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zia_designs
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Reselling (on eBay) art purchased on eBay

Feb 19, 2003 11:18 AM
I have seen so many wonderful paintings listed on eBay go unsold, most without even one bid. Others are sold for so much less than their true value. Having sold a few paintings myself, and listed many more that didn't sell, I can identify with the other artists. I know how satisfying it is to get a bid or two, even if the auction ends without a sale.

I was wondering about the etiquette of buying and reselling other artists' works. What if I bought a painting on eBay for $10 and then relisted it on eBay and sold it for $50? How would other artists feel about seeing their own paintings appear in someone else's listing, with someone else's description? And sell for 5 times more than they received?

As an artist, I would not mind seeing my art resold. I would be happy to see that someone else had bought it. I would also be interested in how the reseller had photographed it, described it and marketed it. And I would not expect to get any percentage of the reseller's profit.

But as a reseller, I would probably wish to give back to the artist some part of my profit, because the last thing I would want to do is exploit some poor starving artist. The European Union has some kind of droit de suite that requires each reseller of a work of art to give back to the artist a percentage of all subsequent sales of that work. I'd never want to see this kind of law in the US, but I would think that a voluntary system along these lines would be desirable.

Does anyone have any ideas or opinions about this? Or is this even allowed by eBay's rules?

If this has already been discussed in a previous thread, forgive me.

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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 12:00 PM
Once you own a painting it is yours!!! you may not be able to reproduce the art, but you can sell it for whatever you want, I do all the time!! If you can sell it for more than you bought, more power to you. Dont think of the painter, he or she is now long out of the picture, the art is yours to do whatever you want. If they happen to see the painting being re:sold OH well! Not your problem. Good luck and happy sales.
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chrisshauna
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Feb 19, 2003 12:02 PM
If you purchase an original painting, you have every right to resell it. However, it may not be looked well upon if that was your motive from the beginning. You then are sort of becoming a dealer and are buying to resell and make yourself a profit. Basically, if it went only so high the first time, then why would it go way higher a second time? Many factors would be the basis for this: not the right person saw it when the artist listed it, it ended at an awkward time, eBay was slow that week, the quality of the work may not be really high enough to spend alot on it, the bidders who saw it love it but could not afford to spend that month, etc. etc.
I would contact the artist before reselling it in the same venue, just for my own personal set of etiquette related feelings. It just seems kind of rude and may cause some feeligns of mistrust.
I sold a large painting 3 yrs ago and the buyer decided a yr down the road that they should not have spent that much money and needed cash. She contacted me to ask if I would mind if she resold it on eBay. I told her that she could go ahead, thanks for letting me know. I don't know what happened.
I have a regular buyer that I felt originally may be reselling my work in an Overseas Gallery. I don't have a problem with that as I am receiving more than enough for it myself. Basically it's like dealing with a gallery anyway.
However, I would be quite upset and would go after damages if I did discover someone was reproducing my originals for a commercial purpose. This is not legal unless I sell the rights to the original as well as the original. Policing such things is very hard for an individual artist.
My opinion is, no, I would not do this. I would approach the artist directly if I felt I could market and get better prices for their work in a certain venue.
Your choice. Just be careful doing things liek that without finding out the person's opinions on you reselling their work right where you bought it. But, reselling it because you no longer want to hang it is different. I'd really contact them first even in that case.
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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 12:08 PM
You may be able to copy the painting if the artist has not given notice of rights reserved. Just signing a painting etc, or what-ever will not hold up in a court of law. (look at it this way): you bought a painting does not go with your style, can you put it in the garbage, garage sale, sell it over the net? sure you can if you own it. No you dont have to tell the seller and if they could of sold it for more, their loss.
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chrisshauna
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Feb 19, 2003 12:18 PM
It is all a matter of treating others how you would want to be treated yourself. An original is not allowed to be reproduced and used for a commercial purpose. It does stand up in court, we were shown many examples at The Ont College of Art while I was there, personal little examples that diff instructors had experience with.
Basically, you can resell anything you buy. It is all personality that determines what and how people choose to conduct themselves. Do what feels right to you or what you would expect back. Just becasue an action is not illegal or wrong does not mean it may not reflect on that person in a negative light with others.
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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 12:22 PM
How can I stand up in court without the paper work? Same brush used, \DNA, paint dating, try proving you painted the picture without it being witnessed by a dealer or person with the same title.
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haroldsmithart
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Feb 19, 2003 12:24 PM
Hmmm, I may be in the minority here but I think art is like any other commodity sold on Ebay or elsewhere. Once I sell it to a person, they have the right to resell it at their discretion. Period. To feel that they should ask me first sounds to me like some kind of sick controlling behavior. They own the artwork (even it I retain the copyright to the original image) and it's theirs to do as they wish. For them to have to contact me and ask me? Huh? It's their property and their money and they don't need my approval or permission to decide how to handle it.
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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 12:27 PM
Also why would it be wrong is it not the views, money,and the fact that another person may be willing to pay more for it what an artist wants? I do, I rather see that than it end up in the garbage, the more, I get for a painting the more power to me, who cares who ownes it, I dont I sold the painting way back then. That means I have let go.
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Feb 19, 2003 12:29 PM
No Harold you got it.
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zia_designs
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Feb 19, 2003 1:21 PM
I guess I should have emphasized that I would NOT be selling reproductions of the art--just the original art itself. I understand that the artist always retains the copyright and all rights to reproduce it.

One of my reasons for wanting to resell other artists' works is that I would like to add a few other artists to my online "gallery." I already own a few paintings and drawings by other artists, some of which I bought just to help them out. But I've never been a collector--I can't even hold on to my own stuff and would rather give it away than keep it, because most of the time I end up painting over it or dismantling it for the stretchers. So I guess my motives are partly altruistic, and partly monetary. I also enjoy the selling and listing part of eBay auctions, almost as much as painting.

Regarding chrisshauna's remarks about checking with the artist first, I agree that would be a good thing to do, and in fact I would probably let the artist know even before I bid on the artwork, that I might be reselling it on eBay in the future. If he or she objected, I would not place the bid.
Thanks for all your replies. Very interesting.
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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 1:28 PM
Think of it this way, would you rather someone throw away a painting you sold them or sell it? Just to keep the wood? chances are you would sell it, and if someone is willing to spend 50.00 or more or whatever for it its not going in the garbage, why on earth contact the seller. His art is being taken care of by someone else willing to pay more? Or is it you just want to pump his ego?
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Reselling (on eBay) art purchased on eBay

Feb 19, 2003 1:33 PM
Artboutique said: You may be able to copy the painting if the artist has not given notice of rights reserved. Just signing a painting etc, or what-ever will not hold up in a court of law. (look at it this way): you bought a painting does not go with your style, can you put it in the garbage, garage sale, sell it over the net? sure you can if you own it. No you dont have to tell the seller and if they could of sold it for more, their loss.

YOU ARE SO WRONG. You obviously know nothing about CR law. Go do some reading. You cannot copy a painting and resell it on ebay or anywhere else for profit. Once a work is created, it is protected PERIOD. Of course, suing costs money, and some artist on ebay have taken others to court for what you say would not hold up in a court of law.

I also think, if you buy art for $10 and resell it as your ebay hobby, artists will start talking on boards and on ebay, and they will start blocking you. I know that would upset me, if an artist was buying my art for cheap and turing around and doing something that would make it sell more, unless the person asked me for permission. True, when you own it, legally you can wipe your butt with it, but it is not kind to the artist, especially if they are starving on ebay. If you want to resell kincaids, I think nobody would give a rats patootie.

LA
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artboutique0
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Feb 19, 2003 1:37 PM
Tell me how mr law expert? The date? give me a brake who came first the chicken or the egg?
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Feb 19, 2003 1:39 PM
Not that I like Kinkades work but, he is the so called best artist of the time in the US, that says alot about the rest of the US. Does it not?
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lamgal
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Feb 19, 2003 1:42 PM
I just wanted to let you know off the topic of your question to be careful about this statement: "most of the time I end up painting over it or dismantling it for the stretchers"

I'm not sure if you were talking about your own work or someone else's. If it is your's fire away but if it someone else's art you should know that the destruction of an artist's work may be a violation of the 1990 act: Visual Artist's Rights Act. It is hard to know for sure what is covered and the courts are all over the place about enactment, but any artist can try to bring a claim against someone who destroys their work under it. And sometimes the Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts are eager to use it in their work.

The works covered is vague: "VARA covers only limited, fine art categories of "works of visual art": paintings, sculptures, drawings, prints, still photographs produced for exhibition. Within this group, only single copies or signed and numbered limited editions of 200 or less are actually protected. ..."

But we were involved as expert witnesses in a case and I assure you - you don't want to be trying to explain to a judge that you didn't destroy someone else's artwork - who knows what the judge and jury will or will not deem as art and the lawyer and expert fees will not outweigh the savings on canvas regardless of the decision of the court. lol.

Court rulings are all over on the law, some deem that what was destroyed did not qualify as "art", but one decided that a mural painted by two college students could not be removed from their dorm under VARA. So go figure.

For more info on VARA you can visit: Link

On topic, as a seller you can sell whatever you want. I'm not sure how bidders who found out that they could have gotten the same thing at the same place will feel if/when they find out about it though, it doesn't take long for people to figure out that someone else has what you have at a discount.

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