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do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 3:31 AM
We started selling about 7 - 10 items per week on ebay in April and for 3 months did very well. So much so that we decided we would do this full time. Took a break and collected TONS OF STUFF. I was wondering what methods people use for staying organized. Before, we would photo and package the product so when it sold it was ready to ship. 7 - 10 items per week is no problem, but now that we want to list about 70 - 100 per week (all different, not the same product) do we come up with a flat shipping rate per item and just package it up when it sells OR do we really have to weigh and package everything before listing because everything is a different size and weight? Organization is quickly turning into chaos here.
Thanks in advance for any tips with this.
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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 3:42 AM
do we come up with a flat shipping rate per item and just package it up when it sells OR do we really have to weigh and package everything before listing because everything is a different size and weight?

What makes your life easy and keeps the Buyers Happy?

For Domestic >> I do 100% flat rate with a small mix of FREE shipping for the Buyers that don't shop total price.
For International >> I do 100% calculated using the shipping calculator and USPS Priority for method.
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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 6:44 AM
...do we really have to weigh and package everything before listing because everything...

YES and NO!!

Don't "package" it, just put on a scale, add a box, add a bit for peanuts, and you have the weight. Takes me aobut 30 seconds to get the shipping weight and I use the calculator about 99% of the time. Some sellers gritch about having to wrap and package and then the buyer wants a differenet pic or bought 2 widgets. You absolutely do NOT have to wrap and package, you just need to get a reasonably accurate shipping weight for the shipping parameters.

Good luck with the expansion! :)




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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 7:28 AM
Thank you for the quick responses. So, what you're saying is don't waste your time packaging until you have a sale. That makes sense, because time can be better spent taking photos and listing and shopping, right? And then you don't have tons of boxes sitting around.

I have spent the better part of the morning looking for sellers like us, those that sell a lot of different things - not a niche. One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN. I found that very interesting because I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding. They still have calculated shipping though, looks like there's no short cut to determining shipping costs. I thought we could come up with a flat rate (not usps flat rate, but our own flat rate) and then just categorize items as small, medium and large......$7., $15. and $20. Sometimes we'd make money, sometimes we'd lose money. Is that a dumb way to do this?
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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 8:06 AM
sometimes we'd lose money. Is that a dumb way to do this?

YES, You should always make money or you are doing something wrong.

One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN.
If you are going to go with BIN's, I would recommend having immediate payment required.

I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding.
To me the appeal is a good deal,
If I am not getting a good deal I don't bid/purchase.
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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 8:11 AM
I use fairly standard boxes. I know the dimensions and I know the additional weight to add. I never box anything until its sold. I have over 1100 items on shelving units. I would need several times the space if it was packaged.

By not pre-packaging...

1) reduces inventory storage space
2) reduces number of shipping boxes required to be on hand
3) reduces up-front costs of shipping supplies (match them to sales instead)
4) better allows for combined shipping
5) better allows for additional pics or other required access to widget prior to sale.
6) reduces risk of shipping prior to payment from buyer.

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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 8:14 AM
Sometimes we'd make money, sometimes we'd lose money. Is that a dumb way to do this?


I would encourage you to do different things and see what works, nothing is dumb if it makes more money for you.

One reason not to package before listing was mentioned, in case someone buys two widgets from you and you want to send both in one box.

The other reason is all my boxes look the same, and if I'm not careful with sticky notes I don't know what's inside, so always leave the top open until you address it.

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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 12:59 PM
I never package anything until I have a paid order. Inventory remains in storage, although I may keep a couple dozen items in boxes in my apartment if I am actively selling them on eBay.

Besides being a complete waste of time and space if an item does not sell, prepacking merchandise does not take into account the class of mail or multiple purchases.

Instead, I do "virtual packaging."

Although I have too much inventory to bother taking photos of everything until I need to -- we're talking thousands of items here! -- I do know the weight of each item and keep that information in my inventory database. After more than 2 decades doing mail order, I pretty much know that a dinner plate will mail at 4 lbs., a sugar bowl at 2 lbs., a Steiff 8" stuffed toy at 2 lbs., and a large hardbound book does not fit into a Priority Mail FRE, etc. Books are easy -- I just weigh a comparable book from my extensive library so I can quote a rate before ordering the book for my customer. Publishers usually have this information online(For eBay, I sell only books that I actually have in stock but most of my online orders must be obtained from the publisher.)

I also know what size box I will use and what the packaging weighs.

For your needs, you should schedule no more than 10-15 auctions to end on any given day and allow for a few unexpected BIN's. Keep the items together in one box or on a single shelf. If, like me, you keep inventory in storage, either pull the items before listing or at least note the box number in which they are stored. Tag each item with an inventory number and brief description.

For existing inventory that has not been catalogued, photographed, weighed or tagged, set aside a couple of hours each day to get caught up -- even if you do not plan to write the description and list the item right away. Then store the items in numbered boxes with a copy of the pertinent inventory page in each box.

To avoid cluttering up your computer with thousands of images, edit and upload the images to a server (or at least place them on disk) where they will be handy when you need them. Be sure to name your image files so they are easily identifiable and in alphabetical or numeric order. (The inventory number is useful; I also use an alpha-numeric system so that all images for a specific item fall together on the list.)

For new inventory, follow this procedure as you acquire each item -- it makes like so much simpler!

As you sell each item, log the information in your inventory database and manually update the list in each box. Do not add items to a box; wait until it is empty before recycling the box for fresh inventory.

I also keep annual "sales" and "customer list" databases -- most of the details can be copied and pasted -- which makes quarterly analysis and tax time a breeze. The master inventory database can become quite cumbersome, especially if sales are spread over years rather than weeks or months. It helps to keep separate master databases for each type of merchandise. For example, I keep one each for pottery, glassware, paper goods, books, Steiff and "everything else."

In writing, this system appears complicated, but really it isn't. Start with 2 or 3 boxes of stuff and you'll find the process becomes almost automatic.

Once you have set up your inventory database(s), including product details and especially weight, all you need to do is consult the list and add the weight of your box and stuffing to determine the mailing weight. My standard for all but very small, lightweight items is 2 lbs.

Remember that dinner plate? It weighs 1.5 lbs. A suitable box and stuffing weighs 2 lbs., give or take a few ounces. Voila! 4 lbs. Two dinner plates? That's 3 lbs. + 2 lbs. = 5 lbs. Add 1 lb. for a salad plate, another 1 lb. for a cup and saucer, .5 lb. for a b&b plate. All this information from the database, without budging out of my chair or traipsing down to the storage unit! One pitfall here is dimensional weight. I always use boxes that measure 1 cubic foot or less. If I must pack a large order, I make certain the actual weight overrides the dimensional factor.

I admit I haven't backtracked to number my stored boxes or place a list in each one. But because I did shows for so many years, I pretty much know what's in each box just by a general label -- and I usually have no more than 5 boxes with a specific kind of merchandise. My downfall is Vernon Kilns souvenir plates. I have only about 22 in inventory but they are spread over multiple boxes with other VK dinnerware. Yup. When I need to pull a specific plate, I usually find it in the last box I search!

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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 5:36 PM
:O WOW! well, first of all - THANK YOU ALL so much for responding so quickly with such helpful advice. I'm definitely getting the impression pre-packaging is a waste of time. I like all your ideas so much. I think you're right though, it is trial and error and we'll have to see what works best. I spent all day in the garage getting all the inventory better organized, that helped a lot. Now we just have to master listing - and not spending 1/2 day researching what to write about an item, and the other 1/2 listing the item. LOL! thanks again.
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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM
Thank you for the quick responses. So, what you're saying is don't waste your time packaging until you have a sale. That makes sense, because time can be better spent taking photos and listing and shopping, right? And then you don't have tons of boxes sitting around.

I have spent the better part of the morning looking for sellers like us, those that sell a lot of different things - not a niche. One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN. I found that very interesting because I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding. They still have calculated shipping though, looks like there's no short cut to determining shipping costs. I thought we could come up with a flat rate (not usps flat rate, but our own flat rate) and then just categorize items as small, medium and large......$7., $15. and $20. Sometimes we'd make money, sometimes we'd lose money. Is that a dumb way to do this?




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One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN. I found that very interesting because I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding.


Depends on the type of item.
Mine would be ridiculous to offer bidding.
BIN with imm payment required offers a quick turnaround
and does away with nonpaying bidders who can tie up the item for a long time.

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Re: do I really package everything BEFORE listing?

Nov 6, 2009 8:15 PM
Thank you for the quick responses. So, what you're saying is don't waste your time packaging until you have a sale. That makes sense, because time can be better spent taking photos and listing and shopping, right? And then you don't have tons of boxes sitting around.

I have spent the better part of the morning looking for sellers like us, those that sell a lot of different things - not a niche. One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN. I found that very interesting because I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding. They still have calculated shipping though, looks like there's no short cut to determining shipping costs. I thought we could come up with a flat rate (not usps flat rate, but our own flat rate) and then just categorize items as small, medium and large......$7., $15. and $20. Sometimes we'd make money, sometimes we'd lose money. Is that a dumb way to do this?




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One thing I noticed was that MANY of them are only offering BIN. I found that very interesting because I thought the appeal of ebay was the fun of the bidding.


Depends on the type of item.
Mine would be ridiculous to offer bidding.
BIN with imm payment required offers a quick turnaround
and does away with nonpaying bidders who can tie up the item for a long time.



To say nothing of negging you bcause you pressed for payment.
And even if the never pay, the can neg you.
And you cannot retaliate.

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