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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 6:30 AM
My understanding is that the 20-Democrat hispanic caucus is attempting to get the ability for illegals to purchase healthcare written in, threatening to vote against the bill if it isn't.

I think writing full coverage provisions in for illegal aliens will kill the bill for most Democrats, so I hope this ploy is unsuccessful. The hispanic caucus stands to lose for its many uninsured legal constituents if it holds this line for the illegals. That would persuade me to fold on the issue, in their shoes.


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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 7:07 AM
My understanding is that the 20-Democrat hispanic caucus is attempting to get the ability for illegals to purchase healthcare written in, threatening to vote against the bill if it isn't.

I think writing full coverage provisions in for illegal aliens will kill the bill for most Democrats, so I hope this ploy is unsuccessful. The hispanic caucus stands to lose for its many uninsured legal constituents if it holds this line for the illegals. That would persuade me to fold on the issue, in their shoes.


Oh, brother. Democrat voters will never, EVER turn on one of their own - for fear of rupturing the coalition - when it comes to doling out money from the national ATM. It would completely unravel the scam.

The only case about which I can recall where faithful Dems stiffed their bros is on the homosexual marriage issue. Blacks abandoned the hand that fed them, and got a lot of grief from the gay community in return. But it didn't involve giant wads of OPM.
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 7:12 AM
#1,

Actually, it looks like there is nothing in the bill either way, which means that illegals could buy inusrance, and get into other parts of the system, there is nothing keeping them out.

Attempts to get anti-illegal alien wording into the bill are being fought by the Hispanic Caucus, and so far it looks like their wishes are being met.

I guess Joe Wilson was right after all.
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:11 AM
I still think the hispanic caucus will have to cave eventually. Unless they want to be the ones who kill the bill for everyone, including the larger part of their own constituency.


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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:19 AM
How come illegal immigrants, or people who have entered the USA illegally can have any rights at all where they want to dip in to the public purse?

They can even vote?

They can work and can pay taxes?

So, they're not really very illegal at all, are they?
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:19 AM
Why is it that if you cross the North Korean border illegally you are thrown
into prison and get 12 years at hard labor;

And, if you cross the Iranian border while out supposedly leisurely hiking in
the hills, you get arrested and imprisoned.

But, if you cross the U.S. Border illegally, you get a drivers license, a
Social Security card, free health care, and free education!

Who's bright idea was this?!





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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:23 AM
I cannot even believe we are talking about this nonsense! They shouldn't even BE HERE, much less accessing our system in any way.... :(
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:23 AM
Attempts to get anti-illegal alien wording into the bill are being fought by the Hispanic Caucus,....


Of course this is a red rag to a bull.....


What happens when you eventually have an Islamic Caucus?
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:25 AM
No other civilized country allows people to enter illegally, and then stay and reap actual benefits! I would like to see them sent back to their country of origin when law enforcement or medical workers encounter them. They can come back in the legal way if they think it is so great here! There is no logical argument for allowing this situation to continue....just wait until word spreads that they are going to be included in the healthcare plan!
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:29 AM
> They can even vote?
They can legally vote in local elections in some municipalities, like Tacoma Park, Maryland.
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:31 AM
Well, I would guess that if the hispanic caucus got illegals in on the healthcare benefits, any other illegals from any other area would have the same access.

It's an insanely stupid idea, and unfair to all of the legal residents.

The only give I have seen in the anti-illegal-coverage position is concern for children who don't really have any say in what side of the border they end up on. And you can have a pretty good argument about that.


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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:34 AM
There is something wrong with a system when illegal alien immigrants can vote or access the same social services which are available to citizens or legally recognised residents.
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:37 AM
Iapetus, we can definitely agree on that. I don't support a full round up and deport, and in any case, it wouldn't be practical to hunt down 20 million people. What we can do, though, is completely shut off the job and benefit taps for all illegals, and deport them as we find them, punish citizens who hire them or aid them, and secure the border to stop future crossings.
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Re: WTF..Illegals Allowed in Healthcare PlanX-(

Nov 6, 2009 8:44 AM
I agree, and it's not looking good:

Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus object to a provision in the Senate legislation – backed by the White House – that bars illegal immigrants from buying health insurance within a proposed new marketplace, or exchange, even if they use their own money to buy from private companies.

Illegal immigrants can buy private health insurance now, so some lawmakers say the White House position goes too far. The House bill doesn't have that language, and several members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus met with Obama at the White House on Thursday to tell him that if that changed, he could lose as many as 20 votes.

"I think that he got our message," Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., head of the Hispanic Caucus, said afterward.

House leaders said that, in keeping with the Hispanic Caucus' demands, there was not likely to be any prohibition added to the House bill against illegal immigrants shopping in the exchange.


So they can already buy private insurance - our first step down the wrong path. But that's not the same thing as participating in a pool with lowered prices. This goes against the sort of very limited public option that DSM envisioned and with which I agreed - a public plan which was as lean as possible and only there for those who had absolutely no other options.


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