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barronsilver
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Repair Shop

Sep 14, 2002 9:28 AM
Repair Shop
In response to Daphne's request for new sidebar topics, I propose that we start a Repair Shop thread. I restore silver, brass and other metals for a living. I have a friend who cleans and repairs oil paintings. Ten years ago we started a club for people who restore fine objects and within a year we'd met quite a few (27) very interesting people - many of whom lived too far from Orlando to come meet with us, and all of whom were too busy to run a growing club. We don't meet anymore. Some of the old guys (and gals) have gone to their reward, while others have just wandered off, but now that we have the internet it's time to put a new gang together.
Ebay is offering to give us a place to meet - a club house open to the whole world. I propose that we solicit new members to be proprietors of the Repair Shop on eBay. It shouldn't be hard. People in the business tend to know other people with related skills. If we start it going, it will snowball and certainly grow beyond the Antiques Community. We can organize ourselves as we go along.
I call upon the citizens of ebay to refer their favorite repairmen to us, and I invite everyone to use this new service for help and advice.
Come on in, the Repair Shop is open.
David G. Barron
Barron's Silver Clinic, Inc.
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 15, 2002 7:51 PM
Hi barronsilver... I'm going to pin this to the top. Thanks so much for offering to host this thread!

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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 16, 2002 7:44 AM
You're so welcome, Daphne.
This morning I went next door and watched my neighbor, Randy Ivy, preparing a very old picture frame for regilding. Randy does water gilding and oil gilding as well. Water gilding is really expensive for some reason. Randy could explain it to you. I asked him if he'd like to join this discussion group and he said he'd be happy to answer questions and give advice. He might get questions from the art discussion board, Daphne. What to do.
Another one who will certainly get questions from the art community is Gary Hollingsworth, our art conservator and co-founder of the old Restoration Guild. Gary cleans and repairs oil paintings. Where he works, he's surrounded by beautiful old landscapes and such. When he gets back from Yellowstone Nat. Park later this week, we'll ask him art can really imitate nature after all.
David
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 17, 2002 2:01 PM
Gary and Sarah are still wandering around out in Wyoming, and so while he's out of town I'll take this opportunity to talk about my friend. I first met Gary when he shepherded his class of junior college students through my shop in the summer of '84. They were studying restoration and he chose an old broken gramophone as a class project. They were bringing me the brass megaphone and all the bright work on the outside of the cabinet for refinishing.
I learned something from listening to him while I worked. He was talking about the ethics of conservation, about how the pieces we work on really belong to the next generations and how we shouldn't do anything to them that's not reversable. It made me start thinking about my work in a new way. I started talking my customers out of having their old Sheffield plate candlesticks resilvered, and I stopped polishing and lacquering those antique Japanese vases brought back from the war. Since then I've made it my business to learn how to make pieces look good without disturbing them any more than is absolutely necessary. I've become a conservationist.
Gary has restored player pianos, a pin ball machine, music boxes and assorted antique what-nots. He can repair paper (he didn't want me to tell you that) and clean prints (or that), and he could take that old Hank Aaron baseball card that you folded in half and carried in your back pocket in school and make it worth a lot of money these days, but he won't - because of those ethics. But if your prize French impressionist picture has just been recovered by the police from the back of a motorcycle chop shop, he can fix it. Even if it was on the floor. He's done it for many years. Gary's a genius, and I just thought I'd tell you in case he doesn't.
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 18, 2002 4:08 PM
I was wondering if you could tell me how to get cracked varnish off an oil painting? I picked up a cheap oil painting from a yard sale a while back, but the varnish is cracked and spotted. It's not valuable enough to spend the money taking it to a professional restorer. I oil paint myself, and thought this might be a good piece to learn on, as I've always had an interest in restoration.
Another thing I've always wondered about, what to you use to clean an oil painting when age has darkened it? Thanks
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 18, 2002 5:47 PM
I recently won an auction for a beautiful silver plated cruet set with glass cruets. Now I hope to find someone in the U.S. (I'm near Detroit) who can direct me to a reputable business that can re-silver the stand and cruets. Thanks to anyone who can provide me with information!
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 19, 2002 6:34 AM
Clocks, Cars, Vision
In the timekeeper's chair we have Helen Cipilloni, clockmaker. Helen was taught how to make gears and springs by her dad, a craftsman from the old world. She keeps a shop in Leesburg, Florida (As Time Goes By, Inc.), and like all the best craftsmen, she was quick to point out to me that she knows someone better. The better we get, the clearer it becomes that we're not the best. It's why we try harder.
In my town, if you wreck your Mercedes and the insurance company tries to give it back to you with one taillight higher than the other, you take it to Scott Tomarazzo Auto Body to have it done right. There's usually an antique or classic car being restored there. Scott knows the tricks and he's willing to offer his advice.
I've been forming a vision of what this Repair Shop could look like in the future. You'll notice that everyone I've introduced so far is in Central Florida. These are people I know personally and who's work I recommend. In order to be useful to the ebay community, however, we must meet and be able to recommend competent craftsmen from around the country. There's only so much you can do for a person with written advice. Recommending chemicals for cleaning, for instance, can be a tricky business. A professional has made all the major mistakes at least once already. You can make your own, or you can pay him to not make them for you; but a little knowledge, as they say, is a dangerous thing.
I envision a Repair Shop where questions about any object sold on ebay can be quickly referred to an expert somewhere who will answer you the best they can, and then be able to recommend someone in your area for professional help if necessary. Those of us in the trades can usually tell if someone else knows what theyre doing. Probably the best sevice we can offer the citizens of eBay is to make sure that we're recommending the best people available. Meanwhile, if you know someone who's really good at what they do, put us in touch so we can grow.
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 21, 2002 3:03 PM
Great thread to help people out.
I see that eBay is promoting it.
Is this a new place to offer services?
I know a lot of restorers in several areas of expertise that would like to “advertise” or “offer a service” on this board, but they all know that it would be against the thread rules.
Ebay can you clarify whether or not people are to be allowed to solicit or offer a service like in post 6.
Does this thread hold some type of indemnification to those who post services here?
Thanks
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barronsilver
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 23, 2002 5:19 AM
Dollarauction,
You make a good point. I'll admit to feeling unsure about posting #6. I've written to Daphne for a ruling on the matter. You what they say about newbies: "You can't break the rules 'til you know how to play the game".
Whom do you know in the business? What do they do?
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 23, 2002 9:32 AM
hi folks!

Advertising products or services on the boards isn't allowed, so I went ahead and pulled the post. Thanks for your understanding, barronsilver.:)

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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 23, 2002 1:24 PM
Well, now that we got that out of the way. Is my question (#4) going to be answered? I hope so, because I'd really like to know.
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 24, 2002 4:31 AM
Mea Culpa, Daphne. Sorry about that. I'm a Libertarian, but not a scoff-law.
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 25, 2002 6:27 AM
In response to the question concerning the removal of varnish from a painting, restorers generally make the distinction between cleaning and de-varnishing a painting. Cleaning involves the removal of surface dirt, grime, soot, and tobacco residue. Cleaning a painting with household cleaners presents the real risk of resultant structural damage due to the wetting and drying of the various layers of the painting--greatly speeding up its deterioration. De-varnishing is the removal of the layer or layers of originally clear coatings by means of solvents, enzymes, abrasion or the use of a laser. The methods, materials and techniques employed can be decided on only after analysis and experimentation to determine what type of varnish is present (resin, mastic, oil, synthetic, etc.)There is no magic bullet for de-varnishing all paintings. It is very easy to do irreversible damage to a painting by overcleaning.This cannot be recommended for anyone without proper training and experience. So, what can you do with your painting? Re-varnishing a painting can often have a dramatic effect on the way it looks and this is within the scope of most non-professionals. I recommend a synthetic, non-yellowing varnish made especially for paintings. One is Grumbacher Oil Painting and Picture Varnish (gloss or matte) in a spray can. Only varnishes especially designed for paintings will do. They are designed to be easily removable. Remember the Restoration Prime Directive,"Do only things that are reversible."
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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 25, 2002 4:15 PM
no problem at all, barronsilver! We've all "been there and done that" as we learned the ropes. :)

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Re: Repair Shop

Sep 26, 2002 4:38 PM
Hi ifixart,
Thanks for responding to my questions. I tried spraying artist varnish over the painting with cracked varnish and the cracks can still be seen, but they're shinier. Also, if you don't recommend household cleaner on oil paintings to clean, what do you recommend?
Thanks again for your input.
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