From collectibles to cars, buy and sell all kinds of items on eBay
aAdvanced Search
Last Post Nov 18, 2009 5:54 PM by: luv2trezurhunt
Replies: 31
)
namemanor
Posts: 77

1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 10:56 AM
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone here be able to take a look at this powderhorn and let me know what you think. The powderhorn reads "Chales Goodnight / 1859 / Texas".

It's funny though because the name on it is mispelled without the "r" in Charles. I inherited this a couple years ago from my dad, he was a big collector of many different types of historical memorabilia and militaria. After I researched Charles Goodnight and found out who he was, I thought it might be fake because his name is misspelled but then I read on wikipedia that he never learned to read or write, so then I thought maybe it is his.

I would appreciate it if you could take a look at the photos on my photobucket page and let me know what you think.

Link

I live in Central Missouri, does anyone know anybody around here that I could have look at this powderhorn?

Thanks so much for you help,
Richard


Photobucket


Photobucket


Photobucket


Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
afantiques
Posts: 5,562
(1 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 11:03 AM
Would that be the Goodnight of the Goodnight Trail. Looks like a very good name to fake. Not that I have any idea if it is or not. It's just hard to forget the Goodnight and Loving trails once you've heard of them.

af
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
namemanor
Posts: 77
(2 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 11:08 AM
I have no clue, but from what I've researched I think it is that Charles.

I thought it was a repro or something too, just because of who it is, but then I also though, why would somebody misspell a name on a repro.. LOL I have no clue. I really have no experience at all with old powderhorns. Maybe I should take it to a local musemu to look at.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
texaspiehole
Posts: 57
(3 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 11:39 AM
1859 would be a good year, chronologically, to be his. And Texas was a state by then. Were people still using powder horns? I guess probably po' folk and pioneers were, at the least. I certainly can't say yes or no on it's authenticity, but I'm from Amarillo and I can tell you that if it was his, more than a few people would like to have it. Try emailing museums in the Texas panhandle. I remember that the Canyon museum in Canyon, TX had a big biographic display that I visited as a kid. So that's my suggestion: email Texas museums. I hope it's real. -Steve
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
antiquarianmadness
Posts: 7,884
(4 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 11:52 AM
The powderhorn looks right to me (19th century) as does the engraving. However, you'll need an expert to see it in person to determine authenticity.

The Panhandle Plains Museum helped me out once with a painting. I think it's in their museum by now. Here is Goodnight's rifle...they will know about your horn.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
antiquarianmadness
Posts: 7,884
(5 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 11:56 AM
Link to the firearms collection.
Link

If yours is real, you have quite a treasure there!
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
salvatorparadise
Posts: 3,831
(6 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 1:29 PM
this horn gives me a vibe that sez faked
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
namemanor
Posts: 77
(7 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM
Link to the firearms collection.
Link


Thanks man, I sent them an email and pictures. I'm not really hoping for too much but that would be pretty awsome if it is authentic.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
springfld.arsenal
Posts: 12,286
(8 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:02 PM
I don't like it either, for many reasons. Tomorrow I'll be seeing some folks who are very knowledgeable about powder horns, and if I can remember to take the 'puter along I can show them the pix. No printer where I am now. If I get time I'll take pix of the horns they have on display so y'all can see some real antique ones. One of the folks has about 25 of them in a display, I'll see if he'll let me take a picture.

Come to think of it, I'm almost positive we've had another Charles Goodnight horn on this very board, but it was about 3 years ago and the archives don't go back that far. That one was a fake, I do remember that much about it.

*************** What follows is sig line*************
I collect fine cannon models (patent, arsenal, salesman, maker's, presentation), mug-type brass/copper gunpowder measures, artillery sights/quadrants/shot gauges, cannon firing flintlocks, percussion locks, early artillery books, manuscripts, artillery projectiles, original cannon barrels, etc.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
springfld.arsenal
Posts: 12,286
(9 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:12 PM
Who knows where this guy got his info, but anyway he says the Rangers used translucent white powder horns. Are there any toothmarks on the plug?

"To facilitate speedy loading, the rangers adapted a shot pouch that swung from the left shoulder to the waistline, convenient to the right hand. Inside were buckskin scraps for bullet-patches, bullets, and a box of caps, and swinging by buckskin strings below was the powder-horn-a white horn dressed so thin that the ranger, by holding it up to the sun, could see if his powder was running low. The peg, or stopper, was usually of bois d'arc or hickory, for stoppers of soft wood might swell in rainy weather and disarm an entire command."

Link

*************** What follows is sig line*************
I collect fine cannon models (patent, arsenal, salesman, maker's, presentation), mug-type brass/copper gunpowder measures, artillery sights/quadrants/shot gauges, cannon firing flintlocks, percussion locks, early artillery books, manuscripts, artillery projectiles, original cannon barrels, etc.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
namemanor
Posts: 77
(10 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:33 PM


Come to think of it, I'm almost positive we've had another Charles Goodnight horn on this very board, but it was about 3 years ago and the archives don't go back that far. That one was a fake, I do remember that much about it.



I posted it here when I first got it about 2 years ago but never got any real answers about it. I never though to mail the museums, so we will see what they say. :) "fingers crossed" lol
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
antiquarianmadness
Posts: 7,884
(11 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:45 PM
Dealing in Am Ind items for many years, you see a lot of original American powder horns that come in collections. No doubt that this is an original 19th c horn, There were alot of horns that were never engraved until... Anyway, it's just the engraving that needs to be looked at closer. On something like this where there is potential for a big payoff, I would not condemn the engraving based on these pictures. Even if there are known fakes, that does not necessarily accurately reflect upon this one. If it was mine, I would do exactly what the OP is doing. Can't wait for the response.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
antiquarianmadness
Posts: 7,884
(12 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:50 PM
So, it was declared a fake here on this board and not by an expert in a museum? Maybe there is an expert here that chimed in on it but always best to get that second opinion by an expert with the item in their hands.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
antiquarianmadness
Posts: 7,884
(13 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 5:54 PM
Also, due to the historic nature of it, it could have been done in the 19th c honoring Goodnight, much the same as we see 19th cent Washington or Lincoln imagery/names carved into Folk Art pieces, at which point it would stand on it's own as American Folk Art. Gotta find out if it's old (the carving) or not.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
)
springfld.arsenal
Posts: 12,286
(14 of 31)

Re: 1859 Powderhorn : Texas : Charles Goodnight : help

Nov 6, 2009 6:37 PM
>I posted it here when I first got it about 2 years ago but

Thanks-I'm not just imagining it then!

Anyway, will see if the experts will take a look tomorrow and I'll report back.

*************** What follows is sig line*************
I collect fine cannon models (patent, arsenal, salesman, maker's, presentation), mug-type brass/copper gunpowder measures, artillery sights/quadrants/shot gauges, cannon firing flintlocks, percussion locks, early artillery books, manuscripts, artillery projectiles, original cannon barrels, etc.
Reply
Name:
Email:
 
Tip: To create a link - type the desired text, highlight it with your mouse and click[Click for url tag]
Tags:
 
Page: of 3

New to eBay Boards? Try a visit to our Community Discussion Boards Help and Welcome Center .

Want to visit another board? You can view our Community Overview Page or select from these lists:

Community Help Boards:

eBay Tools Boards:

Category-Specific Boards:

General Discussion Boards:


Feedback Forum | Discussion Boards | Groups | Answer Center | Chat Rooms | Community Values

About eBay | Announcements | Security Center | Resolution Center | eBay Toolbar | Policies | Government Relations | Site Map | Help
Copyright © 1995-2009 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the eBay User Agreement and Privacy Policy.
eBay official time
hosted by LiveWorld