped it in kitchen foil and put it all back together - haven't had the problem since. Can only think that the heat was somehow bending the plates in the battery and causing it to short (perhaps the indicator fuse is the first in line from the battery?). By the way, the battery looked in perfect condition externally.

The first time I called the RAC out I was sat waiting for a couple of hours before he changed the fuse and it started - I reckon it had cooled-down which is why when I quickly changed the fuse next time, it didn't work because it hadn't cooled-down. Also would explain why it started first time at the garage.

Anyway, everything runs perfectly now so best £ZERO I ever spent!

Don't know if this helps you but will hopefully help someone. Will get round to posting this on other forums soon.... Chris.
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Yamaha Vmax problem
Jul 17, 2008 11:29 AM
Don't know if this is the fix, but worth a try!! Found this on a custom Vmax bike builder site.

THE PROBLEM: When attempting to fire up the motor, the motor will turn over slowly several times - and eventually fire. Another symptom is battery charging - many people will keep these bikes on chargers to maintain the proper voltage to the battery because the bike usually starts right up when the voltage is peaked. So - it may appear that the battery is old, dead, etc.. usually owners will replaced the battery - and find that this doesn't fix the problem. Consequently - when riding the bike you may notice the that battery will drain, so that after a few hours of riding - the motorcycle won't start.

We chased down this issue, beginning with the starter - it didn't fix it. We ran tests on the electrical system - everything passed. We looked at the battery, it was charging, but draining when in use.

Finally we looked at the regulator/rectifier under the left rear passenger peg. On earlier model V-Max's, the regulator/rectifier is much different than the later model. The new model is much more heat tolerant and has a ground that connects directly to the negative battery post. The older model appears to be an inferior design that adversely affects the charging system. Consequently - a bad rectifier will fool the tech into thinking that the battery is charging - when it isn't charging under normal usage (when the motor is under sustained - running load) The V-Max charges when not under a load (under 2000 rpm); However - when an engine load is applied to the motor (above 2000rpm), the battery will drain.

THE FIX: We replaced the stock 1985 regulator/rectifier with a regulator with a regulator/rectifier from a 1997 model. The bike fires up instantly - and - runs like it should because the correct amount of voltage is passing through the system when the motorcycle is running. If you've beaten your self up trying to find the solution to this issue, check out the newer model regulator/rectifier. (SECRET TIP = 1996-2003 year model regulator/rectifier. (part number 3JP-81960-01-00).
(8 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
Sep 14, 2008 04:05 PM
I am currently having a very similar problem.

As long as I keep the engine RPM's up the bike will keep running. If I stop at a light and don't keep the throttle turned, the engine dies and won't restart (clicking sound). I can push start the bike, but I have to keep the engine RPM's up once I get it started or it will die again.

I replaced the battery - didn't fix it.

I replaced the regulator/rectifier - didn't fix it.

Today I have pulled apart half of my electrical system and I don't see any problems anywhere. Everything looks great. I soldered the crimped connections on both the positive AND negative leads from the rectifier to their points of termination. I am adding a "bonding" ground from the negative terminal of battery to where the grounds attach to the frame. I don't really know what else to do.

Does anyone know how to test the regulator/rectifier?
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Yamaha Vmax problem
Sep 15, 2008 05:54 PM
OK, soldered everything I could find. Problem still persists.

I am getting 72 volts out of the generator from all three "pairs" of leads with engine at 5000 rpm's. I've replaced everything, done redundant grounding, soldered everything I could find.

I might start shooting at it with assault rifles.

My '05 limited edition Vmax seems to be completely and utterly useless. I can't drive the thing or it runs the battery down. It'll keep putting along if I keep engine RPM's up, but God forbid there be a stop sign or traffic. I had planned on buying a second Yamaha (an R1), but Yamaha can forget getting any more of my business after all the trouble I've had with the Vmax (Handling, electrical issues, failed water pump, WOBBLE, etc). My advice is DON'T buy a Vmax.
(10 of 11)
Yamaha Vmax problem
Sep 16, 2008 12:24 PM
Wow, 72 volts AC should be more than enough to keep the battery charged and the bike running smoothly. Each bike has a specific method for checking a regulator rectifier and this is in the manual.
A voltmeter set on DC volts and placed on the battery terminals with the bike running should read anywhere from 13.5 volts to 14.5 volts. After the checks you have done on the 3 phase alternator for AC, if you do not have the DC at the terminals I would be suspect of the new regulator rectifier and try to borrow a known good one to try in its place.
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Yamaha Vmax problem
Sep 16, 2008 02:16 PM
I'll give ya 50 bucks for scrap metal. That is a heavy bike.
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