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Advice on buying Ebay musical instruments/warnings!
Feb 20, 2003 11:57 AM
I just wanted to toss out a some pointers to those thinking about buying musical instruments online/with Ebay.

1) Check the feedback of the seller. This is important! Look at the negative feedback and try to determine what the problems were with seller/items before bidding. Make sure you're dealing with a seller that accepts criticism without getting hostile. I've noticed lots of sellers who go ballistic when questioned, even to neutral comments. A good, trustworthy seller will not attack anyone who is disappointed or frustrated. Don't deal with these sorts of people (or do so at your own risk).

2) Ask questions before you bid! Email the seller and ask about the item! If you don't get a prompt reply, don't bid! The con artists will ignore your questions! Legit sellers offer real info and are pleasant to deal with usually. Important questions to ask are:

Does the item have a serial number? Does the seller have manufacturer information/address and phone number (in case you need parts in the future)? Is there a warranty and what does it cover? How long do you have to be able to return an item if unhappy?

If the item does not have a serial number, more than likely it is a VERY CHEAP IMPORT, usually from China, and not many music shops are willing to repair the instrument because there are no parts available! These instruments are also very poorly made and usually break after only minimal usage. Nobody will want to help you fix even minor problems because further damage could be done during repair and they don't want the liability. Be very cautious with this. You may think you're getting a good deal on an inexpensive instrument, but in the long run you'll lose out and have to buy a better quality one soon anyway!

3) Research the product. Lots of notorious sellers claim they have a finely made German or Italian product (or whatever) and in very bold letters advertise the name (such as "We have the BLABLA, folks!" but most of these are fake companies and the names are simply made up and engraved on the no-name instrument. Ask around! Call up a music shop and ask if they've ever heard of the instrument or investigate online with musical organizations and search engines. There are many companies online who sell reputable, well known instruments and they can tell you whether or not they've ever heard of that instrument. Generally, beginner/student models of most musical instruments cost between 300-400 U.S. dollars. You can ask for some well known names of rental instruments and these are what you want to look for online/with Ebay. Avoid anything that you can't get info on. If you do a search on say, Google.com and come up with nothing helpful on your search, chances are..it's a fake instrument.

Many musicians have websites and message boards as well. Check them out. Interested in a flute? Look up flutist organizations. There are very large ones online and you can post a message about that particular instrument and ask for comments. You'll get honest info from musicians because many have used several different brands and are familiar with con artists. You can also ask at local high schools. The band teachers are used to dealing with certain instruments. They'll be able to tell you which are good and which are crap. You could have your son/daughter ask if it's appropriate.

4) Lastly, ask yourself some questions. If the item is inexpensive, what's your gut feeling on it? The rule of thumb with instruments is.. you get what you pay for. Fine quality instruments have a hefty price tag. What's it worth to you? Would you be happy with something that will break a year down the road? Will you be able to resell it once you or the student is ready for a more advanced model? Don't rush into anything. These bargain Ebay instruments will be here for a very long time and take a few days' time to find out some answers before you click on the "bid" button.

Buying a more well known, used brand is often better than buying an el cheapo questionable one. You can always have an good quality used instrument re-padded, cleaned and repaired for a fairly low cost and you'll have a very good instrument that will last and be a better investment, especially when it comes time for you to re-sell.

Hope this helps you!
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Advice on buying Ebay musical instruments/warnings!

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Advice on buying Ebay musical instruments/warnings!
Feb 20, 2003 11:57 AM
I just wanted to toss out a some pointers to those thinking about buying musical instruments online/with Ebay.

1) Check the feedback of the seller. This is important! Look at the negative feedback and try to determine what the problems were with seller/items before bidding. Make sure you're dealing with a seller that accepts criticism without getting hostile. I've noticed lots of sellers who go ballistic when questioned, even to neutral comments. A good, trustworthy seller will not attack anyone who is disappointed or frustrated. Don't deal with these sorts of people (or do so at your own risk).

2) Ask questions before you bid! Email the seller and ask about the item! If you don't get a prompt reply, don't bid! The con artists will ignore your questions! Legit sellers offer real info and are pleasant to deal with usually. Important questions to ask are:

Does the item have a serial number? Does the seller have manufacturer information/address and phone number (in case you need parts in the future)? Is there a warranty and what does it cover? How long do you have to be able to return an item if unhappy?

If the item does not have a serial number, more than likely it is a VERY CHEAP IMPORT, usually from China, and not many music shops are willing to repair the instrument because there are no parts available! These instruments are also very poorly made and usually break after only minimal usage. Nobody will want to help you fix even minor problems because further damage could be done during repair and they don't want the liability. Be very cautious with this. You may think you're getting a good deal on an inexpensive instrument, but in the long run you'll lose out and have to buy a better quality one soon anyway!

3) Research the product. Lots of notorious sellers claim they have a finely made German or Italian product (or whatever) and in very bold letters advertise the name (such as "We have the BLABLA, folks!" but most of these are fake companies and the names are simply made up and engraved on the no-name instrument. Ask around! Call up a music shop and ask if they've ever heard of the instrument or investigate online with musical organizations and search engines. There are many companies online who sell reputable, well known instruments and they can tell you whether or not they've ever heard of that instrument. Generally, beginner/student models of most musical instruments cost between 300-400 U.S. dollars. You can ask for some well known names of rental instruments and these are what you want to look for online/with Ebay. Avoid anything that you can't get info on. If you do a search on say, Google.com and come up with nothing helpful on your search, chances are..it's a fake instrument.

Many musicians have websites and message boards as well. Check them out. Interested in a flute? Look up flutist organizations. There are very large ones online and you can post a message about that particular instrument and ask for comments. You'll get honest info from musicians because many have used several different brands and are familiar with con artists. You can also ask at local high schools. The band teachers are used to dealing with certain instruments. They'll be able to tell you which are good and which are crap. You could have your son/daughter ask if it's appropriate.

4) Lastly, ask yourself some questions. If the item is inexpensive, what's your gut feeling on it? The rule of thumb with instruments is.. you get what you pay for. Fine quality instruments have a hefty price tag. What's it worth to you? Would you be happy with something that will break a year down the road? Will you be able to resell it once you or the student is ready for a more advanced model? Don't rush into anything. These bargain Ebay instruments will be here for a very long time and take a few days' time to find out some answers before you click on the "bid" button.

Buying a more well known, used brand is often better than buying an el cheapo questionable one. You can always have an good quality used instrument re-padded, cleaned and repaired for a fairly low cost and you'll have a very good instrument that will last and be a better investment, especially when it comes time for you to re-sell.

Hope this helps you!
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Aug 22, 2005 08:37 PM
first of all miss sarah, if the parents buying student horns are smart, they will check with there local band director first before they buy. Most band directors will definately tell you for a beginner, not to buy one to rent it for a few months.
Then if the parents wish to buy one they will generally suggest name brands such as bundy/selmer/bach, yamaha, conn, or blessing.

I am a reseller of horns, and did not particulary care for your comments.

The only problems with horns I have ever EVER had, was with the brand name "HEIMER" These are definately cheap, crap horns. Made in CHina from Pot Belly Metals.

I have purchased some of the No Name horns from National School Music Supply, a very trust worthy e-bay seller, and do you know what??? They play and sound better than my 800.00 bach strad!!! So Phooy on your comments!!

If the reseller is reliable, they will back there sale with a refund of money, or replacement of horn.
Its the people whom are selling these rotten horns out there that do not have a clue of the reliability of the horns!!! or what the heck they are selling. So beware of them!!!!

signed
Disgusted.
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Aug 23, 2005 03:27 PM
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Sep 20, 2005 11:49 AM
This is my first response, so I am not entirely sure if it is going to Sarah loves ballet, but I sure hope so - thanks for the cautionary notes - I am just dropped off older viola and cello to a good local repair shop and found that due to age and neglect, they needed extensive repairs. Then I saw some of the ebay cheapies and felt cheated, but the repairman verifies what you told me - that these are good older and in one case, handbuilt instruments, worth at least $1000 each once repaired, so it is worth it - after all, if I have problems he is just around the corner Thanks!
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Oct 8, 2005 08:19 PM
This guy called HAZELSHOULD sells alot of drum stuff like cymbals ,snare drums etc.But uses very descriptive words to sell his items which is OK.But if you look to see what he paid for these items a week maybe 2 weeks ago its UNBELIEVABLE!!!!He's selling drum items he paid 70 bucks for and re-selling them AND GETTING!!! 2-300 bucks for and these buyers don't even see it coming!!!He is totally taking these hard working musicians to the cleaners!!!And laughing all the way to the bank!I want to know if anybody else out there is noticing this.
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Oct 12, 2005 12:58 PM
Hey dizzy blonde:

I'm surprised that hazelshould is able to do this. Most of the musical stuff I've seen is listed with starting bid more than I'm willing to pay. If somebody is able to buy off eBay, and then turn around and sell on eBay and make some money, more power to 'em.
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Oct 14, 2005 09:39 AM
I agree with you. I will never ever use this company called the FRET SHOP. They gave me a bogus tracking number from fed ex. They promised me the guitar on October the 13. I called fed ex they said that the did get an eletronic tracking numder in which anybody can do, but never sent the product. I am very upset. I tried calling them and they want even answer the phone. You can't leave a meesage because the mailbox is full. I'm going through the process now to get my money back from this sorry company.
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Oct 16, 2005 05:14 PM
A few additions to a noteworthy post [definitely a MUST READ for newbies].

1. Be very careful with newbies [w/ 0 postings/feedback].

2. Never ever use a Western Union money transfer.

3. Be wary of any unbelieveable buy it now prices to end an auction---too good to be true usually is.

4. Check headers on incoming email to be sure that it's from the seller.

5. Report any anomalies you see in an auction to eBay.

6. Never click on a link in an email that is suspect.

All that said, I did find a fraudulent auction listing and promptly reported it to eBay, and they confirmed that the guy was a phisher.

Yamaha Motif ES7 76-Key Keyboard Synthesizer Item number: 5624551293

Using the ask the seller a question feature; the reply I received for a buy it now price was too good to be true and raised many alarm bells. His personal emails weren't a smoking gun until he sent me a fake email confirmation from a yahoo account. I promptly forwarded it to spoof@ebay.com ; also, I noticed that none of the names matched on his info and the item listed is not in the USA.
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Oct 23, 2005 01:07 AM
Hey dizzyblonde...or marks865. I start my bidding at 17 cents or 15 cents or 6 cents with no reserve. It's funny how that's "too high" and I'm "taking hard working musicians to the cleaners." There's no reserve. How is starting an auction at 17 cents with NO RESERVE taking advantage of anyone? You're a funny guy. We all know you're story anyway. Shall I post that one? About all the pictures and the wonderful stories of "upstate New York." Would you like to dredge that up? Perhaps we can all discuss it.
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Oct 23, 2005 05:17 PM
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Oct 27, 2005 03:45 AM
this is my first visit here as I am seriously considering selling for a needed change. A lot of great tips from experienced buyers & musicians are to be found here ! Wish I had started reading these long ago before buying guitars on Ebay, though I have been fairly lucky in this area. I have basically shyed away from sales as I still do not own a camera and that requires buyers to trust me implicitly. This, naturally, is no problem except that, as I always heard in the Marines, it's that 5 % that ruins it for the rest of us ! Example; I have two Fender Malmsteen guitars that I dearly hate to part w/, however, times are tough ! Getting rid of the signature model is tolerable however, the other strat was actually owned by Yngwie as I purchased it from a dealer in Miami, w/ a handwritten letter from YM himself about this particular axe. I don't even know if Yngwie is fashionable anymore that someone would be interested in an original. Any comments/ suggestions would be appreciated - thanx, GK1
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Oct 27, 2005 03:56 AM
P.S. what I didn't touch upon is on who do you trust to buy your items for auction ? I have read many a feedback or horror story where the seller gets skint by the buyer. Many of these are overseas buyers, yet, many are from Anytown, USA also. What are the safest payment methods should I find buyers for my guitars and other things ? thanx again & apologies for having to post up twice!
GK1
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Nov 8, 2005 05:14 PM
Rather than gamble that you'll find an Yngwie fan in the 10 days an auction would run, take it to a place that will sell it for you on consignment, like Elderly or Gruhn.
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Nov 15, 2005 08:20 AM
The consignment idea has it's merits, but you never know when or if they will have any luck selling it either. If you list it on eBay you are exposing it to countless potential buyers. Post a good listing and you will have a good chance of success.



Music is the language of the soul

If you don't like what I've said, you can, well, you know... ;)

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Nov 15, 2005 12:36 PM
thanx both dsblues & best-bids1 for your advice. I hadn't thought of the consignment thing, which would alleviate my fears of being ripped off. And on the other hand, consigment does limit one's audience. So both ideas have merit and I have to consider the good & not so good of both points. I guess I could also do the same for the YM signature Fender model that I can sell too.
Thanx again !
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Nov 25, 2005 09:24 PM
Dear sarahlovesballet. Your statements were perfectly typed! I am a seller of Musical Instruments on eBay, and i learned a thing or two on being a better, more patient seller on eBay.
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Dec 1, 2005 11:02 AM
My last purchase on Ebay for a fixer upper guitar was a 1961-2 Gibson Les Paul. It was a little worn and banged up, minor damage actually. I paid 1100 bucks, fixed her up and sold her the other day for 10,650 bucks! Caveat Emptor. Works both ways!
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Dec 10, 2005 07:07 AM
I have been a guitar player/collecter for over 20 yrs,and have read some horror stories in this forum.Buyers--1st thing to do is research,with todays technolagy,its very easy--try Google etc. 2nd--Make sure there are over three GOOD pics of the guitar,look for things like shading,over lighting of a pic,and how much of a view the seller is willing to show ya.Iv'e only sold 3 of my guitars on Ebay,and allways display 6 quality pics with the ad--whats a couple of bucks? Make sure the seller is eager and willing to talk over the phone,if there not,theres gonna be "Toys in the attic!!"If your not sure/inexperienced on what to ask,find out a list of questions,whether you understand them or not,and grill them on them--if there not quick or concise to answer--SCAM. 3rd--just because a guitar is an import does'nt make it a low quality instrument.The Koreans have been manufacturing guitars over 35 yrs now,usually for American corp.Case in point,i own 5 Gibsons,3 Fenders,1 Carvin,2 Ephiphones,2 PRS's and 2 Dean Hardtail Selects.In the case of the 2 Deans,i looked at the USA version of these guitars--2,500 bucks!! The Korean models are copy's of the USA guitars,have beutifial flame maple tops over mahogany backs and neck,play BETTER than both my PRS's,and cost 600 bucks apiece--serious cash!! Ask LOTS of questions--it's your money!! Barry
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Dec 10, 2005 09:10 AM
Make sure the seller is eager and willing to talk over the phone,if there not,theres gonna be "Toys in the attic!!"If your not sure/inexperienced on what to ask,find out a list of questions,whether you understand them or not,and grill them on them--if there not quick or concise to answer--SCAM. I don't really agree with these particular statements. Many sellers don't wish to be contacted by telephone. That is certainly their right and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If they don't wish to communicate by email or give poor written email that is a different matter. Also it is not uncommon for the seller to not be an expert on the item they are selling. That doesn't necessarily mean that there is anything amiss. Maybe they are selling something for a friend or maybe they just have something they wish to sell and don't necessarily know that much about it. Usually they state that they don't know much about the item in their description. Sometime you can find the best bargains being sold by a "non-expert".
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Dec 27, 2005 08:38 AM
I purchase and sell a large amount of guitars here. I deal as honestly with my buyers as I can. As for the sellers I deal with, most or their products have been exactly as advertised, which is a good thing. I have found a few sellers who are "in the business", and who ethically represent their products, so I tend to buy mostly from these sellers.

Now, my BIG problem.

Recently (within the past 8 months or so), there has been an absolute GLUT of acoustic and electric guitars being sold from China, by sellers who 1) can't even speak the language (I get a big kick out of reading some of the descriptions) and 2) who seem to be more interested in their heritage and arts and crafts than selling guitars. Now, if that's what they really want to do, then they should just drop the facade of selling bogus guitars that will probably wind up being absolute pieces of CRAP!, and list their arts and crafts on the appropriate eBay categories.

Can't the eBay Safe Harbor team, or whoever is responsible for policing the website, just unilaterally remove these auctions from the Musical Instrument categories (they're so obviously fraudulent!), and re-direct the sellers to legitimately sell their arts and crafts within the appropriate categories?! Yeah, I know, this is a public selling and buying community, and let the buyer beware, and yada-yada-yada, but for those of us who take the trading of musical instruments even moderately seriously this is an insult, and in my opinion enough is enough! - Bob S.
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Dec 30, 2005 04:47 AM
Hi, my name is Steve. I have not been on any discussion boards before but have a few comments, or maybe questions. I did read feed back for a long time seller, with a EBay store "Copely Instruments, ie. Simba Products", and did not see anything initially alarming. I purchased a Electric Bass Guitar at auction. Before, and during, and after, the auction I asked questions, none of which were responded to, until quite after the auction. I paid the item with money order and it has been 3 weeks and still don't have the Bass. I know it was shipped finally, way late and I called and left messages several times with no return calls. Not a very good experience. I went back to read feed back on this Copely and realized that most all of the listings were for small items. I found no expencive items like a bass or anything in the 300 to 600.00 range. I assume I will get my bass, but what kind of feed back should I honestly leave, or does anyone have remarks to make about John Copely? Thanks for taking the time to read my post. Steve K. frustrated
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Dec 30, 2005 05:11 AM
Steve, It sounds like you have learned some lessons from this experience. You should wait until after you have received and tried out the instrument before you leave any feedback. In my opinion negative feedback should be reserved only for extreme circumstances, and after you have unsuccessfully tried to resolve differences. Perhaps this seller may deserve less than positive feedback. I would say that about 95% of all that receive negative (or neutral) feedback retaliate by giving the other person the same, whether they deserve it or not.



Music is the language of the soul

If you don't like what I've said, you can, well, you know... ;)

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Jan 13, 2006 05:51 PM
just wondering if anywone has bought a guitar from someone overseas say in china. guitars are going for nothing and shipping though is out the roof like 300.00 dollars or so. it sounds like a scam to me but just wondering if anyone has had good luck. o ps the sellers feedback is private.
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Jan 13, 2006 06:17 PM
Most Chinese auctions are scams.



Music is the language of the soul

If you don't like what I've said, you can, well, you know... ;)

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Jan 16, 2006 01:59 AM
Yea. Good advice! even for me, im not buying an instument but its very good to know what you wrote so that i can equally prepare to sell my guitar at a fasionable price for its quality. I have a couple of questions if you may.

-my rating is 0 therefore i havent sold anything yet, and i have a sweet guitar that goes for about 1500 and its in good condition, a little bit used but still like brand new.. Can i be able to sell this at a reasonable price or will it take me time to build up stats before anyone can trust im a worthy seller (wchich i am)?

-it has a serial number on it (thats good) and just wondering will this serial number trace to anything in particular, perhaps, the owner's/seller's info??

thanks
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