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Professional Marketing International
May 14, 2008 02:06 PM
My daughter purchased some dvds/books from an infomercial about selling on ebay. Several weeks later, Professional Marketing Internation (PMI) contacted us about her purchase and wanting to enroll us in their seller's program. It would include mentoring/over-the-phonelessons/tips 24/7 for 6+ months, help selling on ebay, establishing a website on the internet to sell products we purchased by drop-shipment, links, tools for selling etc, etc. all for the price of $6.900+, and told us we would recoup that investment in the first month of business. I am very, very skeptical, but my daughter wants to jump right in. Help, do any of you know anything about PMI?
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Re: Professional Marketing International
May 2, 2012 06:40 AM

As more people become aware of multitude of scams perpetrated by PMI (TaxClub, StoresOnLine, etc), it becomes evident that most of the effort to battle the fraudulent company and its affiliates seems to have been grossly misguided, and hence it contributes to nothing beyond suffering and despair which run rampant among  victims of PMI's scams. I too was scammed by the company out of nearly 15K in the Spring of last year. Yet, I was able to get ALL of the funds back... down to the last penny, after I initiated the dispute through my credit card company more that 6 months since the original transaction with PMI took place. I succeeded. And now it is my turn to pass the torch of help.

 

List of DO's in attempting to get ALL of your money back from PMI:

 

1) DO call your credit card company within 1 year of the original transaction date and initiate the dispute.

2) DO substantiate your dispute with your credit card company based on your own interaction with the fraudulent PMI (i.e. not based on how PMI scammed numerous other victims).

3) DO demand speaking with the card's supervisors if unhappy with their regular employees' input until you are satisfied with the bank's effort on your behalf.

4) DO absolutely ask your credit card company to forward PMI's rebuttals to you after the dispute has already been in progress, because PMI will most definitely retaliate. Unless your credit card company is successful at deflecting PMI's rebuttals on its own before it is escalated to the representment department within the bank, it very likely may eventually yield to PMI's fraudulent assertions and consequently have the case lost on your behalf. Therefore, it is imperative to monitor the progress of the dispute.

5) DO argue (and substantiate) that the services were not as described, even if they were rendered, because this is the claim which PMI will most definitely use in their rebuttals. Once again, it is absolutely imperative to monitor the progress of the dispute and (if need be) be able to write your own negating follow-ups to the fraudulent rebuttals which PMI will surely try to utilize to support their fraudulent case against you.

 

List of DONT's in attempting to get ALL of your money back from PMI:

 

1) DO NOT absolutely engage PMI in any discussions once you feel you have been scammed.

2) DO NOT attempt or expect to get any refund from PMI themselves.

3) DO NOT reference other people being scammed. Focus on your experience only.

4) DO NOT deal with any recovery companies alleging to work on your behalf in fighting PMI. These are border-line PMI-like scavenger companies who merely mimic jurisprudential basics by working on contingency basis all while solely attempting to collect a hefty piece of your refund which should rightfully be yours in its entirety.

5) Once again, (it can't be stressed enough) absolutely DO NOT deal with PMI directly, what so ever.

 

NOTE: If, by any chance, you are past the 1 year mark to file a dispute with your credit card company, DO consider writing dispute to attorney General both within your own state and in Utah. These do work too and they are done free of charge unlike with recovery companies.

 

I have nothing to gain by sharing these blue prints, if you will, publicly. I worked hard to have my case resolved successfully. And by having done so, I feel obligated to help other victims.

(49 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Apr 7, 2012 08:14 PM

We have done a background report on Professional Marketing International and other known accomplices (see below link) PLEASE LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD OR UPDATE ANYTHING! Please note report consists of previous client feedback who had previously done business with Professional Marketing International.

 

BACKGROUND REPORT – Professional Marketing International - http://fiadservices.com/company-list/reported-large-scale-scam-list/professional-marketing-international-scams/

 

Reported accomplices so far for Professional Marketing International;

Professional Marketing International

PMI

P M I

PMI Coaching

PMI Education

Wasatch Summit LLC

myEBiz

My E Biz

National Marketing Resources

Home Buyer’s Club

Operation Dropship

Interactive Training System

Click Sell Go

AFI Auction Max

SKW Central

Sean Keegan Walker’s Tax Liens & Deeds

Electronic Marketing Services Inc

EMS Coaching

EMS

EMServe LLC

PMI Education Center

Insidersedge

The Insiders Edge

Think a Little Different

uSight Home Inc

Home Inc

Home Office Marketing Enterprises

Stores on Line

Storesonline Inc

Imergent Inc.

H.O.M.E. Inc

H O M E Inc.

HOME Inc.

Tafiti Consulting

 

http://fiadservices.com/company-list/reported-large-scale-scam-list/professional-marketing-international-scams/

 

Please check out the other companies we have also been informed of listed on our site should you hear of them in the future.

 

FIAD Card Services (please visit our website, http://www.fiadservices.com  ). We definitely can be of help if you have not yet received a full refund. We have no upfront fees and work on a contingency basis. We only need you to answer a few questions to confirm we can help. PLEASE NOTE- The original purchase date must be within the past 24 months.

(48 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Mar 2, 2012 07:47 AM

Has anyone heard of Creating New Success Stories?  Sounds similar to PMI.

(47 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jul 28, 2011 10:01 PM
I used to work at PMI, shortly, at their Scottsdale office. It was next to a massage therapy school.

The people that are selling you this coaching for thousands of dollars, are simply reading off a script, and they adapt it a little bit to sell it better. When I worked there I don't believe anyone even knew what they were selling or if any of it was legit. What's even more frightening, is that most of these "professional real estate coaches" are also reading from a template! They can not provide any better support to you for real estate or business than your local library or the internet.

Borderline illegal scam.
(46 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jul 16, 2011 11:11 AM
I also got taken by Stores In Line, PMI and the Tax Club, etc. About a year ago I wrote a letter to all of thery all got the same letter. I talked to Stores on Line and they refunded haft of what I paid. I talked to PMI, Shannoin Tooley, and he asked me to please give them another chance. He also said I should have gotten all my money back from the tax club and it's affiliates. I have received nothing!! The coach assigned to me by PMI did not always keep appointments. Sick, etc. I ended up in the hospital and rehab for a badly broken femor and no internet access. When I got out oif the hospital I called my coach and was told he has no more time for me. I used it all up. So here I am still NOT A Single sale!! Needless to say I am not a happy camper. Do I trgink I have been scammed. YES I DO!! PMI does not let you leave their seminars without signing up. They don't give you the opportunity to check them out first.
(45 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jun 8, 2011 10:29 AM
Thank you so much for your information,( I was scammed also) I will try this method to get my money back.
(44 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Apr 16, 2011 07:21 AM
This is exactly what I experienced. Was contacted by PMI after I purchased Anthony Morrison's book "Advertising Profits From Home". "Donny" is scheduled to call me back today to speak with his "senior consultant" to answer the questions I have.

After reasearching this company and reading these posts, they aren't getting any of my money! Do what you want out there, but this guy isn't biting. I'll try to contact Anthony Morrison directly and see if he's on the up and up.
(43 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Apr 16, 2011 06:40 AM
I have been contacted recently by PMI because I purchased Anthony Morrison’s "Marketing Profits From Home" package. I like what I have read in his books, and feel that I made a sound purchase. (it was under $25.00) The program does include very good information and what is not included is easily found for free online.

After reading all kinds of comments referring to PMI, I recognize so many of the catch phrases that they (Trevor) used on me, just as they did on other people who have purchased numerous other products over the last couple of years. I have successfully put them off so that I could do research on their company before I spent my money with them.

I recognize a sales pitch right away. I recognize them creating a "sense of urgency" to buy their service. I recognize "the take-away", that if I don’t buy in today, I could lose my spot to someone else. I recognize transferring me to a “closer” after building me up with scenarios of success, if only I will follow exactly what they say.

Then I am transferred to Matt R., the closer. Trevor has set up this phone appointment for me to speak with him, and I am told that not may people get to speak with Matt. So, at the appointed time Matt calls and goes over some of the same warm-ups that Trevor did. Then we get to the most interesting part. He wants to know how much money I am ready to put on my credit card TODAY. It goes around and around with me asking specific questions that are ignored in favor of more talk of how I am lucky to have this opportunity, how he gets paid whether or not I am ready to be a success and start today. He is preparing to start making a plan with me when I tell him my credit cards are in my safe deposit box in my bank. Everything screeches to a halt. I am asked when can I get to my cards, because we can go no further without my cards. I ask for a specific written accounting of what this $6,965.00 is going to cover. I am told he is happy to do that AFTER I pay for the “course”. I am given nothing, absolutely nothing, to make me feel safe and secure about giving my credit card to a complete stranger. My questions don’t get answered and I am redirected each time I attempt to get any sort of information.

I am supposed to speak with the people at PMI again once I have credit card in hand. I will call them and ask why I have found so many cases of people unhappy with their service from many products they have “courses” for. I will ask why all the testimonials have almost word for word quotes of what the PMI sales people say to get us to fork over a large sum of money.

They wont be getting mine. I will work Anthony’s book without PMI and try to contact Anthony on my own to see if he knows what PMI is representing. I suggest that anyone who has found their way to this forum looking for info on PMI will keep their credit cards in their pockets and run for the hills.

And if all this doesn't encourage you to keep your money in your pocket, go to the BBB website and look at all the info on PMI, including all the name changes to their "business".
(42 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Apr 13, 2011 08:24 PM
I checked out PMI with the BBB - they have an A rating. I also checked out the websites you listed, and they check out as good sites - page rank of at least 2 by google and ranked by Alexa. I'm not sure how you decided these websites aren't any good - please let me know what critera you used to slam these sites. And no, I don't work for PMI, have never worked for PMI. I have been doing research on PMI and so far they pass muster - how many of you na-sayers have spent any time researching this company, as opposed to just "knowing" this must be a rip-off?
"rip off.com" seems to like PMI too.
But I'm with them now and they missed 4 out of seven meetings with me. I was told I'd make my $8,885 back in 2 months, that is next week and this is where I stand
no web site
no product

What gets me burned up is that I received a number of calls from "the tax club" and I told them I would not do anything with them till I heard from PMI about them. I called Jerome King and my coach for advise on TTC and they never returned my call. TTC roped me in by telling me to watch a video that PMI put out showing that they do work together. I went for a ride and was taken for $3,693.
My coach called for our next meeting and said that joining ttc was up to me. (better late than never)
Later that week ttc called again and asked for $7,790 when I said I didn't have it, they offered $5,790 they then drew $2,000 off my card and the rest I had to pay with a check. I had 3 business days to change my mind. I changed it after reading the agreements so I never signed them. I called my credit card up to cancel the number and found ttc with drew the $2,000 even though I didn't sign.
PMI also deal with "Myebiz", Your product pick are submitted to them to see how they would do on line. After submitting them myebiz didn't know who I was and asked for money before doing any service.
I looked up both "the tax club" and "my e biz" and niether one sounds good, too many complaints. BBB gives tax club an F.

Now should I or any one go to PMI when they send you to co. that are going to rip you off? Well this is what I will be thinking when I go to bed tonight.
(41 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Mar 16, 2011 10:27 PM
OMG! Stay away from them! eBay has its own tutorials. PMI is run by Mormons out of Utah who probably don't follow the church'es teachings very well. They own just about every scamming informercial on TV as well as over 800 scamming sites. Go to ripoffreport.com and check out the hundreds of pages of complaints. That will explain all.
(40 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Mar 15, 2011 07:51 PM
I checked out PMI with the BBB - they have an A rating. I also checked out the websites you listed, and they check out as good sites - page rank of at least 2 by google and ranked by Alexa. I'm not sure how you decided these websites aren't any good - please let me know what critera you used to slam these sites. And no, I don't work for PMI, have never worked for PMI. I have been doing research on PMI and so far they pass muster - how many of you na-sayers have spent any time researching this company, as opposed to just "knowing" this must be a rip-off?
(39 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Feb 4, 2011 01:17 PM
There are several of these programs in circulation. Many don't deliver on their promises. Most require you to do a lot more work than you think you are getting into -- and most people never do, so the program doesn't "work for them". There is no free lunch, but you also don't always get what you pay for. There are some good programs around. I've worked with a couple and been quite pleased. All the material you need (there really are no "secrets" or "magic" formulas -- I'm a Wizard, I should know!) are generally available for free or nominal cost. Even professional help to find what you need and answer your questions shouldn't cost that much. The up-sell (unless it is for something real) -- and they're good at it -- is just to get as much of your money as they can before you realize you've been taken. I've provided website and domain and blog and alternate selling venue, and mentoring, and put the client on the first page of Google for their major keywords and never spent $6900.00! Shesh, where are you guys when I'm listing my service???


Steve/wiz
Rev. Stephen B. Henry, PhD.
Executive Director
Online Sellers Association

(38 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 30, 2011 01:31 AM
I now know I was taken by PMI and Tax Club. I thought I did a good job of checking before signing up but I guess my greed blinded me!
I did learn quite a few things by the way, like website creation and SEO,but not $4500 worth ( PMI was so "kind" to lower the fee after I refused to pay $9500) . The tax club was even worse! $4600 for incorporation, tax "planning" (do not need planning if you are not making any money), tax preparation and a bunch of "missed" appointments.
I opened in March and so far I have sold enough items to make $150 profit.
I have sent emails to someone named Jason Cox (who signed the guarantee that said I would recoup this money in 6 months) without as much as an email back.
Like I said, I did learn how to make a website and how to promote it so if I do not get my money back, I will use my website to expose their scam. I will follow them even if they change their name or address.
I will start here on FleaBay, Dave Espino will be the first target!
So everyone, look out for Dave Espino, Professional Marketing International (PMI) from Lehi, UT, The Tax Club and Stores on Line.
Do not buy anything from them! If you want their products for free, email me. I kept copies of everything they had to offer. May be do a torrent search, i may upload the info somewhere..........
(37 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 29, 2011 11:22 PM
Hi simpli, I am working with my credit card company to get PMI to refund my $6,980.00. As of 11-11-10, I am facing the same story as your stated. Have you been successful in getting your refund? I will post my results as soon as I can. ranlanders
(36 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 20, 2011 08:38 AM
I would like to get your updated feelings about Professional Marketing international.
(35 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 11, 2011 12:15 AM
I have been contacted recently by PMI because I purchased Anthony Morrison’s "Marketing Profits From Home" package. I like what I have read in his books, and feel that I made a sound purchase. (it was under $25.00) The program does include very good information and what is not included is easily found for free online.

After reading all kinds of comments referring to PMI, I recognize so many of the catch phrases that they (Trevor) used on me, just as they did on other people who have purchased numerous other products over the last couple of years. I have successfully put them off so that I could do research on their company before I spent my money with them.

I recognize a sales pitch right away. I recognize them creating a "sense of urgency" to buy their service. I recognize "the take-away", that if I don’t buy in today, I could lose my spot to someone else. I recognize transferring me to a “closer” after building me up with scenarios of success, if only I will follow exactly what they say.

Then I am transferred to Matt R., the closer. Trevor has set up this phone appointment for me to speak with him, and I am told that not may people get to speak with Matt. So, at the appointed time Matt calls and goes over some of the same warm-ups that Trevor did. Then we get to the most interesting part. He wants to know how much money I am ready to put on my credit card TODAY. It goes around and around with me asking specific questions that are ignored in favor of more talk of how I am lucky to have this opportunity, how he gets paid whether or not I am ready to be a success and start today. He is preparing to start making a plan with me when I tell him my credit cards are in my safe deposit box in my bank. Everything screeches to a halt. I am asked when can I get to my cards, because we can go no further without my cards. I ask for a specific written accounting of what this $6,965.00 is going to cover. I am told he is happy to do that AFTER I pay for the “course”. I am given nothing, absolutely nothing, to make me feel safe and secure about giving my credit card to a complete stranger. My questions don’t get answered and I am redirected each time I attempt to get any sort of information.

I am supposed to speak with the people at PMI again once I have credit card in hand. I will call them and ask why I have found so many cases of people unhappy with their service from many products they have “courses” for. I will ask why all the testimonials have almost word for word quotes of what the PMI sales people say to get us to fork over a large sum of money.

They wont be getting mine. I will work Anthony’s book without PMI and try to contact Anthony on my own to see if he knows what PMI is representing. I suggest that anyone who has found their way to this forum looking for info on PMI will keep their credit cards in their pockets and run for the hills.

And if all this doesn't encourage you to keep your money in your pocket, go to the BBB website and look at all the info on PMI, including all the name changes to their "business".
(34 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 7, 2011 05:17 AM
At first, my husband and I told PMI "no" when they contacted us re: their program. After they repeatedly said there was a money back guarantee which they gave to us in a written contract, we agreed to pay $10,000 for the program. The very hard lesson we learned was that the money back guarantee was valid only after we could prove that we did EVERYTHING they told us to do to get our website up and running, which was nearly impossible. Run as far as you can from this!! It is totally deceptive!
(33 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 6, 2011 02:30 PM
Professional Marketing International is a total scam for the tune of $6395.00. Do not believe a single word that ANY of them say. They will not refund your money when you realize that it is not what you intended to get into. They fast talk, and keep drawing you along. I refuse to quit and will black ball them in ever place I can find a place to do it.

Sue
(32 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Oct 30, 2010 10:04 PM
PMI is a scam and all what they are looking for is people who are desperate and looking to make money from thin air.They try to find people to hand out there personal information without any questions asked.Who in the world would ask you for $6000 over a phone? and expect from you to say yes and don't ask any questions? Only people who are well trained to frame a dream and talk to you into sleep throughout the phone call until you give your credit card info...

Personal experience that led to no success from there side!
(31 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Sep 13, 2010 08:12 AM
The problem with PMI is they say they will teach you for 6 months then after 6 weeks they cut you loose. It's probably perfect time for them as it is harder to deny the credit card charge after that period of time. PMI is a scam and I'm working to get my money back right now.
(30 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Sep 7, 2010 08:16 AM
My daughter and I were approached by PMI over a year ago. They knew we had never operated an online business. They made everything seem so easy.

At first they would call us to see how we were doing. We never hear from them now, unless we call them.
We built our website, from buying books from book stores, to obtain more knowledge. It has been one of the biggest mistakes of our lives
They told us we would have most or all of the loan we borrowed from them, paid back within six month followed by a success story. What a joke! The last person I spoke to with PMI, didn't even have time to answer and help us with our questions.

Knowing what I know now, If I had looked in to this a bit further, I could have done this without PMI and save ourselves a lot of money.

So here were are almost one year in business, making nothing! We work on our site practically everyday and still nothing. The only monthly payment I get, is the one I have to send to them for this so called business opportunity!

Do some research and do it yourself.
(29 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM
Submit a complaint form to your State Attorney General's Internet Bureau Division, IN ADDITION TO, a complaint form to the State of Utah Attorney General's Internet Bureau Division. P.M.I. will disregard your State A.G.'s complaint as they know your State's A.G. has no legal jurisdiction over a Utah based company. Request your State A.G.'s office send you a letter of their findings. Then, submit this letter as an attachment to your complaint with the State of Utah Attorney General's office. Your money will be refunded QUICKLY. Best of luck and drop me a line with your results.
(28 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Feb 13, 2010 04:06 PM
I used to work for PMI, and here's how it works............... PMI pays big bucks for "leads" generated by Auctions For Income, Stores Online and all of these other Internet and Real Estate gurus who promise you via seminars, or informercials that you can make money online or in real estate.
So people pay $30 for the kit or whatever, and now they've become a "lead" for PMI to call.
These telemarketers call these leads and upsell them on mentoring and coaching for between $2,000 and $15,000. It's a two-part sell. There's a Setter and a Closer. The Setter "sets" the deal up to be closed. They say you have to qualify but in reality EVERYONE qualifies (if they have the money to pay for the program of course) They get the client all emotional by "building pain" and painting some sort of work-at-home fantasy by asking, "What would you do with an extra 5-10K per month? Typical sales stuff.
The Setter also finds out how much money The Lead has on their credit card so they can relay this information over to the Closer so that the Closer knows how much money they can be sold for.
The Closer then closes the deal by mentioning what the program is about blah blah blah, gets the money and wishes them luck.
Each sales person involved gets a nice little 12-20% cut of the sale depending on how much sales volume they've put up on the board that week.
I've been both a Setter and a Closer and after doing this for several years I left. I left for two reasons.
#1 - I felt like I was ripping people off. Do these people get mentored? Yes. Is it a total rip off? Do the Setters and Closers lie their asses off to get the sale? Does PMI deliver on everything promised? Was the sale manipulative in many different ways? YES YES and YES!
#2 - There is a lot of pressure in this sales industry to deliver (as with most of course) And when I say that I mean, each sales person is expected to squeeze every lead for as much money as possible, and if you fall short of the expectations, you get less leads and eventually you leave.
If someone has $10,000 in credit available, then they're going to get pitched for $9600. If they have $4000 available then the sales pitch is for $3800. ALL of which are considered "conservative" ranges. I didn't like how I was supposed to take money from people regardless of what they actually needed to invest. I could go into more detail but I think you get the picture.
I've lost a lot of sleep and have spend many hours on my knees asking God to forgive me for ripping hundreds of unsuspecting, vulnerable, hard working Americans out of their hard, earned cash.
Are there Success Stories? Of course there are. I don't know the exact figures but if I had to make a bet, I would say that maybe, just maybe 1 out of every 50 people that truely follow the PMI course, get their money back, it's probably worse but I'm an optimist.
So to sum it all up.........don't do it, it's a rip off. PMI is built on greed, deceit, and preying on the weak. And if anyone that works for PMI is reading this, you know I'm right and speak the truth, go get a real job buddy.
(27 of 50)
Re: Professional Marketing International
Jan 30, 2010 03:37 PM
PMI (Professional Marketing International) is a Real Scam! I am trying to recover my $5,405.
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