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maureenrgreen
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Wake Up America!

Nov 6, 2009 10:19 PM
Your country is being taken from you. Don't you realize all you stand to lose if Obama and Pelosi get their way? They are ready to ram down your throat a huge government program which will affect everyone in America for the rest of our lives. This is a very critical time in our lives and we should not be railroaded into a government plan which will affect us and our children. Once this program is put into effect it will be impossible to reverse it. This is a very serious time in our life and we need to stand up and tell them NO! We, the people, should have more input into this. This should not be rammed down our throats. We should have some say in what will affect us for the rest of our lives. Our government is not listening to us. God bless us all!
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*dm*
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 8:45 AM
Terry, that is STILL 20,000 lives lost because of NO insurance! Does that not bother you in the least? I'm not very good at math, but even I know that adds up to more than 5 people every day dying because they don't have insurance! In fact, it's 54.79 people who die EVERYDAY because they don't have insurance. That is 1 too many, imho....

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rich_ismyname
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:03 AM
"The numbers say treatment kills more than lack of it does."

Not so. You're not counting the number who would have died without treatment. Even the uninsured can walk into an ER and avoid immediate death.


The problem with problem solving is that you must first admit what the problem is.
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bartlettbooks
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:13 AM
I know a young man. First job out of college. Beginner wages, after take out he clears maybe between $800-$900 per month. No employee health benefits. The Cheapest he can get insurance for is about $500 per month, even if he is only 24 years old. He had a gallstone attack. Went to hospital, his gallstones were removed, and he stayed in the hosptal 36 hours. Total bill was almost $29,000

The least amount the hospital would agree to, was he pay $400 per month. He could not do this so he had to take bankruptcry.

Now i don't know about you, but I just don't think it is right for a young person starting life to have a mark like this because of needing medical help, and if Obama and the Democrats can help in this kind of situation, then I am all for them. And I don't believe his situation is all that unusual. There are a lot of folks not making much, no employer insurance, or they have lost their jobs in these times and have no insurance.
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bartlettbooks
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:20 AM
True Americans? Cut that crap. I am in favor of Obama and health care, and I am just as true American as you. I really do resent this stuff coming from the rightwing. If you don't agree with them, then somehow you are not a true American, and somehow their country has been stolen from them.
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rich_ismyname
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:20 AM
And while in the ER, the uninsured can be killed by a "medical error" just as easily as someone with insurance. Quite likely more easily since they are going to get absolutely minimal treatment to stabilize and release.

There are those who have high-deductible insurance policies who never see a doctor unless in unbearable distress because they have to pay for it.

There are those with no insurance that go to ER's for a cold.

You haven't identified the correct populations with which to compare countable deaths.

Under your argument, although medical science saved my life fifteen years ago, I would be better off dead because I may be killed by medical error in the future.


The problem with problem solving is that you must first admit what the problem is.
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teach*here
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:25 AM
Ditto, bartlett.

Your country is being taken from you.

This great country will survive this boondoggle!


Which is it, Maureen?

And yes of course, I have called my representatives and expressed my views but unfortunately they are not of my persuasion


Oh, so tempting!! :^O

Cymru Am Byth!
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bartlettbooks
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:34 AM
2006
The Urban Institute estimated that 22,000 adults died in 2006 because they did not have health insurance.



In 2006, a total of 2,426,264 resident deaths were registered in the United States.
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That would make over 2 million deaths by insured folk

So you odds are better if you're uninsured I guess?[/quote

Everybody dies, but should they die because they cannot get or do not have health insurance.
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blue-vintage
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:34 AM
maureen: What program? Health care? It needs to be irreversable to make sure any opposing politicians don't try to 'mess' with it in the future and you should probably chill out. Also adding some factual data\specifics in your post would help
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silverunicorn2011
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:44 AM
There seems to be some people who don't care about who is going to pay for all of this "universal" free health care. If you have children or grandchilldren you might want to start thinking about them.

The wording or lack of wording in the bill will leave the 15-30 million illegals the advandage of getting health care. That alone will leave the door open to Canada or better yet any person who needs medical attention, free health care in the US. Nydia Velazquez D- NY wants the illegals to be able to get this health care.

When you add in the illegals, the unemployed, low income, those who fly under the radar tell me who is going to pay for universal health care? The top 1% of the rich? The middle income workers? It's going to come down to your children and grandchildren being taxed so high that it won't be worth their time to work.
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blue-vintage
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 9:55 AM
silver: I think this is another case of blowing things way out of proportion & over re-acting. You should be way more concerned about your kids\grandkids Not having healthcare. We are paying now for all the millions who are not insured and use hospital ER 's millions of times a day. We need the program
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silverunicorn2011
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 10:17 AM
blue, I disagree. When you add in that many people to a program there are going to be problems. When you take those same people and give them free health care but then you set laws that will impose a 15,000. fine and jail time for Americans who don't pay for health care, the program is a failure before ever starting. Hopefully the fine and jail time will be removed but it was also stated that they need the fines to pay for the free health care.

I feel sorry for the kids and grandkids who are going to have to pay for this. They don't even have a clue that "us adults" are putting them so far in debt that they will never get out. When and if Congress passes Cap & Trade that should just about totally destroy the up and coming Americans.
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rich_ismyname
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 10:29 AM
" It needs to be irreversable to make sure any opposing politicians don't try to 'mess' with it in the future"

That's impossible. All laws are readily ammendable by Congress and the sitting President. They do so continuously. If I asked you for estate planning advice, would you base it on this year's law, the pending legislated change for next year, or the pending legislated change for 2011? I ask because estates over $3.5M are taxable at 45% this year, none are taxable next year, and estates over $1M will be taxed at 50% in 2011. All of the Bush income tax cuts are going to expire as well.


The problem with problem solving is that you must first admit what the problem is.
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mountolimpus
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 10:53 AM
Anyone who thinks healthcare will somehow be better or cheaper if the gov't gets involved is out of their flippin' minds.

They say they are going to take the fraud and waste out of Medicare. If it was so easy how come it hasn't been done yet?
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rich_ismyname
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 11:12 AM
" If it was so easy how come it hasn't been done yet?"

Because the Republicans keep supporting waste, fraud, and corporate welfare in the mind numbing belief that people guided solely by the pursuit of profit and unencumbered by government regulation can run the country better than the majority can.


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mountolimpus
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Re: Wake Up America!

Nov 7, 2009 11:14 AM
So your view is gov't can do it better than the private sector?
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