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Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation

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Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Mar 15, 2011 06:12 AM
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by abbys135 (1116 ) View Listings
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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Mar 22, 2012 07:51 PM

I just found out that they charged me a shipping fee on my recently sold item. WTF ebay? They nickel and dime us on everything and now they want shipping fees? How about ebay comes to my house, picks up the item I sold, sends the item to the buyer personally - and then they can have their shipping fee. Otherwise, get your greedy hands out of my pockets. Looks like I won't be selling on here as much unless I'm in a desperate need for some extra cash. Good going ebay. You just effed yourselves...and me.

 

I guess their making up for those 50 auctions we get to list "free" every month. Nicely played.

when you sell an item for .99 and charge 10 dollars for shipping and handling one should be charged a fee, something like the second bag fee in the airline industry.


HINC HVMILIBVS VENIA HINC RETRIBVTO SVPERBIS MISERICORDIAS DOMINI IN AETERNVM CANTABO AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Mar 26, 2012 03:13 PM

Wow. I hadn't sold anything in about a year and was in for a surprise when I sold a few books this month. They will be the last things I sell on Ebay. It's no longer worth it to be a low volume seller. The best part of selling a book is that I found I was no longer able to charge more than $3 shipping, even if I send the item priority mail. "Buyers don't feel comfortable paying more than $3 shipping for books," apparently. That has not been my experience. If someone wants priority mail, I should be able to send the item priority mail and charge for it without playing a game and incorporating that into the item cost.

 

 

OK let's see, about $6 priority mail for the shipping so I'm already out $3 profit. Then Ebay takes 40 cents for the "shipping cost" so I lose 3.40 out of my profit just from the shipping, not to mention the other fees and then the paypal fee. WTF Ebay I am so done with you (and I know you don't care, but still). Big 2-fingered salute right back at ya, Ebay!

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Mar 26, 2012 03:26 PM

From my perspective sellers shoot themselves in the foot,look what happened to the art stuff from a robust market to piles and piles and more piles of nothing but junk art, thousands upon thousands. If one has a good product it will sell, what is a good product? something that people need and  want and that it is tangible. Two out of three of these things will also sell if you only got one then your in for a shock.

 

Back to the fee thingy, it doesn't make much sense to me to charge .99 cents for the item and 20 dollars for shipping when you know shipping cost only three, the is no legitimate reason for ebay not to tap into this sort of practice and get their fair share from this type of seller. Ebay is a service and no one is forced to list, with any luck it will get rid of a lot of junk and make browsing for real products much easier.

 

 


HINC HVMILIBVS VENIA HINC RETRIBVTO SVPERBIS MISERICORDIAS DOMINI IN AETERNVM CANTABO AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Apr 2, 2012 08:08 AM

A year after the announcement, I've looked back and found that an average of 15% goes to eBay/Paypal including the basic store fees, and all the others.

 

QUESTION: Does anyone know how to export->import from ebay to Amaz0n store listings?

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Apr 21, 2012 09:02 AM

WOW PayPal is grimey!! not even amazon touches the shipping fee.  Can they legally take money from the shipping pool?  I mean it's a non-profit area; I feel like they're stealing money from me, and from the post office.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Apr 23, 2012 09:00 AM

From the New York Times April 19th business section.  Be forewarned, it's a fairly long article and I only highlighted two sentences that I think are critical to us, but it's worth reading the whole thing.


Ebay has become a juggernaut and we are such small pieces in the machinery, we won't be missed.  Reading the handwriting on this wall, I'd say our complaints are no more than mosquitos against an elephant. 

 

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"Ebay, the web site where people once auctioned off the detritus of attics and garages, is quietly positioning itself to become a force in mobile retailing, as evidenced by a sustained turnaround of its Internet marketplace and the soaring popularity of the PayPal online payment system.

 

Ebay reported Wednesday that net income in the first quarter rose 20% to $570 million, or 44 cents a share, from the same quarter a year earlier.

 

The company said revenue climbed 29% to $3.3 billion.

 

The company's CEO, John J. Donahoe, who has been trying to effect a turnaround in the company for several years, described the numbers as a 'strong start of the year' and hinted at the need to do more with mobile devices to compete with rivals like Amazon and Google. (I bolded that sentence)

 

'We are enabling commerce in this new retail environment, supporting and partnering with sellers of all sizes and giving consumers worldwide the ability to shop any time, anywhere for whatever they want' he said in a company statement.

 

Ebay has sought to transform itself from an online auction site to a ubiquitous retailer that can compete with the likes of Amazon.

 

Wall Street cheered the visible evidence of the turnaround.  The company's shares were flat on Wed. during regular trading and closed at about $35.86.  Results were announced after the market closed and the stock rose as much as 7.5% in after-hours trading.

 

Net income was 55 cents a share, no including special items, above the expectations of Wall Street analysts of 51 cents a share and revenue of $3.1 billion, according to a survey of analysts cited by Inside Futures.

 

The earnings report also highlighted the continuing importance of PayPal to overall profits.  THe company said PayPal had 109.8 million active registered accounts, 12 % more than the first quarter a year ago.  PayPal revenues increased 32%.

 

Colin Gillis, an analyst at BGC Partners, said that PayPal is the fastest growing part of the business, accounting for 32% growth year over year.  The company also said that half of PayPal's revenue came from overseas for the first time.

 

In a bid to move into offline retail, PayPal has quietly installed a ssytem in 2000 Home Depot stores nationwide where customers can pay by either swiping their PayPal cards or simply typing in their mobile numbers, along with a PIN.  PayPal is expected to introduce a similar service in other stores later this year.

 

The good news for investors, Mr. Gillis added, is that the once-lagging online marketplace, where things are bought and sold, is also posting double digit growth - 11% year over year.

 

'PayPal is the growth driver of this company,' he said, 'PayPal continues to be a star.  Marketplaces is showing clear signs of turning around.  Business is growing. And they're positioned for the future.'

 

PayPal, which posted an estimated $31 billion in total transactions in 2011, accounted for nearly a third of the company's annual revenue, according to BGC Partners.

 

Most recently, PayPal has sought to appeal to small businesses with a credit card processing device called PayPal Here.  It plugs into a business owners smartphone, allows customers to use their credit cards or PayPal accounts, and competes directly with the original smartphone credit card processor called Square.

 

EBay's future depends in large part on how well it enables consumers to buy and sell on their mobile devices, some analysts say.  On this score, said Mr. Gillis, eBay has become the 'quiet leader', enabling $15 billion in mobile transactions last year, split roughly between the sale of goods on its internet marketplace and PayPal transactions."  by Somini Sengupta.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 5, 2012 07:44 AM
I just sold all my common stock in eBay last year, and with this death spiral business news, I'm thrilled that I did.

It's not the free shipping and low prices on sites like Amazon that will drive buyers (who are the ones truly paying the fees) from eBay, it's the dedicated forums for everything from hammock to ukuleles that have free Marketplaces for buying and selling that will skin EBay once and for all.
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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 5, 2012 10:07 AM

I have read some of the sellers foot notes and perhaps it was a typo but it looks like any transaction were the selling price is $400 or higher will be required to ship with UPS or Fedex....does any one know for sure ?

 

I know that there was a message sent via ebay about items that sell for 250 or more and how ebay will handle complaints as it relates to case resolution....


HINC HVMILIBVS VENIA HINC RETRIBVTO SVPERBIS MISERICORDIAS DOMINI IN AETERNVM CANTABO AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 6, 2012 05:24 AM

This may sound like a pipe dream, but there has got to be a way where "we" sellers of vintage and antique items can get together and form our own site to sell our special, unique items hassle free.

 

If we can get 50-100, serious sellers to all pool some money together, get a few gifted web designers and talented computer people dedicated to doing something, I think we could give ebay a run for their money.

 

I have been recently listing on other sites and not getting very far because the traffic over there is not very good and they don't specialize in vintage items and antiques. I did sell one high ticket item on (B)Etsey, but that was it. Sales on other venues have been dissapointing. Not to mention, I don't want to suscept myself to meeting nefarious people on Craigslist.

 

I am absolutely sick and tired of being treated badly here. I am a dedicated seller of antiques who has 100% feedback, high DSR's and happy (many repeat) customers. However, selling here is getting to be too stressful. Whenever, I list something to sell, I feel like I need to pop a Xanax waiting for the other shoe to drop, lol.

 

Selling should be fun, not anxiety provoking. Ebay used to be a very pleasant place to sell my wares, but with all the new rules and changes, the quality of my buyers are changing. It is bringing out a lot of scammers, non-payers and bottom feeders.

 

Everytime I look, the rules keep changing and sellers keep getting the shaft. It is very disheartening not being allowed to be in control over "my" items, payment methods, how to process returns and the never ending fees.

 

I am not Walmart and will never be a big box store and think that is now what ebay is looking to make this site into. They will never be "Amazon". This CEO is having delusions of grandeur. Ebay was started as the world's biggest fleamarket, where you could get rare, unique items not easily found elsewhere. Now, the amount of unusual, antique items are drying up on this site. I can no longer find what I used to.

 

I am not only a seller, but a buyer. Ebay, needs to realize that most sellers are buyers too. If they treat their sellers like pariahs, we will leave in droves. That will hurt them in the pocketbook in the long run, because sellers are buyers too.

 

I heard that in the near future they will be (and have started) holding the funds of some sellers for an unspecified time too. What happens when the sellers that get their funds held, want to buy things, but their funds are frozen? Duh, Ebay, you are certainly shooting yourself in the foot.

 

Would anyone be interested in forming something? I think we could definitely do something to bring ebay to it's knees.

 

~Dee

 

 

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 14, 2012 12:35 PM

Another distraught eBay user here... It is total BS when eBay charges a fee for shipping when using their own shipping calculator tool. Since handling costs aren't built into the tool, and I don't charge them anyway, if an item costs $20 to ship and I charge $20, I actually lose money (9%) to feeBay. I can understand if a seller charges an exorbitant amount to ship something, but I used their damn tool and I'm losing money on each and every sale.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 28, 2012 10:06 AM

How can Ebay do this ? Shipping is not the sale the shipping is just that shipping . But EBAY thinks its an open door to take more money. Useing some bogus shipping final value fee. So now I'm short on Shipping funds.  If you poor bastards need more money just raise the final fee don't add a second tax or fee . Not good business in by book  Mom must be proud of you now. One unhappy seller

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 28, 2012 05:18 PM

180888564299 May-27-12 19:25:03 PDTFinal Value Fee on ShippingUS $1.10

180888564299 May-27-12 17:51:30 PDTFinal Value fee US $0.90

Final price: $10.50 (Auction)

 

Looks like 20% FVF to me

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 28, 2012 10:16 PM

hi:) when you do this please let me know I know a few sellers that would follow.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 29, 2012 07:15 AM

They persuaded sellers to offer "free shipping" for years. This is not a free cost to a seller and so the seller had to pad the selling point for the item. And so ebay was profiting off these poor suckers all along. Then it occured to them - " we aren't profiting off the sellers that are being honest and charge what it costs to ship. Time to hit them up and so now these sellers are forced to raise the selling price to cover the added cut they take on FV.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 29, 2012 07:49 AM

Not sure why this is being talked about over a year since this thread was started. People were avoiding fees by padding shipping and pi$$ing off a bunch of customers in the process. The bottom line is that customers love free or cheap shipping. Those that failed to realize this were cutting off their nose to spite themselves. The ethics of this move have been debated ad nauseam but it was a measure put in place to improve the site. 

 

A lot of the things that ebay has done over the years has been to put the reins on unethical and/or shoddy sellers. Customers were leaving in droves and they have attempted to stop the bleeding. Most of it has been too little too late. The place is a shell of what it used to be. I do think it is better than even a few years ago so something must be working. We may not like the rules ebay has implemented but it is their playground and we need to abide by them if we are going to sell here.

 

Other venues have attempted to compete and failed. Anyone remember Yahoo auctions?  They probably had the best chance and were in on the game early. Others have built a niche market for themselves. An antiques and collectibles only site might work if a lot of the same disliked safeguards ebay has implemented are put in place. Otherwise, it will go down in flames just as ebay almost did.



Me in another life.......

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 29, 2012 08:05 AM

"Not sure why this is being talked about over a year since this thread was started."

 

Because it is still WRONG

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
May 29, 2012 10:57 AM

Not sure why this is being talked about over a year since this thread was started. People were avoiding fees by padding shipping and pi$$ing off a bunch of customers in the process. The bottom line is that customers love free or cheap shipping. Those that failed to realize this were cutting off their nose to spite themselves. The ethics of this move have been debated ad nauseam but it was a measure put in place to improve the site. 

 

A lot of the things that ebay has done over the years has been to put the reins on unethical and/or shoddy sellers. Customers were leaving in droves and they have attempted to stop the bleeding. Most of it has been too little too late. The place is a shell of what it used to be. I do think it is better than even a few years ago so something must be working. We may not like the rules ebay has implemented but it is their playground and we need to abide by them if we are going to sell here.

 

Other venues have attempted to compete and failed. Anyone remember Yahoo auctions?  They probably had the best chance and were in on the game early. Others have built a niche market for themselves. An antiques and collectibles only site might work if a lot of the same disliked safeguards ebay has implemented are put in place. Otherwise, it will go down in flames just as ebay almost did.

There is always going to be that 10% which will buck the system, they won't learn until they figure out their sales will no longer support their enterprise.


HINC HVMILIBVS VENIA HINC RETRIBVTO SVPERBIS MISERICORDIAS DOMINI IN AETERNVM CANTABO AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 5, 2012 10:33 AM

Yahoo auctions here I come.. Between all the fees with ebay and Paypal it's taking about 17%. This is the straw.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 5, 2012 11:31 AM

WTF is right!!!! I've been selling here for 14 years and have watched they total fees go from about 5% to about 17% and they have not provided anything at all to the seller for the difference. I understand that this is to encourage sellers to charge more precise shipping rates and not to make extra cash from the difference, but this could back fire since it now encourages the seller to up the shipping to make up  for the money that they are lossing to ebay. If an item sells for 10 cents and the shipping is $10 then yes ebay is in the right to charge the fee on the shipping. But for those of us who use a shipping calculator and charge the actual amount it costs us, we are just getting screwed in the deal. Not to mention, boxes and bubble wrap aren't free either. Ebay has to come up with a solution or sellers are going to start dropping like flies. I myself am already trying a few auctions on other sites and if they go well, I am through with ebay.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 5, 2012 01:48 PM

Ebay doesn't care about the small sellers that are paying all the extras so meg whitman can have her 7 digit salary...ebay has dumped millions into china to get china on ebay...those are the only sellers they care about.  Some of us live on what we make on ebay and other sites.  They only care if they survive.

 

They are making it harder and harder for sellers to survive, to profit, or to even break even.  Look overall at products on ebay, they are higher priced than buying locally......Are they ever going

to learn, or does the last nail in the coffin the only way they will

see it?

 

 

Welcome to corporate america

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 5, 2012 01:53 PM

Verybrad:  Yes, sellers were pi%%ing off customers hiding from fees in the shipping....china at the forefront....

 

This idea of fixing the problem is moot.  They lock down maximum shipping on video tapes and dvds so you HAVE to ship them media rate. (I prefer priority across the board)

 

Maybe they should look at Amazon's business model...They don't have this problem, and they don't screw their sellers

 

 

webstore.com and yahoo auctions here I come

 

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 5, 2012 02:33 PM

Meg is no longer the CEO

 

Her replacement's compensation is eight digits

 

yahoo auctions went away years ago

 

Disco is no longer popular

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 17, 2012 08:39 PM

is this legal? how can they charge us a fee for shipping, when they don't ship anything? Amazon charges a fee, but they are actually shipping something to you.

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Re: Ebay to include shipping in final value fee calculation
Jun 21, 2012 02:55 PM

I agree.  Is it legal to charge for a service unrendered?

I suppose we somehow agreed to it, but agreeing to sell drugs doesn't make that legal.

 

I sell occasionally and almost returned $1.95 to a seller for a large item shipped. Then I see eBay charged me $1.53 just for the shipping!  No wondwer shipping seems to have gone up so drasticly in the last year. it looks like even honest sellers are just trying to cover their costs.

 

This sucks.

 

 

 

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