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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 1:00 PM
Well, for breakables I use egg cartons to cushion all sides of the box and sometimes depending on how large the item is, I double box. Lots of bubble wrap and peanuts, sometimes I use newspaper but only when I've run out of peanuts because newspaper adds more weight than peanuts. Everything I use is either recycled or brand new depending on my supplies. Would you believe it that with all my shipping of breakables none broke and arrived safely. Instead, I sent a package of 3 plastic candle containers and 1 broke into tiny pieces, fortunately all of my shipments are insured and I happen to have replaceable containers. Hope this helps.



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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 1:14 PM
Mauve,

One point to address is that with materials, it is not one size fits all. The occasional seller may be willing to hunt for boxes and packing materials, while the full time seller may have too large of a demand as well as not enough time to search. Peanuts may be good as a filler for large items, but fragile items I would want wrapped in bubble wrap before filling the box with peanuts.

One other comments is that regardless of the filling material, if the item can be damaged in the least, the packing box should be filled completed with packing materials, with no voids. Voids can allow the packing box to be crushed and allow movement and shifting of the contents.

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 1:54 PM
I pack my items the way I want to receive them if I were the buyer. When necessary I use bubble wrap (usually double layered) and peanuts or shredded paper, making sure there is no movement in the box when I am done. On occassion I have double boxed but not much.

I mostly sell collectible toys and always remember that the box is part of the value of the item so I make certain to keep the box in the as advertised condition.

I use USPS Priority mail mostly and have insurance as option, however, on items where I do not want to or can not refund or replace I always buy insurance should the bidder decide not to.



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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 2:48 PM
Maeve, the first thing you have to understand is that it will be necessary for you to LOOK at what Ebay sells, then you will understand how difficult it is going to be to decide what the normal packaging usage is.!!

I use envelopes, padded envelopes, bubble envelopes , bubble wrap , peanuts, shredded paper, crumpled paper, foam rubber, and drywall insulation board.

I use new boxes, used boxes, Priority Mail boxes, wood boxes, crates, and metal boxes.

And , sometimes, no packaging at all.

A person selling small items has one basic type of packaging to use.
A person selling items up to 100 lbs has a much different need for packing materials.

Then when you get into the other areas of Ebay such as machinery, etc. you have shipments of over 10,000 pounds which take some thing I can not do.

But, to answer your question simply, I use new materials to a greater extent than recycled. I seldom use old used boxes.

I wish you luck and I am sure you will find out what you DON'T want to know. LOL

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 2:50 PM
Hi, Maeve!

It depends on what is being packaged. For non-fragile items like clothing, I place a sheet of cardboard or other stiffener in back of the neatly folded item (so it doesn't get all scrunched in the journey), then wrap in white tissue if I am using a box, or thin bubble wrap or even plastic wrap if I am using an envelope. Then I place it with my packing invoice into a box or a tyvek, bubble, or waterproof envelope (I never use plain envelopes, because the item could get wet.) Usually I use boxes on clothing, but if an item is small and could easily travel in an envelope, I do so to get a better rate.

For fragile items, the packing is much more complex. However, it doesn't have to take a long time if you gather all your materials first and do all your packages "assembly line" fashion.

For example, if I am packaging a very delicate, 10" high vase:

Gather all materials:
A. 2 boxes, 1 about 2 inches larger than the item on all sides, the second one about 3 inches larger on all sides than the first box.
B. approximately 8 sheets of bubble wrap (for a 10" vase with a 5" diameter....more or less to suit your size)
C. 2 sheets of gift tissue, 20" long, or about 6 square feet. Make certain it is white....you don't want colors to bleed if it gets moist)
D. 4 peices of foam, (small peices will do, for taping to the corners)
E. approximately 3 cubic feet of packing peanuts
F. OPTIONAL IF THE ITEM IS EXPENSIVE (over $50):4 thin dowel rods (I have seen people use plastic coke bottles or sturdy paper towel rolls(empty) and it actually works quite well, but then you'll need a slightly bigger box). This step is completely optional if the item is less expensive.
G. OPTIONAL IF THE ITEM IS EXPENSIVE: extra bubble wrap to cover outside of inner box.
H. 2" packing tape, masking tape and labels.

First, fill the vase with packaging peanuts.
Second, wrap the vase in white tissue (never put bubble wrap directly against glass....some types of glass will get permanent round impressions from the bubbles) If the vase has a lot of decorative elements like handles, etc, make sure to use extra tissue on those parts, very gently, before bubble wrapping.
Third, wrap the vase in the bubble wrap and tape it very gently with masking tape....don't use too much tape or it will be too hard for the buyer to get it open.
Fourth, place the vase in the smaller box that has been filled with 2" of packing peanuts. Insert the foam pieces in each of the four corners to hold the vase directly in the middle of the box. Overfill it with more packing peanuts so that you have to VERY SLIGHTLY crush the packing peanuts to get the box closed.
Fifth, shake the box vigorously. If you hear NO MOVEMENT, go to the next step.....if you hear movement, start over.
6th, tape the inner box shut.
7th, OPTIONAL: This step is only if the vase is very expensive: BUBBLE WRAP THE INNER BOX!
8th, OPTIONAL: This step is only if the vase is very expensive: Place dowel rods in each of the four corners of the outer box. Tape them so they stand straight up and they will prevent the box from getting crushed in any way.
9th, Lay the box on a bed of packing peanuts at least 2" thick. (You might want to layer a sheet of newspaper on the packing peanuts to prevent shifting.)
10th, put your invoice on top of the box, then overfill all the sides and top with enough packing peanuts that you have to SLIGHTLY crush them in order to close the box. (You could also place foam pieces on each corner to be extra careful, but that is optional)
11. Shake the box vigorously to see if you hear movement....if you do, start over. If not, then tape the box shut and reinforce all of the seams of the box with 2" packing tape. Label and you are done! :^)


Now, as to materials.....yes it can be expensive to package properly. I do recycle all the bubble wrap I get, as well as boxes if they are used for non-fragile items. NEVER reuse a box for fragiles unless it looks completely new and has a bursting strength, listed on the box, of 200lbs or more. If it doesn't list the bursting strength, then you should not use it for fragiles because boxes can look new but their strength could still be compromised due to moisture or other factors, such as age.

Believe it or not, I got my packing peanuts in HUGE bags (bigger than me) for $5 from the local power plant. (No, they are NOT radioactive, LOL!) These can each last through approximately 15 packages such as I have described, making the total cost per package for packing peanuts only about 35 cents.

I do buy bubble wrap by the huuuuuge roll. Don't buy from office supplies.....go to gatorpack or some other business and buy in bulk. Store them in a storage room, if you can. Same with boxes. I really don't like recycling boxes simply because it takes more time to break boxes down to store them, then have to turn them around and retape them to use them later, than it is worth. And if you don't break them down, your storage area is very difficult to work in with boxes everywhere. If you wait for the sales at Link (one goes on every January, by the way!) you can buy in bulk, store them easily because they are all broken down, and not waste tape when you use them. And I believe customers like a good, strong, brand new box. Boxes go for as little as 20 cents including ship, depending on size, so it is worth it to me.


Anyway, this is just my 2 cents :^)
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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 2:50 PM
Further, sometimes I have to take an item to a profession packer as I do not have all of the supplies I need for a particular item. Then I have to buy all of the materials and , if he charges labor, I have to pay that myself. OF COURSE, the buyer always has to pay for special services.

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 5:46 PM
I use large amounts of microfoam and 1" thick styrofoam panels. (The styrofoam can be found in 4'x8' sheets in the insulation department of Home Depot, etc; I use microfoam instead of bubblewrap in part because I can get it free.) I rarely use peanuts, even for most fragile items and never use newspaper.

For boxes I purchase sizes that I regularly need and can't easily find to recycle. (Sturdy cartons 15"x15"x30" or 12"x12"x60" aren't commonly found at the grocery store!) I also purchase smaller boxes that I use in large quantities. I ship FedEx so don't use Priority packaging. In addition to the boxes I buy, I keep an eye out and regularly collect boxes that might be useful. I also make occasional trips to a nearby liquor store that saves their cartons for anyone who wants them. Those boxes are the perfect size for the old radios I sometimes sell, and very sturdy.

If I am shipping a set of glasses, I first line the carton in a couple layers of 1" styrofoam. The sheets are easy to score and break. Then I simply wrap the glasses in several layers of microfoam and stack them in the box. The glasses are so well protected by the microfoam that I can drop one on my floor and be confident it won't break. The styrofoam essentially serves the same purpose as others' double boxing. It adds cushioning protection on all sides (depending on the item I'll use up to 3-4 inches of styrofoam), keeps the item from shifting near the bottom of the box, and adds a lot of rigidity.

The styrofoam comes in thicknesses up to 2" but the thicker panels are more than proportionately higher in cost. (Two 1" panels are cheaper than one 2" panel.) I use the 2" panels for very fragile but heavy items, such as chandeliers and wall mirrors. A chandelier is one of the few "exception" items which I would also fill with peanuts.

I've been using this method for over three years and found it to be very reliable. Customers appreciate it too; I once got a positive feedback commending my "bullet proof packaging."
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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 6:16 PM
I'm not a high volume seller so my packing materials are almost always recycled. I save sturdy boxes when I receive them and I have a big trash can that I use to save peanuts. I also save un-popped bubblewrap and foam whenever possible. If the item is fragile and needs more bubble- or foam-wrap, I pay for it. There is no sense in scrimping on packing materials for fragile items.

Personally, I don't think eBay does enough to educate sellers how to pack. We read messages from people all the time who packed dishes "the same as when I moved" and are surprised when the buyer complains about breakage -- even more so when the USPS insurance claim is denied for improper packing. I think eBay should do a better job than just having that one page in the "Shipping Center" to tell people how to pack -- and they should make sure that sellers who check insurance boxes know that improper packing won't suffice for insurance.

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 7:35 PM
IN GENERAL -

Clothing
Folded and placed in a new, 3 mil thick clear poly bag, sealed with a piece of tape or folded over. Then placed in either a Tyvek envelope (never a poly clothes mailer) or a Box. No padding or tissue paper used.

Pottery and Glassware - 1 piece in the shipment
Item wrapped in 1-2 layers of plain newsprint. All hollow areas tightly stuffed with newsprint. Newsprint taped shut with one piece of masking tape. Object put in a box with at least 2 inches of space all the way around. Fill all that space and the box to overflowing with foam peanuts. If the object is very light and not super fragille (eg., a single coffee cup), I may mix shredded paper in with the peanuts. If the object is extremely fragile, I wrap a layer of thick bubble wrap around it over the newsprint and seal that with a few judiciously-placed pieces of packing tape. In those cases I don't tape the inner newsprint because the bubble wrap holds it in place.

Pottery and Glassware - 2+ pieces in shipment
Each item wrapped in newsprint, with hollow spaces stuffed tightly with the paper (see above). Each piece wrapped in bubble wrap, making sure all surface are covered. Close bubble wrap with a few pieces of packing tape. Pack in box with at least 1 inche of space between the items and 2 inches around on all 6 sides of the box. Fill all voids in the box with foam peanuts to overfilling. In some cases I also put a piece of bubble wrap on the top and bottom of the box.

Miscellaneous Tips
I never use the air pillow packing materials except to fill up empty space in a box that has a light, non-fragile item. For example, If I were shipping 3 paperback books in one box, I'd pack each book separately and then just toss in the air pillows to keep them from rattling around too much.Crumpled up plain newsprint does the same job.

I never use newspaper. I think it's sloppy and dirty. I use uninked newsprint. Also never use: papertowels, disposable diapers (I'm not kidding -- I've seen people use these, unused of course, as packing material), rags, tissues, food boxes or other non-standard packing materials.

I pay a lot of attention to the weight of the corrugated cardboard in boxes. Boxes come in different weights. Heavier boxes are better for heavier items.

When shipping multiple identical pottery items, for example, 5 dinner plates, I wrap each individually in plain newsprint and bubbe wrap and stack them in the box with at least an inch of peanuts between each plate and at least 2 inches of peanuts on all 6 sides of the box. I never tape the items together, although I have received items from other sellers who do use this technique. I find that it's hard to unpack the items when they are bonded together in this way and also I don't think it's as secure a method as wrapping each individual separately with plenty of peanuts between the items.

I rarely double box items, except if the item is extremely fragile (e.g., a laptop computer for which I don't have the original box, a crystal chandelier, crystal goblets).

Recycled or New Materials
I use free USPS Priority Boxes and Tyvek envelopes, also some of their tape. About 80% of my shipments go by Priority Mail. I have a source of clean, once-used (often internally delivered and not shipped) boxes that meet most of my box needs for the other 20% of my shipments -- heavy items that go by FedEx Ground, books that go by Media Mail and International shipments for which Priority Mail is not an option -- also odd size items that can't fit in a Priority Box, even when it's cut up and taped togther. I also have a source for peanuts and try to get bubble wrap when I can, but on occasion I do buy bubble wrap from one of the sellers on eBay. I buy plain newsprint from a local moving company. I don't use recycled or previously used envelopes or bubble mailers for small items. I buy these new at retail or online. I also buy plain (non-USPS Priority) Tyvek envelopes online that I use for sending clothing internationally (mostly to Canada). I purchase new poly bags (again, from a seller on eBay) in which I put all clothing before putting them in the Tyvek outer bag or in a box. Other expenses include: tape (various kinds), paper for printing out labels and packing slips, ink for the printer. Tools include: scale, tape gun, tape dispenser, utility knife.

The biggest piece of advice I'd give is to pay attention to items you receive through the mail, either from eBay sellers or from other online and mail order sellers. Pay attention to what you like and what seems well-packed and copy those techniques. Packing for shipping is quite different than packing for a move in a moving van. This is a common mistake that occasional sellers of pottery and glass make, often with bad results. Items should withstand being kicked down a flight of stairs, being tossed in a truck, falling off the conveyor belt on their way into an airplane, extreme of hot and cold and either be waterproof or contain items that won't be damaged if they get wet. Also, in my opinion, just because "it's only eBay," -- the world's largest garage sale -- this should not be an excuse for using garage sale quality packing materials and sloppy packing techniques.
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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 2, 2004 8:53 PM
Most buyers do not understand that a $2 purchase can not be packed with $5 worth of packaging material unless the buyer is willing to pay for it!!

And that packing material costs $5 whereever the material comes from!

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 3, 2004 7:45 AM
Just make sure that you put that envelopes and bubble mailers offer no crushing resistance and are only good for mainly non-breakable items.

Sellers think bubble mailers will proect anything "its bubble wrapped afterall"

Lastly make sure to include that most carriers require 2" of packaging material all the way around the item and breakables need to be double boxed. When packed, the item should not shift in the packaging at all.
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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 3, 2004 11:52 AM
For over 17 years, I have sold glassware and pottery via mail order and, in the past 10 years, paper goods and books. I've bought and sold via eBay for 6-1/2 years. Each type of merchandise has different packaging requirements.

For breakables, I use free #7 Priority Mail boxes or corrugated cardboard boxes scrounged from local businesses. Occasionally, I have to buy a box and favor the 12x12x12" cube or the 15x12x10" container. I recycle packing chips from incoming orders and other sources and have bought only one small bag of chips in almost 2 decades. I never buy bubble wrap, but make use of any that happens to come my way. Other useful materials are plain newsprint, white tissue paper, foam sheets and scrap cardboard. I buy only the tissue paper -- on sale after major holidays.

After wrapping in whatever materials I have available, I submerge fragile items in packing chips, with 2" of chips between items and around the perimeter of the box. For multiple items, I may separate with layers of scrap cardboard, which helps stabilize the contents.

For extremely fragile items, such as stemware or delicate figurines, I may double box or reinforce the sides of a shipping container with scrap cardboard.

I do not overpack a box; at most, I place 6-8 pieces of glassware or pottery in a container that weighs no more than 15 lbs. Above all, I do not "mummify" items in bubble wrap and sealing tape; I use a 2" or 3" strip of masking tape to secure bundles so that the recipient can unwrap the items easily and salvage the intact bubble wrap or paper.

For books, I use primarily bubble envelopes, purchased in bulk. Where appropriate, I use flat-rate cardboard Priority Mail or Global Priority Mail envelopes or a box. Each book is poly-sleeved and wrapped in several layers of white tissue paper, bubble wrap or foam sheets -- whatever I happen to have. I may also line an envelope with thin cardboard to protect the spine and edges of hardbound books. Again, I secure the packaging with masking tape, making certain that it does not come in contact with the merchandise.

For ephemera -- postcards, greeting cards, magazine ads, photos, etc. -- I use primarily Kraft paper envelopes or bubble envelopes, sometimes Priority Mail Tyvek envelopes; the flat-rate Priority Mail/GPM envelopes are also great for small items, especially international orders.

Postcards are poly sleeved and placed in #11 Kraft envelopes between 2 layers of scrap poster board. I also enclose several other promotional cards or flyers that offer discount admission to shows and help protect the contents.

Larger ephemera travel in whatever envelope is suitable for the class of mail or the size of the item. Paper "flats" sent via First Class Mail cannot be insured, which dictates a Tyvek, cardboard or bubble envelope. Each item is protected by a poly sleeve and backing board. I cut poster board cut to standardized dimensions and bag the items for display at shows, so no further prep is necessary. For more than 10 items, I use a Priority Mail/GPM box rather than an envelope.

As both a buyer and a seller, I have seen both inadequately packed items and those so overpacked that it's almost impossible to unpack them.

The worst packing job I've ever seen? Five magazines in a Kraft envelope, left unsealed. The envelope was badly mangled but the contents survived intact.

The most overpacked order? A set of 21 pieces of Japanese china, each piece mummified in Priority Mail tape and bubble wrap and packed in a single flat box with minimal chips. Nothing was broken, but it took me 3-1/2 hours to unpack the box and all the scissored bubble wrap had to be discarded.

The most underpacked order? Eleven pieces of heavy Vernon Kilns pottery dinnerware crammed into a #7 Priority Mail box. The contents were loosely wrapped in newspaper and a few packing chips rattled around in the box. Amazingly, nothing was broken!

The messiest packing material? Excelsior. Piles of it -- 4 years later I'm still finding slivers in my carpet!

The most unusual packing material? Cedar roofing shingles. Heavy, but lining the box with them certainly protected the fragile, expensive piece of glassware inside the box.

I don't try for the extremes in packaging. I just make use of whatever suitable materials I can get free, buy the rest, try to save the customer money and still present a professional, adequate packing job.

In 17+ years of shipping breakables, I've had only 2 low-dollar damage claims, both paid by UPS in 1989. Only 2 or 3 orders of ephemera have been lost or damaged via USPS. None of these were for eBay customers.

As a buyer, on eBay and off, I've received only one order that sustained damage in transit. One piece of stemware snapped despite being packed extremely well. I didn't bother to file an insurance claim; I paid so little for a dozen very expensive stems that it wasn't worth the effort. I didn't even tell the seller ... and left positive feedback.

As a seller, I streamline, standardize and scrounge to keep costs low and quality high.

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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 3, 2004 1:18 PM
The biggest piece of advice I'd give is to pay attention to items you receive through the mail, either from eBay sellers or from other online and mail order sellers. Pay attention to what you like and what seems well-packed and copy those techniques.

Agreed!
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How do you pack items for shipping?

Jan 3, 2004 5:42 PM
I don't try for the extremes in packaging. I just make use of whatever suitable materials I can get free, buy the rest, try to save the customer money and still present a professional, adequate packing job.

...ditto

It's important to pack well while at the same time keeping it affordable for the buyer.

Clean, used materials are plentiful and free for the asking in many communities at gift shops, furniture stores, dollar stores, and the like.

If you must buy new, buy in bulk... buying individual materials retail can be extremely expensive and should be avoided whenever possible !!!

Lastly, be aware that there is often an incredible markup on supplies and services at packing & mailing stores... use them only when absolutely necessary.
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