|
|
Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Starting May 1—get up to 2,500 FREE listings* every month with an eBay Stores subscription
eBay has reduced the upfront cost to sell for Store sellers! With eBay’s new everyday rate plans, you get from up to 150 to 2,500 FREE listings* per month—no insertion fees, auction-style or fixed price—with an eBay Stores subscription. You pay a final value fee only when you sell! Plus, the final value fees for Stores have been streamlined to just 5 competitive category-based rates as low as 4%—and never more than 9%—regardless of how you sell.
Learn more about everything eBay Stores have to offer, then use the Fee Illustrator to find the best Store option for you! Watch this tutorial to learn how.
*Pay no insertion fees for your allotted free listings per calendar month. Optional fees, including advanced listing upgrades and supplemental service fees, still apply. Pay final value fees only when you sell. Motors Vehicles, Real Estate, Heavy Equipment, Concession Trailers & Carts, Imaging & Aesthetics Equipment and Commercial Printing Presses are excluded. 12 free pictures does not apply to Motors Vehicles listings. Terms are subject to change. Learn more.
|
|
Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
May 4, 2012 10:19 AM
|
I have been selling on eBay for quite some time now and I have to admit that I (and it looks like plenty of other sellers) am outraged at this newly enforced return policy! With the type of merchandise that I sell, a mandatory 14 day return policy is completely ridiculous and out of the question! Vintage board games, toys and the like can easily be played with and decided that "it wasn't as fun to play with, so I'll just send it back."
I, much like many others, am a very small fish in the big pond that is eBay. I use my profits to pay my everyday bills and can't hang on to the money for 14 days waiting around for little Bobby to decide that he doesn't want to play with his Power Ranger toy any more so I have to give mom & dad their money back!
I was fine with returns, I've done it myself... But 2 weeks and then buyers choice on returns?!!! I've always done an exchange or if I was at fault in an error coughed up the cash return, no problem. But now... It's one thing to have basic rules to keep things under control, it's quite another to tell me how to run my business! Dictatorship at it's finest! Voice your opinion!!!
You haven't voted yet in this poll -- use the form below to cast a vote.
|
|
|
|
(120 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 22, 2012 12:45 PM
|
ebay gave some suggestion on taking returns but did not limit the seller to the suggestion
They didn't say sellers couldn't state "Returns accepted only if you are the Queen of England", either.
Did ebay make a mistake?
eBay makes a fool of itself regularly.
if ebay wanted returns to be handled one way they would not of given the box to state your conditions in.
If they wanted sellers to just pretend to have a 14 day return policy, there is no point in requiring sellers to accept it.
Customers are not stupid- they will read the return policy of your listing
I have no doubt that no matter how ebay handles this, we will see MANY sellers complain on this board that sellers didn't read the whole policy.
|
|
|
|
(121 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 22, 2012 01:42 PM
|
lovetoshop6100 wrote:
couldabeenworse i don't see where you sell under this id- why don't you stop commenting so much -(or at least show us how great of a seller you are) you must have a record on ebay for the most comments. you giving advice and not showing your sales record speaks for itself.

Under couldabeenworse seller's ID they state in their listings:
Insurance is required on every item at the buyers expense (and they don't insure the package).
Returns are only accepted for Item not as described. Return shipping is the buyer's expense. A 20% restocking fee is charged and the refund will be minus the original shipping.
Contact me with any question (but they block buyers that do)
That's what I think of "posting IDs." If you are afraid to say who you really are and let people see how you list, buy and your feedback, I think your listings are the worst with the worst feedback and don't take any stock in the posts.
|
|
|
|
(122 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 22, 2012 02:39 PM
|
Under couldabeenworse seller's ID they state in their listings:
Nonsense.
|
|
|
|
(123 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 22, 2012 04:36 PM
|
thank you Sandyshoresvirtual~i thought is was something like that-thanks for sharing
couldabeenworse sellers information
Insurance is required on every item at the buyers expense (and they don't insure the package).
Returns are only accepted for Item not as described. Return shipping is the buyer's expense. A 20% restocking fee is charged and the refund will be minus the original shipping.
with a policy like this they do not need to sell on ebay or give advice
|
|
|
|
(124 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 22, 2012 05:07 PM
|
lovetoshop6100 wrote:
thank you Sandyshoresvirtual~i thought is was something like that-thanks for sharing
couldabeenworse sellers information

I was joking! I haven't a clue what's in their listings... but I always think those hiding their IDs are the worse offenders of policy. ![]:)](http://b.us-forums.lvwd.net/images/emoticons/devil.gif)
|
|
|
|
(125 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 23, 2012 04:04 PM
|
What Ebay seems to forget is that most of their sellers are also buyers.
This new 14 day minimum policy for returns threw me through a loop. Especially in listing a rare antique or a valuable item.
For the first time I have been exploring other auction sites I never knew about or thought about before. I am discovering that there are some good ones with excellent merchandise, good traffic for selling, are seller friendly with lower fees and don't mico-manage their sellers.
Serious buyers look for sellers with a good reputation reflected by their feedback score and reasonable shipping fees. Ebay is still the #1 auction site, but not for me any longer.
|
|
|
|
(126 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 23, 2012 04:32 PM
|
I list quite a few books and do not offer any return policy. In 14 days a buyer can read a book or use it for reference. They can then return it for a refund!!! I wish to sell books, not act as a library or book rental.
|
|
|
|
(127 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 23, 2012 05:11 PM
|
Read the bulletin, automated returns is going to be the default for ALL sellers in the future. I suggest you all start looking to the other auction sites if you don't want to be bankrupted by the ever increasing number of oppurtunist buyers. And Sandy, as for posting ID's there are very good reasons for using one.,
|
|
|
|
(128 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 23, 2012 06:04 PM
|
crawdaddygolf wrote:
What the heck are my options??!!! I have in my return policy the item cannot be used (golf clubs refinished) other than that i return for any or no reason at all. Now i have a buyer who says the shafts are not "stiff" which i have confirmed before i listed. Ebay has decided in the favor of the buyer (even though he admits to playing golf with these "new" clubs!) I have my return policy stating this and also again in the item discription yet ebay wants the buyer to send them back to me!
So does this mean i can buy something from a seller; beat the crap out of it and send it back for a refund?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!! What planet are they from. I buy the clubs off ebay and they make money. I refinish them and sell them on ebay and they make money; and now they want to tell me that i have to give a refund to someone who is new to ebay and may never buy something again; but i pay anywhere from 100 to 300+ per month in invoices and they are ok with pissing me off and leaving ebay??!!
Someone please give me some encouragement and tell me how to deal with these folks?

Crawdaddy, is that the titleist set? Your pictures are wonderful and you state both in your listing and in your return policy under Payment and Shipping the item cannot be used. Did he mean the "flex" when he said the shaft wasn't stiff? If I remember right there are five generally used ratings for shaft flex: Extra Stiff, Stiff, Regular, Senior and Ladies... and they are denoted by letters. I had to have a golf pro watch my swing, measure my swing speed, and watch the flight of my ball to tell me what flex I needed when I bought my clubs (which was YEARS ago). But I remember that because my dad told me the flex was really important and he told me to be sure when I bought clubs to have a pro suggest what flex I would need. I can't remember tho if that flex was noted on the club or that different manufacturers were suggested for different flexes! But I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if the buyer was complaining they were not the proper flex for him, it was the BUYERS fault for not asking questions or knowing what the heck he was buying. Which would fall under a "changed mind" and if he files an Item Not as Described for that it is clearly stated that Changed Mind is not covered under an Item Not as Described Dispute.
Also, I assume the dispute was settled in his favor before you received the item back. Your pictures were excellent. If you could show eBay they were not returned in the same condition as when purchased, you would have a good chance of appealing the decision and winning.... ebay may have to eat that $455 and give it back to you since they already took your money and gave it to the buyer.
|
|
|
|
(129 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 23, 2012 06:32 PM
|
justaposting_id wrote:
And Sandy, as for posting ID's there are very good reasons for using one.,

What are the good reasons?
I use my real ID here. The reason I do is because when I post something I want people to be able to see what I sell, how I list things, and see my feedback. I think that gives other posters a better idea behind my logic when I post.
When I see a post but can't see what the person is buying or selling, I have no idea what prompts them to say the things they do... and most of them rant and rave and argue a lot and belittle other posters. There are a few with posting IDs that I have learned to recognize their icon and take stock in what they say as they are very polite, are very knowledgeable, and give good information.
|
|
|
|
(130 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 09:27 AM
|
I have just sold a dental bridge that I described in perfect detail .
I stated in my listing that I did not know how much actual gold there was or for that matter if it contained any gold at all.
When the seller sends me a message asking me if there is any gold in the bridge I responded that they maybe only trace amounts or perhaps no gold at all.
Then he tells me that he has been working with metal in the dental field for some time and knows all about it.
So I wonder then why is he asking me this question?
And so I in messaged him and told him again that I did not know if there was any gold or just a little gold and that maybe if he wants to invest in precious metals he should stick with yellow gold, he should buy a gold testing kit and do research.
He tells me then, that he knows all about it and that I should send the bridge now..... So I sent it.
That I actually tried to talk him out of buying it is now annoying me as well because he just messaged me and told me that he tested the bridge and is returning the bridge because it has no gold!
I then messaged him back and told him, "sorry , but I only accept returns for items not as described.
My question is. Do I have any recourse other than sending this guy's payment back and excepting the return?? I do not find this situation as a learning experience. Is this what I can expect in the future?
|
|
|
|
(131 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 09:41 AM
|
I have just sold a dental bridge that I described in perfect detail .
I'm missing how "untested" = "perfect detail"?
Is this what I can expect in the future?
If you sell "scrap & recovered gold" with no gold in it, yes.
|
|
|
|
(132 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 09:52 AM
|
hi there
ok i´ve had someone who whats to return after 33 days after they have recieved the item, as far as i know they haven´t recieved it damaged or anything. this is the 45 days from when they first payed. they did not contact me until now, i´m not sure what to do.
please help
thanks toni
|
|
|
|
(133 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 10:59 AM
|
wantmostuff2 wrote:
he just messaged me and told me that he tested the bridge and is returning the bridge because it has no gold!
I then messaged him back and told him, "sorry , but I only accept returns for items not as described.
My question is. Do I have any recourse other than sending this guy's payment back and excepting the return?? I do not find this situation as a learning experience. Is this what I can expect in the future?

This would be good one to test eBay on. Since you have the eBay messages where you told him you didn't know if there was any gold in it, he can't return it as item not as described. It will have to be on the basis of "changed mind." If he tries to file a dispute under item not as described, it is clear in the policy that "changed mind" is not a reason for SNAD. I don't know of anywhere else he could file a dispute for changed mind... or could he go under "cancel transaction"? Stick to your guns and let us know how this turned out!
|
|
|
|
(134 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 11:05 AM
|
"Since you have the eBay messages where you told him you didn't know if there was any gold in it, he can't return it as item not as described."
wrong, wrong . wrong.
first a disclaimer like that in a listing violates several ebay policies. you can't disclaim anything in description, it's either gold or it's not.
seller would be best served by refunding as soon as item returned or could be looking at complaints filed also with postal service for fraud.
seems that seller maybe getting a wake up call by this listing age is a measure of time , wisdom is the measure of how we used that time
|
|
|
|
(135 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 12:12 PM
|
I only accept returns for items not as described.
And btw, your listings don't appear to state that, either.
|
|
|
|
(136 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 01:07 PM
|
tobrown65 wrote:
hi there
ok i´ve had someone who whats to return after 33 days after they have recieved the item, as far as i know they haven´t recieved it damaged or anything. this is the 45 days from when they first payed. they did not contact me until now, i´m not sure what to do.
please help
thanks toni

let it alone, 45 days from payment now , so they can't file a complaint with ebay/pay pal.
i'd not comunicate again unless they do , then a simple "i'm sorry but do to so much time has passed , we can no longer refund".
and go now to your blocked bidder list and block them . age is a measure of time , wisdom is the measure of how we used that time
|
|
|
|
(137 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 24, 2012 08:40 PM
|
First of all ........ , yes I believe I may take this all the way, so I will update you.
secondly ............For the person who thinks my listing was misleading, did you even look at the categories ebay gave as choices ?
I listed the item as : " A Dental Scrap Bridge " and that is exactly what it is . The word gold is nowhere in sight.
Thirty ............ I even suggested to him After he paid me that
maybe he should buy yellow gold instead and I was willing to refund his money right then.
But noooo he " knows ALLL about metals " and that " I should send the Item ! "
Fourth ............. For all I knew, he may have been a sculptor that does wild and crazy art pieces with dental materials , and since he never specified what he wanted it for ............ how would I know ?!
Oh, btw .......... to the one liner specialists , that absolutely MUST demonstrate just how intelligent and witty they are ........ forget it, you show a remarkable resemblance to my dental scrap buyer .
|
|
|
|
(138 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 25, 2012 07:23 AM
|
For the person who thinks my listing was misleading
You listed non-gold in the scrap gold category and offered a 14 day return policy you don't really have.
I don't believe you intended to deceive anybody, but, yes, those were both misleading.
|
|
|
|
(139 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 25, 2012 02:39 PM
|
Ebay has turned their backs on the people who made them what they are today... how will they survive if sellers bail on them? if there were a site that was what Ebay used to be even before the taking of a percentage of the shipping I would jump to it, as I am sure many sellers would. Intretesting... but if your package gets lost in transit and Ebay gives the buyer a full refund in a dispute, they still keep THEIR fees. Since Ebay is taking a percenatge of the shipping they should also resume part of the liability of the shipping... since they no longer support shipping
insurance as well
|
|
|
|
(140 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jun 26, 2012 11:20 PM
|
REAL stores allow you to return within 30 days. However, they are allowed to look at the item and deterimine whether it's been used or not and if so can deny your refund. Not Ebay...they DON'T care about us, period.
|
|
|
|
(141 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jul 17, 2012 05:55 PM
|
It's not E-bay making this descision, it's bad sellers. There is a guy, "I guess i canj't put names here" who gets old crashed or junked motorcycles and sells every part off of them. doesn't check anything, just takes them off and sells them. He states he doesn't give returns or even knows if things are working, You need to complain to these guys, not E-bay. I'm not crazy about E-bay either, they are out for the buck and don't care. Remember, it's easier for a buyer to quit and just start using amazon or newegg.com and get the same prices. Sellers are less likely to leave and what good is a seller without a buyer.I used to sell a lot here, now just a little, now am a buyer more and I always go anywhere else to buy and use E-bay as a last resort, due to getting ripped off a few times. I find I can get most electronics at newegg.com almost as cheap as here, but will never get stuck using them and amazon usually has everything available here and I seemed to have better luck there.So, anyone saying the customer is not always right, then your the reason we are all using othe sources.. Your not going to sell much once the buyers are gone.
|
|
|
|
(142 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jul 17, 2012 08:57 PM
|
Try selling lingerie and personal items.... yes they return used, not at all and against any store return. what we walk into victoria secrets buy a nice teddy- oh not as described-opps they have item and didnt return, or file return used. No store i know of excepts returns except ebay makes us- which we are lible and against some laws... so i agree and little john doesnt like his toys- what about mom who's teddy didnt do trick so dad was happy... someONE was happy... me great- one used teddy or panties.. best offer- or out funds and panties.... gotta love still paying the fee's!
|
|
|
|
(143 of 170)
Re: Sellers Unite! Return Policy Nightmare!
Jul 17, 2012 09:03 PM
|
|
|
|
|