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***Introducing Best Match: A new sort option based on relevance***

Oct 9, 2006 12:52 PM
Hi everyone,

I’m Esteban Kozak with eBay’s Finding team. We’re putting up an announcement board post shortly (from me) introducing "Best Match", a new sorting option for buyers on Search & Browse results.

"Best Match" lets you sort the listings you see based on a concept called relevance. Best Match is different from other sort options today that sort based on one piece of information, such as "Ending Soonest" or "Lowest Price". With relevance-based sort options like Best Match, listings are ranked based on the item’s title and description, plus past buyer behavior for similar searches.

Here’s what I mean when I say we’re factoring in past buyer behavior: with Best Match, what buyers do on the site will affect the order in which listings are displayed. In other words, if buyers running a particular search often end up viewing, bidding on, or buying a certain type of item more often, this will be factored into our relevance calculations. The Best Match scores for these types of items will be higher, and might display higher on the page because they are similar to items that have been more relevant for that search in the past.

One very important note: using this sort won’t change which listings are returned, it only changes the order in which listings are presented. No listings will be added or removed when you sort by Best Match.

Where to find "Best Match" sort

The "Best Match" sort is completely optional. You’ll be able to find this option in the next few days by clicking the drop-down menu next to "Sort by" at the top of the results list. If you’d like this to become your default sort view for your search results, use the "customize display" link right next to the drop-down.







One thing I want to make sure I get across: we will continue to use "Time: Ending Soonest" or "Time: Newly Listed" as the default sort orders for Search and Browse results, just as it works today.

We’re also working on another sort option that will let you sort listings by category. We’re hoping to release it later this month, and we’ll be back with an update then.

Following you will find some FAQs with a few of the more common questions we think will be asked.


Sincerely,

Esteban Kozak
Finding team


Question 1: What is "Best Match"?

Answer: "Best Match" is a new optional search results sort feature that will let buyers choose to sort their search results based on relevance. The "Best Match" feature gives buyers another way to organize their search results, helping them more quickly find what they are looking for.

Question 2: How does "Best Match" work?

Answer: When "Best Match" is selected, each listing's Best Match score is calculated using a number of factors, and is tailored to each buying situation. Along with the listing title and other information, one of most important elements in this calculation is the historical buyer behavior on the site for similar searches. The relevance ranking system scores listings higher based on the community's buying activity, so you should see the most relevant listings for your search at the top of the results. One thing to note: Best Match scores are only used to sort listings, and won’t be shown on the site.

Question 3: How do I get my items to show up when "Best Match" is selected?

Answer: Because of the complexity involved in calculating Best Match scores, it can be difficult to predict the position of a particular listing for a particular search. We recommend sellers follow the eBay Selling Tips in order to maximize the opportunity to rank high in this optional sort option.

Question 4: Is this the same as the "Best Matches" sort on eBay Express?

Answer: eBay Express uses and emphasizes a different set of factors to determine relevance. In addition, it utilizes buyer data from eBay Express buying activity, which will differ from eBay.com.

Question 5: When will I see the "Best Match" sort option?

Answer: The Best Match sort will be available in the next few days. You’ll only see it when you select it in the "Sort by" menu. We will continue to use "Time: Ending Soonest" or "Time: Newly Listed" as the default sort orders for Search and Browse results.

Question 6: You mention Best Match scores are based on a number of factors. What other factors are used besides the Community's buying activity?

Answer: "Best Match" scores are primarily driven by relevance ranking, which is based on Community bidding and buying activity for similar searches. For listings that have similar relevance ranking, Best Match scores may also incorporate other data to break ties, such as "time left" or "price".

Question 7: I don’t see my item in the relevance sort - why not?

Answer: The "Best Match" sort doesn’t change which items get returned for a particular search - it just changes the order of the items themselves. If your item isn’t appearing at all, please check this page: ‘where is my item’.

Question 8 (for eBay Developers): How do API users take advantage of the "Best Match" sort option?

Answer: The "Best Match" sort option includes additions to the eBay unified schema API. The GetSearchResults and GetCategoryListings calls will enable you to specify that the best matches are returned first. Additional information will be in version 481 of the unified schema API Release Notes, available by October 9, 2006.
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***Introducing Best Match: A new sort option based on relevance***

Oct 9, 2006 5:36 PM
Esteban, I'm begging you, if this doesn't work right, please pull it, please don't make us go thru more agony with glitches during this season-especially store owners, I know you "believe" in it and are trying to do something helpful for buyers/sellers and perhaps it will, but if it takes 2 or three weeks to work right and kills sales it's just going to do in alot of us in.

Dorothy
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Oct 9, 2006 6:04 PM
I suspect this is an attempt to move auctions that are more profitable to ebay, to the top of the search results. Perhaps it will benefit large sellers over the individual smaller seller. It's fiddling with the true search results, and ebay wouldn't do that unless it effects their bottom line in a "positive" way.

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***Introducing Best Match: A new sort option based on relevance***

Oct 9, 2006 6:06 PM
As a seller, Ive got more than a few reservations about this.
Whilst this may be useful to some buyers - small sellers are surely going to suffer. Logically the searches that lead to the most sales & going to be those by established sellers who have years of creating a listing to appeal to the buyer.
Whilst for buyers trading with longer established sellers will instill more confidence, as a seller on eBay for 10 years Im more than concerned about the impact this may have on future sellers.
One major factor in relevant sales from similar searches is surely sellers utilising the Buy It Now feature - 2 sellers with same item , similar title/description (possibly identical in case of items such as CDs & Books) - most buyers are going to take the item they can have now, rather than wait 5/6/7 days to buy same item for same price.
Buyers can already sort by location, by price, with/without BuyItNow & Paypal as well as duration, amongst other options ... Whilst they can make a further choice based on sellers FB. Therefore, I cannont see what futher benefit this is going to give buyers , whilst I can see it having an extremely detrimental effect on sellers - inexperienced sellers, as well as experienced ones. The buying process should not become so complicated with 101 different search options. Buyers want to come here, buy an item & receive it - if they wanted to spend so much time trying to narrow down something so specific with all these search options, theyd be as well going into town & physically buying the same item.
As a seller who occasionally buys - I find that the buying process is becomingly increasingly complicated, to the point that last night I eventually bought a CD from a retail site (I did get 3 others from eBay) - but ultimately a fragmented buy process sent me away from eBay. Thats not good for sellers, its not good for buyers & its not good for eBay.
Further, if users are put off of buying, they are not going to rush to sell themselves - if new sellers are put off of eBay, then it stands to reason that ultimately less items will become available in sale, which will lead to less buyers - ultimately affecting all sellers , many sellers are already struggling under increasingly expensive listing fees, less listing promotions than ever & other site changes which have already lead to reduction in many sellers sales (unless other discussion boards are acts of fiction). As a multiple powerseller, I fail to see the benefit that this extra tweak is going to have on my sales.
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Oct 9, 2006 6:22 PM
as a further note re: bottom line...
Its hard not to believe that there is an element re: maximising more profitable listings, however its interesting to note the following:
2 weeks ago, UK cheap_listing_day...
I generated more sales in the following 10 days, than I had in the 2-3 weeks before. Whilst listing fees payable were similar to a normal week - commissions were way up, overall my eBay bill was actually higher than a "normal" listing week. Sellers dont need these "search" gimmicks to try & improve our sales - we need lower listing fees to encourage us to advertise more items.
Financially I cannont afford to carry my full range on eBay every 7/10 days. Whilst we have most items in eBayStores on our various user IDs, the number of items listed in auction/BIN format are more restricted.
The fact that we can generate more income in 7-10 days from 1 day of listing, than we can with regular listings for 2-3 weeks surely points to the fact that listing fees have become too expensive.
Buyers ultimately want to buy an item, not spend an hour trawling eBay in the hope they eventually find something that matches their search criteria.
Being based in the UK I also have to contend with exchange rates - to the point that I chose not to list some items in US$ & A$ because the converted amount is into the next price banding - were fees back at levels they were a couple years ago (when I listed almost nothing in eBay stores & almost everything in auction/BIN format, albeit total range was half what it is now) I would have more items available via auction/BIN (im sure many more sellers would too) which in turn is surely better for eBay than a system where more & more gimmicks for buyers are being dreamt up.
"If it aint broke, dont fix it"...
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***Introducing Best Match: A new sort option based on relevance***

Oct 9, 2006 6:22 PM
Please leave this as optional.

The common everyday buyer doesn't understand they have options to begin with so they won't mess with it.

Optional only....yes, I just repeated myself. Because if it becomes the "new search" it will be the end of most of us here.:(
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***Introducing Best Match: A new sort option based on relevance***

Oct 9, 2006 6:26 PM
"If it aint broke, dont fix it"...

Ah, but that's what ebay does BEST -- screw up what's working, and leaving broken what isn't.
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Oct 9, 2006 6:35 PM
Postcardsandmore, I do believe that it is the beginning of the end for those of us here who found this an enjoyable place to be for the last several years (I started in 1997 - talk about problems!!! But Skippy was always there tweaking the servers to try to give us some service). Now you can't even get an intelligible response out of CS.
Sales are down - down - down as people will not spend the time to delete cookies and thus, if like me, are limited to one half hour of painfully trying to figure out what is on the search page before a terminal headache sets in. I don't see this making it better. I need very little info to know whether or not to look at a collectible.
But I believe we are preaching to the choir - ebay seems to be more interested in getting a new customer base than trying to keep the old one. Who knows why?
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Oct 9, 2006 6:37 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - For the love of GOD, stop adding these useless options ! All it will do is further confuse a buyer who is looking for something specific. The items that I sell are vintage versions of brand names that still exist. Surely I will get shuffled to the bottom of the list so that 'new' items will show up first. I can't prove that, but it's just a hunch.
At this time last year, I had about 1200 ebay store listings. I have since grown tired of ebay reporting record profits, then handing the store owners a HUGE price increase. Now I have just over 400, because I'm tired of it. OK, that was a little off topic, but you get the idea. If it works, don't fix it ! Leave the rocket science to NASA, and re-invest in your sellers.
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Oct 9, 2006 6:42 PM
I just did a search for flamingo towels, bases on "nearest".

Some items came up with mileage, but at least 3 showed "united states", when I clicked on them all had locations the same as other items i.e.-xyz, Florida-yet their locations had no mileage and hence were at the bottom, where as they were certainly closer to me than Canada, shown higher in the list.

Now maybe I don't understand all this- but examples like this are why most of us have no confidence in these changes.

Dorothy
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Oct 9, 2006 6:44 PM
Well, this is all very well and good as long as its optional, as a new seller I don't have a problem with established sellers who know how to write their auction listings better benefitting from their superior knowledge and experience, exploiting their ability to write the best titles and descriptions to drive traffic to their listings.

But its more of a "paid extra upfront for relevance" situation when once again, only auction listings come up at the top, and store listings, even if they may be more on target, are stuck at the bottom, or don't even show up on the first page if there are enough search results. I find often that the best bargains are in store listings, and I actively seek out those listings, but many EBay buyers aren't aware of this, and both they and store sellers lose as a result.
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Oct 9, 2006 6:44 PM
Don't you guys have enough to do every day? Do you just sit around trying to figure out how you can screw things up for sellers? This is not going to benefit any sellers. If it works, it might make browsing easier for some buyers. But it will only hurt sellers.

You even says it's a complicated process. And, you mention to sellers that they should read up on how to make sure their items show up in this new "feature".

We don't have time to keep up with this foolishness, change for the sake of change. I predict you are going to wind up with a lot of unintentional consequence, and at the worst time of the year for sellers.

Ebay management and now techies seem to be running around starting fires every where instead of putting them out. No wonder so many competitive auction sites are popping up everywhere. Fees keep going up and selling gets tougher every day..
In the complicated factors that you came up with in this mental exercise that you are engaging did you even consider that most buyers actually have thought processes and may be looking for something different than they usually do, but your new sort feature will defeat their own thought processes?
Stop messing with us.
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Oct 9, 2006 6:51 PM
ebay seems to be more interested in getting a new customer base than trying to keep the old one.

You know I have done everything from cry, to pout to rant and rave about all the changes that have taken place over the past 10 months.

I couldn't figure out why? Why are they destroying such a wonderful site? Why are they kicking all of the sellers who have made them what they are today? Why are they intent on changing every last remnant of the old ebay into something no one seems to know, want or even like?

And, I think you just gave me the answer. I don't like that thought, but I think you are absolutely correct.

That would explain everything Ebay has done this year from search related changes to click ads to wiki's and blogs and now myworld along with all the changes to the site basics:(
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Oct 9, 2006 7:33 PM
If anyone wants to see just what a disaster this "Best Match" system is - go to eBay Express where "Best Match" is shoved down buyers throats. It does NOT show all matches... it DOES show items based on popularity. So, the most often purchased item are shown, leading to being purchased even more often leading to being shown higher in the list... etc. To see how bad the "relevance" system is, click on related items (or whatever it is called) after doing a search on eE... rarely will the item be even remotely connected.

Smaller sellers, niche sellers and new items HAVE NO CHANCE with this system. On eE, and a Pink has confirmed this, if an item is not "relevant" according to eBay - IT DOES NOT SHOW IN THE SEARCH.

Of course buyers do not know they are NOT getting complete search results. They do not know that eBay is only feeding them selective (selected by eBay) items.

I sell a niche product and even though it was on eE - it would not show up in a search unless I searched for the EXACT title of the ad. I finally got an answer as to why... it was not placing high in the "Best Match" system and so eE did not show it in the search!! HOW am I supposed to sell anything if eBay won't show it in the search!!

WE PAY FOR SEARCH EXPOSURE - not to be shoved to the back of the search list or not to appear at all based on some goofy Best Match system.
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Oct 9, 2006 8:00 PM
I alway search for a very specific item, i.e., only a certain DVD title or clothing items (for ex brown pants 14). I'm not a browser. I doubt this would help me. Am I in the mainstream? Are most searches less specific?

And

why oh why do this just before the biggest selling time on ebay?

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