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pacificbrim
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Unemployment rate surges to an unbelievable 10.2% :-D :-D :-D

Nov 6, 2009 6:42 AM
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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83
Unemployment rate tops 10 percent for first time since 1983; 190,000 jobs lost in October

Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer
On 9:23 am EST, Friday November 6, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The unemployment rate has surpassed 10 percent for the first time since 1983 -- and is likely to go higher.

The jobless rate rose to 10.2 percent from 9.8 percent in September. The jump reflects a sharp increase in the tally of unemployed Americans, which rose to 15.7 million from 15.1 million. That was much larger than the net loss of jobs, which is based on a survey of businesses.

Economists say it could climb as high as 10.5 percent next year because employers remain reluctant to hire.

Friday's report is the first since the government said last week that the economy grew at a 3.5 percent annual rate in the July-September quarter, the strongest signal yet that the economy is rebounding. But that isn't fast enough to spur rapid hiring, raising the specter of a jobless recovery.

"You need explosive growth to take the unemployment rate down," said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for New York-based investment firm Miller Tabak & Co.

Greenhaus said the economy soared by nearly 8 percent in 1983 after a steep recession, lowering the jobless rate by 2.5 percentage points that year. But the economy is unlikely to improve that fast this time, as consumers remain cautious and tight credit hinders businesses. In fact, many analysts expect economic growth to moderate early next year, as the impact of various government stimulus programs fades.

Many economists also worry that persistently high unemployment could undermine the recovery by restraining consumer spending, which accounts for 70 percent of the economy.

One sign of how hard it still is to find a job: the number of Americans who have been out of work for six months or longer rose to 5.6 million, a record. They comprise 35.6 percent of the unemployed population, matching a record set last month.
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Re: Unemployment rate surges to an unbelievable 10.2% :-D :-D :-D

Nov 6, 2009 6:44 AM
To the record number of unemployed Americans: cheer up, be glad to be alive. Having a positive attitude will help your particular chances.:^O Things will pick up in a decade or so. Maybe. :^O :^O :^O
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Nov 6, 2009 7:24 AM
If you delve into the BLS numbers, the hollowing out of the economy becomes starker. For instance, since the beginning of the recession, jobs in health care GREW by nearly 600,000 positions.

Emptying bedpans and delivering pills is national overhead, not private investment in technology or rebuilding the infrastructure. It's like building bikepaths as far as improving future economic potential in the country.

Sad.
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Nov 6, 2009 7:24 AM
The real unemployment rate is closer to 18%
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Nov 6, 2009 7:25 AM
Well, at least I hope that all those hundreds of thousands of jobs that Obama is "creating or saving" are going to illegal aliens, since they're much more important than American Citizens (/sarcasm)

One thing is that many of these jobs may not come back due to outsourcing.

One thing that the Left says may be correct. If we keep outsourcing and if the gains in productivity keep accruing only to the top level people, making real median wages fall year after year, we'll eventually end up in a situation where nobody can afford to buy the products made. Then EVERYBODY loses.
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Nov 6, 2009 7:27 AM
> The real unemployment rate is closer to 18%
Unemployment Rate : 10.2%
Jobless Rate : 13.4%
Underemployment Rate : 18.7%

Unemployed: Those out of work, wanting work and looking for work
Jobless: Those out of work, wanting work, but NOT looking for work
Underemployed: Those who are working at part time jobs, and want full time jobs, but cannot find full time work
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Re: Unemployment rate surges to an unbelievable 10.2% :-D :-D :-D

Nov 6, 2009 7:33 AM
Outsourcing doesn't simply occur because the Chinese work for nothing. It mostly happens because the hassles of complying domestically puts the cost of doing business over the tipping point. Americans working in this country have advantages over foreigners (transportation costs, language barriers, legal issues, tariffs, corruption, etc) that have been overcome by liberal mandate costs. Feelgood things that are job-killers.

But trying to root those out psychologically will prove to be near-impossible, imo. It's going to take a going-to-Damascus moment that Americans are resisting with all their souls.
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Nov 6, 2009 7:37 AM
#6,

Very True.
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Re: Unemployment rate surges to an unbelievable 10.2% :-D :-D :-D

Nov 6, 2009 8:44 AM
pacificbrim, What is your answer?
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Nov 6, 2009 8:48 AM
You asked pac, but I'll give my answer.

In the short term, there really is no answer. People are scared, companies aren't hiring. That's not good.

Long term, I would stop all bailouts and stimulus packages. I would stop the current health care plan up before Congress and work on a better and cheaper one. I would remove anti-business regulations, while keeping (and adding) a few that make sense, mostly designed for transparency and to curb some of the more stupipd practices.

I would cut the total budget by 1% each year until we have a real surplus, and then increase it by only 1% each year until our debt is around $2 Trillion, all the while slowly increasing interest rates.

I would work to get and keep as many illegal aliens out of the country as I could, and I would work hard to erase the "gimmee! gimmee! gimmee!" atttiude that pervades so many people.
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Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM
There is an answer in the short term - a jobs program from the government - and in the long term that is cheaper and better for the economy which, right now, is sinking - jobs wise.

Your answer is welcome. I don't know that pacificbrim has an answer to the job loss spiral that started 22 months ago under the last socialist.
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Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM
> jobs program from the government in the long term cheaper and better for the economy
This might be true IF they're jobs that really need doing, like cleanup and infrastructure. If it's just hole-digging make-work, then it's a waste of time, and we'll lose overall due to administrative costs.

We'd also need to make dang sure that no illegal aliens are getting these jobs.

> under the last socialist.
I wish I could come up with some clever insult to this, but I can't. :(
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Nov 6, 2009 9:31 AM
I wish I could come up with some clever insult to this, but I can't.

You tried, and under socialism that's all that matters. ;)
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Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM
> You tried, and under socialism that's all that matters.
Cool. I expect my bailout check to arrive any day now. :)
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Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - The unemployment rate has surpassed 10 percent for the first time since 1983 - and is likely to go higher.

Nearly 16 million people can't find jobs even though the worst recession since the Great Depression has apparently ended. The Labor Department says the economy shed a net total of 190,000 jobs in October, less than the downwardly revised 219,000 lost in September.

But the loss of jobs exceeded economists' estimates. It's the 22nd straight month the U.S. economy has shed jobs, the longest on records dating back 70 years.

Counting those who have settled for part-time jobs or stopped looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.

The jobless rate rose from 9.8 percent in September
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