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Ask Griff - January 2008

Jan 14, 2009 11:30 AM
Hello all,

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Ask Griff - January 2008

Jan 29, 2009 9:23 PM
Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-28-09 12:14 PST

PayPal

If a buyer does something to clearly change the value of an item, in this case, opening the box and removing the item, then you would have a right to refuse a return under the circumstances if the buyer files a SNAD claim.

This one confused me.

Yes, I can see why. It wasn't clear. Sorry. I will rephrase it. If a buyer does something to clearly change the value of the item, in this case, opening the box and removing the item, then, before the buyer sends the item back, the seller would be justified in refusing a return and a refund. The seller would have to specify in their listing something along the following: "This item may only be returned in its original condition, specifically, the item will not be accepted for a return if it the buyer has removed from its box. The recognized value of the item is dependant upon it remaining sealed in its original boxed and never having been removed. This is a standard practice for valuable, unboxed collectibles. I respectfully ask that you do not bid if this is not an acceptable condition."

I would also use tamper proof tape or a label on a part of the box that would have to be opened in order to remove the item and take close up photos of the that part of the box showing the tape intact.



When PayPal tells the buyer to return the item and seller refuses the return, PayPal see's that in the DC that the package was refused by seller.

What's the outcome of that?

That I don't know. It would be difficult I believe for the seller to open the parcel and then refuse to accept delivery of the package, wouldn't it?

Are you saying PayPal won't refund anyway with a legitimate case (buyer damaged item) for the seller just because they refused the package?

It is hoped that the information that the box has been opened would be divulged by the buyer before they ship the item back. The seller, before agreeing to take the item back could remind the buyer that if the tape is not intact, that item will not be returnable. Of course, a buyer could state that it is, and the seller could discover upon reciept of the box, that it isn't. My point, this is not a 100% risk free situation.

What do you think PayPal procedure is on that.
What are the steps PayPal takes before denying or issuing a refund when a package is returned and denied by the seller?

I don't know. I will have to ask.



Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-28-09 12:26 PST

New Discussion Forums

Griff,

to the best of your knowledge, do you know if the new boards will have a longer log in time?

I don't know. I will ask tomorrow. Garnor is giving us a walk through of the final product prior to the upcoming release.




Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-28-09 12:39 PST

Information On File w eBay

If we can prove, by information on file, that there is a connection between a current account and previously suspended account, we will suspend the second and any subsequent accounts.

Griff, what are the procedures in that?

For security reasons, we don't reveal the details of how this actually works.

What is to stop me from signing up with false contact info?

Blatantly false info will flag the system. (again, I cannot discuss the details for security reasons)

What is in place to catch someone from signing up again after suspension with a new ID?
For instance,
Using my next door neighbors address instead of my own and phone number.

Again, I am unable to discuss this.

What else besides details I put in my registration does Ebay do to catch false sign ups?

I cannot reveal that information.



Posted by deltamaster on Jan-28-09 12:41 PST

Buyer Block

Can a block be available to a seller that forces the buyer to first ASQ the seller for permission to bid/buy if they chooses to make their feedback private?

Possibly. It's not a bad suggestion. I will forward it to the appropriate team for consideration. I cannot promise that this will result in the adoption of your suggestion.



Posted by toystover on Jan-28-09 13:48 PST

Deal Alerts

Hello Griff, First of all, thanks very much for starting this thread and answering all our questions.

I would like to know if there is a way to opt out of "deal alerts"? There are others, but this is one I just noticed ...

Deal alert: No one has bid yet. Steal this deal!

I feel it looks very tacky and would hate to have that put on any of my auctions. Have not seen it as an option on the SYI form, so I guess it's just the "(bad) luck of the draw"?!

There is no opt out feature for this alert. It is displayed for all to see.



Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-28-09 13:52 PST

Search Pagination Links

What ever happened to the "change page/Next Page" bar that used to be at the top of the search listings pages?

I don't recall ever seeing the page list at the top but Griff, can this be considered? Is it in the works?
I would love that as a buyer.

I do not know. I can ask but I cannot promise that it will result in the adoption of your request...



Posted by his_majesty_absurd on Jan-28-09 14:26 PST

A Poster Echos Griff's Request

[to anyone posting many posts over and over...]

we all can see that you are very frustrated by the current state of ebay. So are many other posters, me included.

Your posts come in such large number that they are dominating this thread making it almost into your private shouting spot.

Freedom of speech cannot be limited, but - along with other posters (and Griff) who asked earlier to keep posting format to specific questions, i am becoming afraid that if there will be too much shouting, and things like "what is up with that, Griff?" , or "when Ebay will stop XXX" - Griff will not be able to focus on specific problems that actually might have a chance of being addressed by Griff and/or Ebay.

Maybe what you can do- is start your own thread, and post some of the raw and emotional statements on there, maybe get some feedback from fellow posters, and then bring MOST IMPORTANT points to this thread - which would be more consistent with the way Griff is trying to manage it.

Sometimes- less it more, and it is better NOT to drown your important points in the screams of the "frustration fest". You have to prioritize. Griff cannot solve all the world's problems in one sitting;; shouting and temper tantrums will only dilute possibility of resolutions.

As Robert Redford said in "Legal Eagles" -
"carefully chosen words are my weapon". Use your weapon responsibly. Please!

Thank you his_majesty_absurd. I and many others appreciate the reminder! I am goint to limit the number of posts per session to no more than 50. If one person posts, say 10 posts, they have just used up 20% of the quota! Please take time to formulate your posts to contain succinct questions, no more than 3-5 per post and preferably, no more than one post per session. This will give others a chance to post their questions. Thank you.



Posted by career-closet-fashions on Jan-28-09 14:38 PST

You say the buyers are not just a sellers customer but also "eBay's customer" and eBay wants those customers to be happy and come back and shop on their site so it would be best for us to take any and every return for any and every reason.

So when will eBay start bearing some of the burden of refunds with the sellers?

There are no plans to do so.

As it is now eBay loses nothing when a buyer returns an item. Not one red cent.

Uh, yes we do. We loose the FVF which we return to the seller

Would a restocking fee be appropriate and considered within the realm of possibilities/acceptable in these instances? Would it be acceptable to allow returns without having to refund shipping costs?

Possibly. I have stated previously that a return less some seller costs isn't unthinkable. This is not to say I am promising it will happen. But it is worth considering.

I want to sell here and I want my customers to be happy and I want to be happy, heck I wouldn't even mind if eBay was happy but there needs to be a better solution than the seller losing their back side in all this. If eBay will pick up the return shipping and the buyer will pay a restock fee equal to the fees lost, I'll be glad to take all returns and eat the loss of my time etc. How about it what do you think? Workable?

See above. I will take the suggestion back to my team for consideration (with the usual caveat: I cannot promise that doing so will result in the adoption of your suggestion or request).



Posted by aljimo on Jan-28-09 14:59 PST

Tautology and Buyer Obligations

Griff, your buyer responsibility stance seems tautological.

I would respectfully disagree. My stance is realistic. There are some things that are in our purview and some that aren't


Q: How then is a buyer obligated to pay for an item?

A: Because eBay requires it.

That is correct. This is within our purview.

Q: Why is a buyer not obligated to cooperate with an insurance claim?

A: Because eBay doesn't require it.

And we don't require it because currently, we cannot require it. This is way outside our purview. We can request that the buyer return the item before the seller will refund the buyer's payment, but we cannot force a buyer to cooperate with a seller's requests regarding the merchandise in an insurance claim or dispute. There may be a way in the future to accomplish this but for now, we cannot go to the buyer's home and demand they cooperate with the seller on an insurance claim.

Q: Why is a buyer obligated to provide accurate contact information?

A: Because eBay requires it

Q: Why is a buyer not obligated to comply with the seller's TOS?

A: Because eBay doesn't require it.

I said a buyer is required to follow a seller's TOS and that eBay will support that seller's TOS as long as it doesn't contradict eBay policy or buyer protection guidelines. You might want to go back and reread previous Q&A on this topic.



Posted by sko74517 on Jan-29-09 13:59 PST

Vintage eBay, Why the Changes?

A couple of follow ups and some new questions: My original question, your response, my followup:

OQ:Is there any hope at all the eBay will consider starting an "eBay Vintage" or "eBay Classic" site (sort of like eBay Motors), that would be limited to items that are used/collectible/vintage/antique and where those searching for that type of item can do so without having to look at a bunch of new items?

Griff: Extremely unlikely. Breaking traffic into two separate sites doesn't work. We could treat the categories differently (see previous posts and answers). But a totally separate site is not in the cards.

F-up: eBay motors works and works extremely well from what I can see. Sales are high, sell through seems to be excellent and you know what you're going to get when you search there. Why not use this model for vintage items?

Again, it would be extremely unlikely we would create a separate site for vintage items. Some different features for certain category would a more realistic possibility but I would be misleading you if I said there was even a chance that we would split the marketplace by category.

This marketplace has been around since what......1994? It seems to have survived just fine since then and without all of this intervention. Why do you believe that it will fall apart now all of a sudden? Much of the discontent and decline in this market place appears to have occured in the past year.......since many of these changes were made. I realize that we are in the midst of a recession, but other on-line market places seem to be experiencing a greater level of growth than eBay has

There is a perception among some that all of us here inside eBay woke up one day a year or so ago and said, "Hey, things are really great! Let's mix them up! " That is not the case. We do not make changes for changes sake. We made changes because they were crucial to the future success of the marketplace.

I have commented on this many times in the past year. The marketplace and the internet were very different in 1995 when AuctionWeb launched from what we have today. Back then, and through the early years of the this century, the internet and buying online were new, exciting phenomenae. Buyers, fascinated with the new technology, were a lot more forgiving of ineffeciencies and costs in order to be a part of the thrill of the bright new thing, buying online. And, eBay was a much smaller business and community back then. And we were growing at a stupendous rate. They were heady days indeed. Then in 2007, we started to notice some concerning trends with buyers and their buying habits and we realized that the rest of ecommerce had started to evolve and we were falling behind, in part perhaps because of our initial, unheralded success. Thus the pace and depth of the changes in the last year.
We don't always get everything absolutely right (eBay is managed, after all, by human beings) and we do adjust course as necessary. But we would never bring about such a level and pace of change without absolutely solid reasons.



I wish I had kept the first email I got when those changes were made (maybe someone else did??). It never mentioned "raised FVF". What it said is "we listened to you!" and then went on to talk about reduced insertion fees. One had to go to the fees section on eBay to see the increases that were made in the FVF. The creator of that email should have been "precise in their language", because he was clearly not being totally honest in what he said. Do you think he was "precise" in that email?

In hindsight, we could have worded that differently. Not that it wasn't obvious that we were moving the onus of fees from pre-sale (Insertion) to post-sale (Final Value Fee); we even talked about why this was better for the majority of sellers since it is easier to manage costs if they are more heavily weighted on sale success as opposed to listing. But yes, the wording could have been improved.


New Questions:

I read an article that was supposedly posted by a former staff person. A lot of this sounds conspiratorial and totally nuts to me, but I figured this would be a good place to ask them. If there is no truth to them, it would be good to get an unequivocal statement to that effect right away.

I have seen the post in question. I seriously doubt it was written by an ex employee. It certainly is not factual. It is one long list of false, absurd and completely unfounded and untrue predictions and misinformation. It is, in two words, utter nonsense. I won't give it the legitimacy of page space here.



Posted by shabbychicandpink on Jan-29-09 14:03 PST

Seller Needs and Wants

Does what we (sellers) want, need, or ask for have any bearing on the decision making process?

Yes, of course. but keep in mind that we have to manage and build for the entire marketplace. It is not always possible to please every single member of that marketplace.


Is corporate aware that because of the changes over the last year, scores of sellers, who are also buyers have left eBay?

Yes, we are aware that some members have decided to decrease or even stop altogether their buying and selling on eBay out of reaction to the changes of 2008. We suspected this would be an unfortunate consequence of the changes but it was, sadly unavoidable I suppose. However, when we accomplish our mission (and I convinced that we will), perhaps many of them will resume their previous levels of buying and selling activity.



Posted by low*profile on Jan-29-09 14:07 PST

Ratings


If you have a great experience with a seller, why not leave what you believe are appropriate ratings?

I don't have GREAT (5) experiences. I choose sellers intelligently and pretty much always have a GOOD (4) experience - i.e., a routine, trouble-free transaction, for which eBay says the "appropriate" rating is 4.

I tried earlier to differentiate between my (and others') ethical issues and "anxiety". And I understand that DSR's "work" to accomplish eBay's objectives. But I don't agree that the end justifies the means, so for the reasons I gave, I don't participate.

Which is your right of course. Fortunately, you are in a very small minority



Posted by 2366jay on Jan-29-09 14:12 PST

Store Fees

Hi Griff, I heard roumors about store subscription fees going up in april, can you say if this is true.

I cannot comment either way about fee changes (and I make it a mission to not know these things so I am not put in a compromising position with questions like this one).

also, have you used your Texas beerbutt yet. Jay Shadetree Outdoors

Yes! It made a fantastic chicken on the grill! Thanks!



Posted by lightfoot41 on Jan-29-09 14:17 PST

Payment Policy Text in Listings

May I include the following blurb in all of my listings:

I sell in accordance with all eBay policies. I accept payments as directed by eBay policies. In a forum thread (Link), Jim Griffith, Dean of eBay Education and eBay University Instructor, wrote:

"Sellers may not solicit or offer unapproved payment methods either in their listing descriptions or in seller-initiated email or invoices to buyers.

That is the policy. It does not prevent buyers from asking a seller to accept an unapproved payment method. A [seller] (sic) is free in those cases, to accept or decline the buyer's offer."

Once again, I sell in accordance with all eBay policies.

Nice try. No. That would be a violation of the Accepted Payment policy and would result in the listing's deletion and a possible sanction against the seller.



Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-29-09 14:21 PST

Shipping Costs: Separate or in Item Price?

I am a buyer griff

Me too. Big time in fact.

This is only one of seven IDs I have.
All used for buying and two used for selling.

I don't see what your other buyers see.

Since I was little, those commercials that would interupt my I dream of jeannie episodes, I noticed the shipping prices on tv commercials. Always wondered even then how much profit a company makes an S&H

That is carried over to anything now I buy online.On and off of Ebay.I have trouble believing that buyers will stick with a higher list price over lower + ship and from their perpective, looks better when to me, it looks worse.

I have tried your way. $99.98 + Priority Ship vs $108.
The $99.98 wins out every time.

If you tried it my way, then you have tested it and discovered that your way works for you. If it works for you, then continue to use it as a pricing strategy.

To me, buyers look at the list price first thing, then scan over to the ship price second.
First price, first impression.That gets buyer to click on my line for the listing and then to buy.

The other goes on the relist. Right now, I can't really compare because things are very slow in my areas of selling. This was my experience as of...1, 2 months ago. Do you think it's good advice to let people experiment for themselves?

Absolutely. I am a proponent of the hypothesis/test/adapt strategy of business. Apparently you are too because you tested both pricing models and you discovered that for your items, moving the cost of shipping to the item didn't work.

Ask friends and neighbors and see what they think about perspective instead of relying on unseen others to relay that info?

I wasn't relying on "unseen others" I was relying on our buyer data which shows an unmistakable buyer preference for free or reduced shipping, even for items where the shipping cost has been moved to the item price.



Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-29-09 14:29 PST

I think a good, if not perfect solution might be more Buyer Requirement options for blocking buyers. For example, a block for buyers who leave x or x% of negative feedback or bid retractions or INR or SNAD complaints. Perhaps giving more control to sellers on who can bid or buy from them would be a workable solution. (I am pretty sure most sellers would welcome more control).

Griff, that's what we need.Anything in the works that you can talk about in that regard?

Not at this time, but it is something I will pursue with the rest of the team.



Posted by whataboutmoneyorders on Jan-29-09 14:43 PST

Seller Advocate

Griff, you said:

And that is the crux of the issue. I am passionate about advocating for you and all sellers but that doesn't mean there won't be times when we disagree.

A seller's advocate will never please all sellers, all the time, but that does not make him any less an advocate for sellers


[Do you believe that an advocate pleading the cause of a group should set aside their personal opinions when those opinions disagree with the majority of the group, and that the advocate should defer to what the majority of the group wants when deciding what to advocate FOR?]

Yes, but tempered with reality. Members sometimes suggest, request, want or even demand things that I know are just not possible. It would be wrong for me to mislead sellers for example, that some of what they request would be possible.

And I try to limit posting my own opinions to those times when someone specifically asks me what I think, as opposed to what eBay thinks (though admittedly, they are not usually far apart and only occasionally markedly different).


I totally agree that no one can please everyone all of the time, and I also don't expect you to be a miracle worker Griff, especially when it comes to getting policies changed. But I would feel a lot more reassured and comfortable knowing that the seller advocate would be pleading for what the majority of the group wants, even if the advocate might not necessarily agree with it himself. That the position and stance of the group would be what's brought to the table, and represented.

[Does that seem fair?]

Yes, and it is exactly what I do.




Posted by beautifulbb2u on Jan-29-09 14:54 PST

WWGD?

GRIFF I HAVE A QUESTION

I for one would be curious to know how you would solve this scenario:

You are just a little old man trying to sell a couple things honestly.

That's me alright.

What would you do if you did actually get ONE negative feedback on your account? and they take out your DSRs with all 1's.

It would give me pause, initially. More below.

Due to your low selling volume, suddenly your 100% FB drops to 96% and your DSR's now hover just above 4's.

Let's imagine just for once, you aren't you.

A dream come true, (with the help of the right medication).

No contacts at eBay. No phone numbers to call. No insider expertise.

That I have any "insider expertise" is debatable, at least among some, and that often includes myself by the way. But continue...

And no ME page telling everyone who you are at eBay.

You know I have to do that, right? Full disclosure and all...

You just have to be a regular non-descript little seller.

There are no "regular non-descript little seller"s. Every seller is a star in my eyes. But I will go with it for now.

What could you do to right the situation? I would like to know - step by step.

First, I would stop and think; "Well, there it is. I finally ran into one of those impossible-to-please buyers everyone's always talking about." And, unless I thought there was something about that particular transaction that I could learn from and use to change a business practice, I would put it behind me with "Next." (I am a fervent believer of "Next.")

If my DSRs hadn't dropped below the threshold, I would immediately list more items with the goal of more sales and more good ratings to mitigate the effects of this difficult customer's ratings. And if my ratings had dropped below the threshold? If I had other current listings, I would pour on the maximum charm and customer service to gain, I would hope, more great ratings to mitigate that one low rating. If I had no other current listings, I would wait till the rating-in-question rolled off my 30-day average and, if I absolutely had to sell more things in the meantime, I would try selling in other channels until I could list again on eBay.

I know it's not always apparent here, but in real life, I am a lot more stoic than some might imagine.

Contrary to popular belief, I did have a life before I stumbled upon eBay in 1996. Prior to eBay, I had been self-employed most of my working life. My partner and I ran an antiques business for 20 years (and yes, we had a B&M store for a while). I also had a career as a decorative artist in NYC during that time, for about 10 years working for the most demanding of clients imaginable: the rich and famous. I also worked as both a professional musician and photographer for a time in the 70's. And, except for few small breaks, I have always had some items for sale on eBay. I have had some experience with a variety of customers in a variety of business situations. Why do I bring this up? My past experience informs much of my current perspective on customer service. I don't just make it up as I go along.

Thank you, beautifulbb2u for allowing me the opportunity to divulge and divert a bit. I trust my mini indulgence hasn't offended anyone.





And with that, we are caught up. I will re-open the thread tomorrow morning for more questions. Thank you all who posted your questions here.

If you cannot wait til tomorrow or if you are unable to be here while the thread is open, feel free to email your question to me at griff@ebay.com using your regular email client (not My Messages please!)Put Ask Griff Q&A in the subject line and be sure to read the question guidelines posted previously. I will include the most recent bunch of email questions and my responses tomorrow.


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Ask Griff - January 2008

Jan 30, 2009 9:31 AM
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Jan 30, 2009 5:35 PM
Posted by spoonheart on Jan-30-09 09:44 PST

Hidden Email Question Redux

I didn't see the answer to my question so I will ask a third time...

Is eBay US going to go to a system like Germany's where all the e-mail is handled through eBay and the members can not and will not be able to see each others e-mail addresses?

I answered this question previously in the batch posted @ Jan-27-09 08:35 PST 20 of 66



Posted by 71ace on Jan-30-09 09:47 PST

Paperless Payments

As a seller, I am really disappointed in the "upgrades" eBay has recently made with the paperless payment along with pushing the use of PayPal. I now realize, however, that eBay owns PayPal so the paperless push is more clear. I do not care for PayPal thanks to a recent buyer dispute and do not want to use PayPal for my auctions - I would prefer to take checks or money orders. Will you consider bringing this very useful payment option back?

We won't be rolling back this payment policy change.

I also do not understand why eBay and PayPal will not honor my auction terms. I state that I do not accept returns that all sales are final. The buyer's bid agrees to these terms, however a careless buyer who does not ask questions or want to fully commit to the sale can complain and nearly always get refunded, PayPal just helps themselves to my funds while forcing me to accept returns and totally trumping my auction terms. Will eBay and PayPal honor my auction terms?

See my previous responses to this popular question.



Posted by purse*couture on Jan-30-09 09:49 PST

WWGD (not WWED)

Griff,

You replied to this question posed by beautifulbb2u with this:

Posted by beautifulbb2u on Jan-29-09 14:54 PST

What could you do to right the situation? I would like to know - step by step.

First, I would stop and think; "Well, there it is. I finally ran into one of those impossible-to-please buyers everyone's always talking about." And, unless I thought there was something about that particular transaction that I could learn from and use to change a business practice, I would put it behind me with "Next." (I am a fervent believer of "Next.")

If my DSRs hadn't dropped below the threshold, I would immediately list more items with the goal of more sales and more good ratings to mitigate the effects of this difficult customer's ratings. And if my ratings had dropped below the threshold? If I had other current listings, I would pour on the maximum charm and customer service to gain, I would hope, more great ratings to mitigate that one low rating. If I had no other current listings, I would wait till the rating-in-question rolled off my 30-day average and, if I absolutely had to sell more things in the meantime, I would try selling in other channels until I could list again on eBay.


"I would try selling in other channels until I could list again on eBay"

Are you therefore encouraging sellers on eBay to list elsewhere?

No. This was a response to a hypothetical question ("Griff, if you were not you and X happened...)

Does eBay management also feel this way?

The question was directed to me as a "civilian seller." It was hypothetical. There is not even a remote chance that I will find myself in the proposed situation, however, it is was a good question and deserved a response."

Let'd set some clear guidelines regarding my perspective and eBay's perspective before this turns into a long game of "gotchya Griff!"

Some questions are directly at me and not eBay. For example, if someone asks, "Griff, what is your opinion?" I will answer with "I believe..." or "It is my opinion..." So, when I say "I", it means me, my opinion, my belief, my personal selling, what I would do, etc (Yes, I am allowed to have a personal opinion which I may choose to share when asked or when I believe appropriate.)

When someone asks about eBay ("Griff, what does eBay think...?") I will answer with "eBay believes..." or "We believe...." When I say "we," or "eBay," I am speaking on behalf of eBay.

When my opinion differs from eBay's official position (and it does sometimes) you will know it if I am asked and if supplying my own opinion is appropriate to the question or comment it is meant to address.




Posted by doggiesarecool on Jan-30-09 10:10 PST

Search Ranking Concern

HI Griff & Everybody - Griff,I am still having a problem listing. My DSR's for 12 months are:4.94/4.89/4.86/4.78 (even tho I charge exact postage,with postage showing on label). I have no 30 day DSR's.I am showing 100% feedback,and show no policy violations. My search is standard.Ebay tells me this at the end - "Thank you for providing buyers with a positive shopping experience".

My problem with listing, is that I cannot see spending any money on listing fee's, if my listings are going to be buried at least 2/3 down the list. To me this would be paying for something (the listing fee's), only to be punished, but yet Ebay thanks me for providing buyers with a positive shopping experience.

Are you assuming that your listings would be "buried at least 2/3 down the list?"

"Standard" ranking is not a bad thing. It depends on more than just your ranking status as determined by your ratings averages (which are actually excellent btw). If you list in the auction format, then your item will be combined in a Best Match sort rank by one major factor: Time Ending Soonest. This is the standard ranking for all auction format listings in a Best Match sort. It also depends on how many items are returned on a search for your item using keywords. If there is one page of items, then yours will be on the first page of course. If there are 30 pages, then your will be, like all other seller's listings in the auction format, sorted by Ending Soonest and will share with every other matching auction format listing, time at the top towards the ending time for the listing (Time Ending Soonest being the hand's down most popular sort order for buyers looking for auctions).

If you listing is in a Fixed Price format, then your item still has a good if not better chance of showing on the first or first pages of a title keywords search return list. The most important factors in a Fixed Price Best Match sort are (in no specific order) Previous Sales, Feedback and DSR ratings, Shipping cost and of course, relevancy.


From a business standpoint, this would be bad on my part, to pay for something, knowing I am not going to receive it (the listings not being seen).

But your items can and will be seen and can be found. Even without Best Match, your items would show up towards the first page in different sorts: ending soonest, newly listed, highest cost, lowest cost, etc.

You have been in business for your self, can you give me any valid reason, for me to spend my money under these circumstances? I can't think of one reason to spend my money here, knowing I am not going to get what I had paid for.

Because your assumption is not correct. Unless you are selling items at fixed price at an uncompetitive price with higher than average shipping and your seller account has a record of customer complaints and your DSRs are low, then your items will be seen and found. Have you tested this to see either way? If not, you might want to consider doing so



itsallgood4me2 on Jan-30-09 10:17 PST

More Buyer Requirements!

I think a good, if not perfect solution might be more Buyer Requirement options for blocking buyers. For example, a block for buyers who leave x or x% of negative feedback or bid retractions or INR or SNAD complaints. Perhaps giving more control to sellers on who can bid or buy from them would be a workable solution. (I am pretty sure most sellers would welcome more control).

You replied that there is nothing in the works but that you'd pursue it with the rest of the team. Will you pursue it soon, please?

I will do better than that. I will pursue it now, immediately. It is a pet project of mine (more control to sellers through expanded Buyer Requirements. Again, the standard disclaimer: I cannot promise that this willl blah blah blah...but, I am feeling pretty confident on this one. It's an ideal solution to a lot of seller issues. More in the coming weeks. I will keep you up to date with progress.

Thanks Griff, and have a great weekend!!

Thanks! You too!



Posted by low*profile on Jan-30-09 10:24 PST

Sending Suggestions for Site Content Improvements

Griff, re your remarks in the previous group of answers about how the fees announcements should have been better worded - I think this is a serious problem with eBay - not just in announcements, but in many of the help pages, responses to inquiries, input instructions, etc. Sometimes eBay wording appears to have been intentionally written so as to be ambiguous or confusing. (BTW, my post re not using DSR's boils down to eBay wording. Were the DSR explanation/usage guidelines analyzed and deliberate, or are they just "good enough"?)

I have several times submitted complaints/suggestions about artless or confusing wording but since this doesn't require an answer, don't know if they're seen by anyone whose specific job it is to worry about clear, concise, accurate site content Does eBay employ writers/specialists to edit and refine site content, or does each functional group compose/issue its own announcements/documentation?

If no specialized group exists, could I suggest that one SHOULD exist?

A dedicated content group does exsist here of course. They are in the middle of a daunting task: refining and editing all site content, especially our Help pages (which, I don't know if you have noticed, have actually improved greatly in the last year). If you have a suggestion for them, send it along to me and I will forward it to them for consideration. (I have found a few places where things could be tweaked and have sent it along to them so they are used to getting suggestions from me.)



Posted by billslongbows on Jan-30-09 10:44 PST

Ads on eBay

>> As a seller , how does ebay placing links to alternate web sites on my listing page help me make a sale and now placing ebay competitors listing on my page help me?

> I don't know if it is supposed to benefit you directly.

How can it benefit us at all? The diamond sellers are just using ebay as cheap advertising - to pull buyers away from ebay. When they find the items are cheaper there, they won't come back.

There used to be an option to opt-out of co-advertising. If that has been removed, what is the chance of reinstating it? That way, if a seller wants his items on other listings, he has to allow listings on his pages as well.

With regards to placing ads on a seller's item page. Currently, the test is on closed item pages, not live. In any final release, sellers will be able to opt out of having other seller's items appear on their closed listing pages. By opting out, that seller's ads will not appear on other seller's closed listing pages.

Is eBay making an increased effort to close out the shilling rings? There still seems to be a lot of it going on. There are many reports on the T&S group about such rings being reported, with no action being taken by eBay. The ones I have reviewed were obvious, such as 10 new IDs registered on the same day and all of them buying 20 identical items from the same 20 sellers. Some of the IDs have built up hundreds of feedback entries this way, often for buying such things as a "rubber band" or similar nonsense item.

There are thousands of such auctions. Just have one of your T&S people put a word in the search string, such as "clip" and sort on lowest S&H first. A lot of these could be found and eliminated by a bot - such as the ones listed for a few cents with free shipping.

We have the most sophisticated, proprietary shill detection software imaginable. It detects verifiable account connections, and patterns of buying and selling. If the software detects possible shills and we can, upon closer examination, determine that the activity is verifable, we take action. If the activity cannot be verified, we take no action.

Is eBay going to start listing the combined price plus shipping in the feedback? All feedback should include that amount, as well as the item title - and it should remain viewable forever, not disappear after 90 days (or whatever it is now).

I don't believe there are plans to list the combined price of an item in feedback but it's an excellent suggestion which I will forward to the team in charge.



Posted by sko74517 on Jan-30-09 10:48 PST

Fees, Advertising, Rare Items, & My eBay

Fees:

Is there any possibility that eBay will get rid of all listing fees? Having a higher FVF actually makes more sense to me than having listing fees, for all the obvious reasons. If the answer is "yes" or "maybe", will you please suggest that they not go nuts to try and make up the difference!! LOL!

Yes, lower to no listing fees are always a possibility. Some might even assume that we are heading in that direction from past fee changes. However, I could not possibly comment on that assumption (this is not an announcement).

Advertising:

Since Yahoo and others can apparently provide links that take eBay buyers off eBay, will there ever be an opportunity for eBay sellers to advertise their items on other sites they sell on?

Sellers can contact Yahoo and inquire about entry into the PPC with eBay program.

Rare Items:

In one of your previous posts, you suggested that the seller place a tamper proof label on the box of a rare sealed item, in such way that opening the box would destroy the label. As an antique seller, don't you realize that placing such a label on a rare box would also lower the value?

It depends on the box. The tamper proof labels I use are not super adhesive to the point of destroying the underlining surface upon which they are placed. I might think twice about using it on paper of course, but on varnished wood or a sturdy painted surface, I would not hesitate to use one.

My eBay:

You stated that eBay monitors the useage of a product like My eBay around the clock to determine impact on the business. You stated that so far, the usage data doesn't indicate a significant impact.

Isn't it possible that in the case of My eBay, continued use of the product is not so much an indicator that it works, but simply that we're all just stuck with the bugger?

Data is data. It shows useage, but not sentiment. If the new version was actually unusable for whatever reason, we would know it instantaneously. For the record, I started using it last summer and now prefer it to the old version. There are few things about it I don't like that much but overall, I am happy with it.

Thanks Griff I appreciate your patience!

You're welcome!



Posted by billslongbows on Jan-30-09 10:54 PST

New Thread In February?

Will you be starting a new thread in February? This one is getting awfully long.

Yes, and I cannot wait!



Posted by hightides_beach_shop on Jan-30-09 11:17 PST

More on Final Value Fees and Seller Costs

As it is now eBay loses nothing when a buyer returns an item. Not one red cent.


Uh, yes we do. We loose the FVF which we return to the seller


That's not money out of Ebays pocket beyond what a seller puts in, such as shipping. In other words, Ebay doesn't lose a cent beyond the finals and does not pay out more beyond that amount do they Griff?

Yes of course, but a lost FVF is a lost FVF.

And you agree sellers lose extra money in initial ship cost beyond the item price which is refunded?

I do.

Do you agree sellers have more to lose in refunds then Ebay?

On the transaction? Of course.

List price $45.00, ship $4.90 (possible insurance).
Returned for any reason. Seller loses the ship cost which has to come from their pocket.

However, when we accomplish our mission (and I convinced that we will), perhaps many of them will resume their previous levels of buying and selling activity.

One of the reasons I'm hanging in here. Part dare devil and part of my hoping this has a reasonable ending.

Ask friends and neighbors and see what they think about perspective instead of relying on unseen others to relay that info?

I wasn't relying on "unseen others" I was relying on our buyer data which shows an unmistakable buyer preference for free or reduced shipping, even for items where the shipping cost has been moved to the item price.

But I can't see that information. Therefor, unseen.
Can I?

No, at least not at this time.

I think a good, if not perfect solution might be more Buyer Requirement options for blocking buyers. For example, a block for buyers who leave x or x% of negative feedback or bid retractions or INR or SNAD complaints. Perhaps giving more control to sellers on who can bid or buy from them would be a workable solution. (I am pretty sure most sellers would welcome more control).

In regards to the above statement and your reply but it is something I will pursue with the rest of the team.

Thank you tons.

I have no more questions at this time Griff

Thank you for filling us in on what you could and your personal insite to many of the on going situations here.
This means a lot to many people that finally, someone came in to try to help clear things up.
Hope you plan to stick around.

Your welcome and I plan on sticking around



Posted by mygift2u on Jan-30-09 11:22 PST

When?

However, when we accomplish our mission (and I convinced that we will), perhaps many of them will resume their previous levels of buying and selling activity.

From this statement, I read there are more changes in the works. The state-of-the-art eBay will not bring them back. Can you disclose a timeframe whereby we will start seeing some things (changes) that will actually bring back the sellers that left. Or keep the ones that are thinking about leaving?

Yes. There will be information in about three to four weeks.



Posted by buriedbybooks on Jan-30-09 11:32 PST

International Media Sellers

Griff,

why are international media sellers considered acceptable collateral damage after being URGED to list on international sites via ebay's International Best Practices?

(for your information, Griff: )

Link

List on eBay sites in multiple countries. While international buyers often come to the U.S. site to buy, they are also often browsing other eBay sites for the item. Listing in all your main trading markets gives you greater exposure and more bidding activity. Your eBay ID works on all eBay sites, and PayPal allows you to list in 17 currencies. When selling across borders, be aware of country regulations and restrictions.


This is information for US sellers who want to list on International sites, not international sellers based outside of the US who want to list on eBay.com

On the August Discussion Board, we were told we had "call out" a non-standard item in the description area in order to be 'safe' from having the listing pulled for excessive shipping when using the calculator.

Is that still the case or has that changed?

It is still good advice and still applicable. If a seller needs to use the calculator for a media item, they should specify the size and weight of the item to indicate clearly to the buyer and to eBay if necessary, that it is non standard.




Posted by buriedbybooks on Jan-30-09 11:40 PST

Free Shipping Required?

re: 'eBay does not require Free Shipping'

In the DVDs category, the maximum will be set to zero and sellers will be required to offer free delivery as their first domestic postage option.

Link

Ebay.com may not currently require FREE shipping, but it is incorrect to state that 'ebay' does not require free shipping.

Clearly, they do.

Given the history of 'testing' policy and products in international markets 'first' before applying them to eBay North America, can you see why sellers are worried about this issue?

Sure. Let me repeat: There are no plans to require free shipping in media categories for eBay.com



Posted by jay_cor on Jan-30-09 11:41 PST

Buyer Threats

In response to accepting returns for buyers remorse because the buyer found a cheaper item, you said: "Well, actually, this is not a valid reason for a return on eBay. If a buyer admits to a seller that they want to return the item because they bought it cheaper somewhere else or from another eBay seller, we won't support them in a claim. ("I found it cheaper somewhere else" is not a valid reason in a PayPal or eBay dispute)".

Okay, then, I would like you to explain how exactly that was allowed to happen to me. I sold an item to a buyer that she saw in a store after the fact that was half the price she paid for mine. She immediately emailed me and demanded that I pay her the difference in prices. I refused, telling her I would give her a full refund (less shipping) if she returned the item to me. She refused to return the item because I would not pay for shipping. She threatened to file a false SNAD with PayPal, until I explained to her that PayPal would still require her to pay for return shipping. At that point, she threatened negative feedback. I immediately contacted eBay's Trust and Safety Department about this, provided them with the emails, and was told there was nothing they could do. Since eBay wouldn't help me at all, and fearing negative feedback, I gave in and refunded the difference in prices to the buyer. Two days later, she left me a nice big negative anyways. I once again contacted Trust and Safety about the negative feedback and asked for it to be removed. What was I told in return? I was told that I should have paid for return shipping in the first place to avoid the negative. They said they would not remove the feedback and that I should leave appropriate feedback in return. Thank goodness this was before sellers were no longer allowed to leave negative feedback, otherwise, I wouldn't have even had the opportunity to do that.

Ah. This happened before the changes. That's why T&S told you that they wouldn't be able to remove any negative feedback this buyer might leave, because before we made the change, buyers could leave negative feedback in these cases and it would not be removed. Today, this is not the case.

So, Griff, my question to you is, had the buyer went ahead and filed the SNAD would eBay/PayPal have found in my favor, and, if they did find in my favor, would eBay still have allowed the buyer to leave me negative feedback because of this?

Back then, prior to the changes to Feedback? Yes. Today? No.



Posted by jay_cor on Jan-30-09 11:46 PST

Unfair SNAD claims

This was your response to a poster stating that buyers should be held accountable for buyers remorse because it costs the seller money: "This will be a point on which we may never agree. I don't believe that buyers are accountable for anything but paying. If a buyer of mine is, for whatever reason, unhappy with their purchase (buyer remorse), I want them to send it back for a refund. I don't sell to make buyers unhappy and I don't make their lack of satisfaction conditional. An unhappy buyer is an unhappy buyer."

Please explain to me how this is fair. I once sold an expensive Halloween costume to a buyer that needed it for a party. Ten days after receiving the costume (after the party), the buyer informed me that she would be sending it back for a full refund. I immediately refused, stating that the auction clearly states I do not accept returns on costumes due to the time-sensitive nature of the item. The buyer admitted multiple times that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the costume, she just did not need it anymore. After I refused to let her return the costume, I did not hear from her for two months until PayPal informed me that the buyer had gone straight to her credit card and filed a chargeback. She fraudulently claimed SNAD and PayPal immediately took the money from my account. PayPal promised to help me fight this, and for two months I gathered every bit of evidence I could proving the buyer was lying and the chargeback was unwarranted. In all, I had faxed PayPal 16 pages of evidence, including multiple emails where the buyer stated their was nothing wrong with the costume, and, best of all, proof that the buyer had worn the costume to the party. Final result? PayPal told me there was nothing they could do for me because it was filed as a SNAD.

After I had spent two months gathering undeniable proof that the SNAD was false, they said they would only get involved if the chargeback had been filed because of INR or Unauthorized Purchase. The buyer got all her money back and she got to keep the costume. Furious, I filed a report against PayPal with the BBB and submitted to them the 16 pages of evidence I had submitted to PayPal showing how I was getting taken advantage of by both the buyer and PayPal. End result? PayPal called the very next day offering an apology and a "courtesy" credit to my account for the cost of the costume. I was happy to have my money back, but still furious I had to jump through so many hoops to get it. I should not have had to go through that in the first place.

Sorry Griff, but that is not the cost of doing business, especially when you are a small seller. Maybe diamond sellers and other big box eBay sellers can write something like that off, but small sellers cannot. For all the comments coming from eBay denying that they are trying to weed out small sellers, they sure do give advice that is to the contrary. Another thing, I noticed you like to say you've never heard about things like this happening before or that if they do happen it is very rarely. I hate to break it to you, but only a small percentage of eBay users come to these boards. Just because somebody has not personally contacted you about a problem like this does not mean it doesn't happen. Ebay needs to drop the "buyers can do no wrong" attitude and see these transactions for what they really are.

When did this happen? This past Holloween? If so, send me all the details. Not just so I can get you redress, but so I can put together exactly what happened and determine if this is a good case study for what we need to change. Send everything, including emails from the buyer, to me at griff@ebay.com using your regular email, not My Messages!



Posted by peach*pizzazz 75.168.47.155 on Jan-30-09 11:58 PST

Email Question

Griff, I'm still waiting for a response to my email I sent you twice now.

Are you sending it to griff@ebay.com using your regular email and not My Messages? I am caught up with all email as of this morning. I cannot deduce your email address from your User ID.



Posted by snappyauctions14 on Jan-30-09 11:58 PST

Response to Suggestions

Hi Griff:

...if eBay can really see how their forced return/automatic SNAD refund policy (via compelling use of Pay Pal) is hurting sellers - especially those who are not dealing on inventory/retail type items, and if eBay is genuinely concerned about all their sellers being successful, what, besides (to paraphrase) 'we'll look into it' does the poor seller have to look forward to exactly?

I don't have anything to provide at this time. I said, I will bring this up in our next team meeting. I will do so.

Put a better way - you are doing your best to answer what you can - and forward 'up the chain' those issues for which you can't answer. Not just for this one example set, but many others. And that's the real question set here:

What plans are in place to offer actual feedback to members for those suggestions that you can't? Simply restating the policy that caused the question in the first place is not resolution for it - just like having only a 'seller's perspective' (service/goods provider) type reply to a buyer (a customer) is not considered good business practice by you as you have stated repeatedly.

When I know that there is news I can announce about a new change or feature that may have been connected to a proffered suggestion, I will bring it. Before that time, it would be inappropriate to provide more information. We also do not recontact members who have sent in suggestions with a status or progress report on their suggestion. It's only been about 3 weeks since I started taking questions. I ask for your patience. Thanks

To close the loop, you answered the above question group (from that poster) with words to the effect that - I'll suggest it but can't promise anything. Exactly when and how will these be followed up?

See above

Who (since you can't) will answer them specifically and when?

See above

What is the timeframe for this?

We cannot promise a time frame for suggestion processing. I apologize if this is unacceptable to you but it is the reality.

Thanks as always for your continued support and attention.

You are welcome



Posted by gcs220 on Jan-30-09 12:04 PST

eBay's Mission

Griff, what is eBay's path? What is eBay's mission? Specifically, what is the vision for eBay to which all these changes are leading? Draw us a picture (in words) of what eBay will look like, of what it will be.

I cannot draw that picture for you, not now. But I can give a short answer as to mission and path by stating what we do: We connect buyers and sellers. It is as simple as that. This drives everything we do.

I see eBay as a an advertising portal, a classified ads site, with links to everywhere and anywhere. I stated as much last May on eBayInkBlog, and my post was removed. Can you honestly draw me a different picture?

I cannot see into the future, but eBay's vision is to be the best marketplace for connecting buyers and sellers.



Posted by thebeesknees on Jan-30-09 12:17 PST

Sellers are eBay's Customers!

I will also ask again, my two-part question:

How does eBay expect their paying cusotmer (us sellers) to maintain a sound (or even loose resemblance) of a business plan if you will not acknowledge us as such?

We have never stated that sellers are not our customers. Of course you are our customers. As for your business plans, I understand exactly what you are saying and I agree with you. You need to know what we are planning for you and you want to provide input into the planning process. Something is in the works. (I hinted as much in a previous response).

You are all about implementing the 3-phase disruptive innovation model and if you truly see this as a worthwhile direction/plan, then why are your sellers not included in the process, at least at the discussion level.

See above

And no, Griff coming here answering questions does make for a meaningful dialog between the customer (us sellers) and the eBay D.I. team. Heck, even Griff acknowledges there are things he does not know or is not privy to release.

Forgive me if I am wrong but I believe you meant to say "..coming here answering questions does not make for a meaningful dialog..." and if that is the case, and you actually believe this is a wasted exercise, then I tell you this: People here are watching this thread. I have forwarded every post that I said I would forward. The thread and the posts have sparked discussions and will yield results. Let me again set your expectations though, I cannot promise that everything every single poster has requested will be created or changed. I cannot promise you when any changes might be coming. But I assure you, I am not here to waste your or my time.



Posted by mygift2u on Jan-30-09 12:19 PST
Seller Dashboard Issue
Griff

THANK YOU for this thread.
=========================

I believe there is either some manipulation or glitch(s) going on regarding my DSR's. I know others are reporting similar glitches. Since the day that eBay "flip-flopped" the two lines we see, my DSR's have been substantially lower on my Dashboard than they have ever been and lower than I believe they should be. I believe the glitch has more to do with eBay changing the display in the Dashboard than with my true ratings. I hope someone is looking into this.

Most of us are aware that there was an earlier Dashboard glitch that was causing displayed DSR's to be incorrect. I was very vocal about that glitch and eventually I saw an article on Auctionbytes where eBay finally admitted they were having some problems.

I believe there is a new glitch. It may not be an across the board problem but I have seen enough posts to know it is not just me.

If you believe that there is something amiss with the display of DSRs in your Seller Dashboard, send the information to me and I will forward it to the team in charge. Thanks





If you have an account or feature issue or bug, please send it to me via email. You will get a quicker response and faster resolution. This thread is for questions, not for bug or feature or site issues or problems. Reporting them here is not the most effecient means towards a resolution. Thanks.






Posted by guitar_parts_for_you on Jan-30-09 12:46 PST

UPI Process Needs Streamlining and Shortening

Hi Griff,
Re Non Paying Bidders:
Now that eBay is mostly electronic payment only, should not the process be shortened? In other words, we have to wait a week before we can file UID, the wait 8 more days to file for the refund. Back in the day we were told this was to give the buyer a chance to get a money order or check to us. Since they now would have had to have our permission to do a check or money order would it not make sense to shorten the process.
In other words, allow the seller to file the UID 3 days after the end of the auction. 2 days after a BIN. Then 3 days after the UID is filed the seller is granted a refund, unless of course the buyer pays. This would shorten the whole process to under a weeks time. Of course while still allow sellers that want to give their buyer more time the ability to do so.

Will

This question has been asked previously. My response was "yes, it should be shortened and we are looking at this as an enhancement at the moment.





Please, before posting your question, read the entire thread of past questions and answers first. I will soon stop responding to all, not just a few, duplicate questions. If you post a question and it is not included in a response post, it was either previously asked or it was rhetorical. Thanks.




Posted by guitar_parts_for_you on Jan-30-09 12:48 PST

Diamond PowerSellers

Hi Griff,
Re Diamond Power Sellers. One Problem I and other PS have with this is that they never had to "Pay their dues". I start selling on eBay today. best scenario is that I would get Powerseller status in about a month / month and a half. To do that I would have to sell at lest 300 items or $3,000 in sales by the end of the month. About 3/4's of the way through the next moth I receive my status. I can't call eBay and say, I can sell $25,000 a month in sales, just look at my web page. I need to sign up and be given all the privileges of a Platinum Power Seller. Without ever having sold 1 item on the site.

Why are the Diamond PS given the benefits, before they even sell one item on the site? And shouldn't they have to reach that sales volume on eBay first, then be offered Diamond status? It seems that ever other PS status has to take a certain amount of work to get there. Diamond just takes a few phone calls.

Sellers can attain Diamond PowerSeller status either by reaching it with previous sales on eBay or through a contract with eBay. Diamond PowerSellers actually have stricter standards to which they must adhere, stricter than other levels of PowerSeller.

And to make it worse there is one in particular item 280302004393 will give you their name, that is doing poorly as far as customer service goes with a 98.2% pos feedback, nor does it seem they are even doing Titanium level sales. Yet they were given Diamond status??? I not against the program, just believe that eBay should make them show that they can do what they say they can do first, before they are given the keys.

Just as we would never discuss your account status publicly, we would never discuss the specifics of any seller's account status on eBay. However, as a general statement, PowerSeller status for any level of PowerSeller is not removed immediately. Except for serious or egregious violations of policy, PowerSeller status is guaged and determined on a 30 day basis.



Posted by crlrmr78 on Jan-30-09 12:53 PST

My eBay

Hi Griff! I read this thread everymorning with my coffee.
Learning a lot.

Glad to hear it!

Question#1. I noticed the little line over the watcher number has disappeared. Will that ever come back as a # of views? That would be handy. It's pain to go to the Active page all the time to get that info.

You mean the hit counter on the actual listing page? I have been asking for that myself. I don't know why it was never included. I will ask the My eBay team... when they have a moment.

Question#2. I buy a lot on another ID. The favorite sellers page no longer has the Favorite Sellers Top Picks link. I use that every day as I'm a repeat buyer of my favorite sellers (30 of them). The new page has cells that need to be opened one at a time and they don't stay locked open when you revisit the page. Any chance that might change? Like an Open All button or something like that?
Thanks! :D

Excellent suggestion. I will forward this as well to the My eBay team. Thanks!




The Ask Griff thread is now in Response Mode (locked). I will post more responses later tonight to catch up with all the posted questions. The thread will reopen for Question Mode on Sunday morning, February 1st.

Thanks to all who have particpated. Your input does matter.

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Ask Griff - January 2008

Jan 31, 2009 12:47 PM
Here it the last batch of Q&A for January.






WEATHER ALERT

Meteorologists are predicting a major snow storm for the Eastern US on Monday and Tuesday.

Please keep this in mind if you are buying or selling to anyone located in the path of this storm. Expect shipping or communication delays from your buyer or seller.









Posted by guitar_parts_for_you on Jan-30-09 13:13 PST

Streamlining Feedback

Hi Griff,
Re feedback (yes I've seen the survey and know it may change) but my question is could we not make it very easy for the buyer to leave it. In a lot of cases the buyer is happy and that is all there is to it. Why not a single button they could click that would leave the seller a positive, with a generic comment, and 5 stars? Or what ever the future feedback is set up as, adapt as such.
But still allow the buyer the flexibility that if they want to do it manually, or were not happy, they can choose to enter the information of their choice.
My reasoning for this is as a seller I am able to leave 100's of feedbacks with no effort thanks to SMP. Why should my buyers have to go through all the process, especially if they are happy. Heck they need to get back to that auction they are bidding on

Will

We are all for streamlining the "leave feedback" flow for buyers in future enhancements to feedback. Some of the intial work I have seen indicates that this is the definite direction in which we are heading.





Posted by josiewayne on Jan-30-09 13:19 PST

Buyer Payment Requests

Hello, can a seller accept money orders if buyer requests it?

Yes. For more information, please see the August 25th Workshop and the FAQ for Accepted Payments.




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Posted by beautifulbb2u on Jan-30-09 14:04 PST

Is there any hope of sellers getting their true voices back and being able to leave neutral and negative feedback?

Why aren't chronic negative leaving buyers sanctioned or removed? Yet the sellers are instantly slapped as bad and forced to either dig out or leave?

Without sellers being able to leave less than positive FB ... well, it is near to impossible to see a bad/difficult buyer before it is too late.

Any future safeguards in the works for sellers against buyer abuse?

There are options under consideration. We will provide more information as it is avaliable.

Please, please, please ~ give sellers back the full range of FB options.

I will not mislead you. Negative feedback for buyers is not one of the options under consideration. It is not coming back.




Posted by beautifulbb2u on Jan-30-09 14:11 PST

Feedback and DSR Removal

In the rare instance when negative feedback is reversed (removed) why aren't the DSR ratios also set to the pre-neg numbers?

When a feedback comment is deleted but the feedback entry remains (commonly indicated by "Feedback comment removed by eBay", any DSRs left with that feedback remain.

When a feedback comment is removed, that is, deleted entirely, both the comment, the entry and all DSRs left with the comment, are also deleted.




Posted by on Jan-30-09 14:21 PST

SNAD Claims & Insurance

Any disputes for SNAD should be denied unless the insurance claim was rejected by the post office.

Will anyone consider adopting this policy (since the OP didn't actually pose this as a question)?

I could not agree more. And I'd add that would depend on why the claim was rejected. If it was because the post office determined the damage wasn't shipping related, and the listing shows the damage wasn't present already, the SNAD should be rejected too.

Even without rejecting the SNAD, just forcing the buyer to present the claim would end a big portion of the bogus SNAD claims on insured items. They'd want to think twice about presenting a fraudulent claim to the Post Office in person. No one thinks twice about submitting it to PayPal.

I have submitted the suggestion to the policy team for consideration




Posted by 58fender on Jan-30-09 14:38 PST

Ads on eBay

Griff, I like to follow up on this question previously asked, "I see eBay as a an advertising portal, a classified ads site, with links to everywhere and anywhere"

...why will buyers come to Ebay just to see advertising links?

They won't and they don't. They come to eBay to find the item(s) the want to buy. If they cannot, for whatever reason, find said item(s) on eBay, then they may find them through a sponsored link.

I'm just assuming this is Ebay's plan. I would like to see Ebay place the links below the pagination as it truly is distracting and confusing and has many times led me off the site. Thanks for your answer.

I will send a copy of your request regarding the links and pagination to the ad team.




Posted by pasthence on Jan-30-09 15:14 PST

Reader Jumps in with Answers (and that's OK btw!)

josiewayne on Jan-30-09 13:19 PST
Hello, can a seller accept money orders if buyer requests it?


Asked and answered several times already, answer is YES.

beautifulbb2u on Jan-30-09 14:04 PST
Is there any hope of sellers getting their true voices back and being able to leave neutral and negative feedback?

Why aren't chronic negative leaving buyers sanctioned or removed? Yet the sellers are instantly slapped as bad and forced to either dig out or leave?

Without sellers being able to leave less than positive FB ... well, it is near to impossible to see a bad/difficult buyer before it is too late.

Any future safeguards in the works for sellers against buyer abuse?

Please, please, please ~ give sellers back the full range of FB options.

Also asked and answered several times, ebay has no plans to change back to leaving negs and nuetrals for buyers.

beautifulbb2u on Jan-30-09 14:11 PST
In the rare instance when negative feedback is reversed (removed) why aren't the DSR ratios also set to the pre-neg numbers?

Also asked and answered, when feedback is removed, so are corresponding DSRs.


Just trying to help Griff out. We only get 50 new posts before the thread is locked again for Griff to answer. With such a short window of the thread being open, please people, take the time to read the previous messages posted by Griff before using our limited 50 posts per session for questions that have been (numerous times) asked and answered. Griff has even provided helpful underlined headers to do a quicker scan to find your question in previous threads.

Thank you, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

And thank you pasthence for your help and for posting the reminder!





Posted by labelsbynet on Jan-30-09 15:50 PST

eBay Awareness of This Thread

Hi Griff, Is anyone at ebay aware of the posts to you about the terrible customer service and the bhavior of the trust and safety reps towards sellers?

Yes. I have mentioned this many times previously.




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Posted by bscheffl2 on Jan-30-09 16:05 PST

Buyers Who Leave Negatives for Not Receiving Positive First

You responded earlier that a seller should leave feedback when a buyer pays for reasons which include, to avoid the risk of getting a negative from a buyer who was upset when the seller did not leave the positive feedback fast enough. By admitting this, you seem to me, to be saying that Ebay is aware that though optional, a seller risks negative consequences to their business and reputation by not leaving feedback quick enough. So, by virtue of the knowledge of this, for the seller, leaving a buyer feedback really is not optional. I am very confused by this. If feedback and DSRs are optional, how can a buyer be allowed to leave a negative for this?

How can anyone trust the integrity of the feedback system if sellers feel they are forced to leave feedback solely to avoid unjustified hits against their business, reputations, and profits. Isn't their feedback about how they are at selling the merchandise listed and not about catering to a buyer about feedback? Where is it in the buyer or seller agreement that a buyer has the right to expect and basically demand feedback? For a buyer or seller to do anything that influences the feedback system, outside of the reasons why it exists, to rate the actual transaction, compromises the entire system. When a buyer leaves a seller a negative solely over not leaving feedback fast enough, in reality it IS a tacit form of extortion. Any feedback extortion, through words or actions, should be addressed by Ebay- including this one. Any reference to feedback being left outside of clearly defined reasons, such as not abiding by the TOS, not receiving the item, etc., seems like something Ebay would want to address. Since so much relies on the feedback and DSR system, why not have clear acceptable guidelines for its use which include no insistence on it from either the seller or buyer? If a seller can not insist a buyer leave a certain feedback... or else (at this point not sure what or else could mean from the seller's perspective) then why is it acceptable from the buyer? Why would Ebay allow a good seller to be adversely effected, over an optional thing, when they claim the goal of the feedback and DSRs system is to weed out the ones who aren't? Thanks

Before reading this response, please keep in mind my earlier post about how to tell when I am speaking my own personal opinion and when I am speaking for eBay.

Personally, I tend to agree, using the similar logic: Since feedback is optional, sellers shouldn't fear recieving it because they didn't leave it.

I will be honest: I have provided my opinion on this to the rest of my team and the policy team. I cannot say if my opinion will sway policy so for now, my suggestion is to be practical and just leave feedback first for all buyer's once payment has been made and cleared. I have been advising this since 1996 and in my experience, it is a great way to show appreciation to your buyers. And, at least for now, it is the only option that provides the most effective protection against buyers who might be prone to leaving a negative for not receiving one first.




Posted by bscheffl2 on Jan-30-09 16:34 PST

More on Feedback First...

Sorry but in looking at Ebay's policies about feedback I need you to answer more questions about it.

I will do my best.

Ebay's Policy State, "It is a violation to exchange Feedback for the sole purpose of increasing your Feedback score to obtain site privileges or enhance your reputation." In the case of a seller leaving a buyer feedback to avoid a negative... its an exchange of feedback in reality. The seller is being influenced to leave a positive for the buyer (more feedback, higher a reputation), in exchange of not receiving a negative. Isn't the buyer's actions in the case..."an effort to enhance (their) reputation" and thus a violation?

The buyer is only expecting an honest acknowledgement that they have paid for their purchase. They are not looking to enhance their reputation beyond what is deserved. The application of this part of the policy is thus not clearly warranted.

Ebay's policy states, "Manipulation, misuse or any actions which undermine the integrity of the eBay Feedback system is prohibited." An example in the policy is, "Leaving or receiving Feedback including Detailed Seller Ratings (DSRs), where the Feedback’s primary value is to...artificially enhance a reputation rather than provide commentary and ratings on genuine transactional experience. How can Ebay say that a buyer's actions of insisting on feedback or leave the seller a negative, does not violate Ebay's feedback policy? Is it really a "genuine" commentary of the transaction?

The buyer who leaves a negative for not receiving a positive is making a comment reflecting his view of the transaction and specifically, his view of the level or quality of that seller's service and communication. A seller could argue that such an expectation on the part of the buyer is beyond what is obliged from the seller and thus shouldn't result in neative consequences. That might possibily be a more effective arguement against this activity.

Ebay's policy states, its a violation by "Offering to sell, buy, barter, or give away Feedback." By allowing a Buyer to hold negative feedback over a seller to receive a positive feedback is forcing the seller to "give away" feedback however involuntarily, and thus the seller is being forced to violate the feedback system when they do so, or suffer an assault on their reputation. How can Ebay stand behind negative feedback being left for sellers under the condition they leave a positive, when it seems a violation of Ebay policy? Thanks for the answers.

If a buyer informed a seller that they would leave negative if the seller didn't leave them a positive first, there might be a case for consideration as feedback extortion. But if a buyer leaves a negative without communicating a prior threat or demand, there is no offer to sell, by or barter feedback.

Prohibiting this activity on the basis of existing policy would be questionable at best. As I mentioned in my previous response, I believe it would take a rethinking and possible enhancement of the policy first - something I am not authorized to promise. In the meantime, the solution: leave feedback first after a buyer has paid. It's a show of good faith, a good business practice and it's practical.



Posted by career-closet-fashions on Jan-30-09 17:19 PST

eBay in 2009 and Beyond

I'm sure eBay has a business plan in place for the upcoming months and possibly years. My question is would it be possible for those business plans to be discussed with the sellers here so we can in turn work on our own business plans?

In the coming weeks, we will provide more information about what is planned for the year and beyond so that all our sellers can themselves effectively plan and prepare their businesses.




That's it for January. Tomorrow, late day, I will start a new thread for February. I thank everyone who as participated in this thread to date. Have a great weekend.

Griff

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Ask Griff - January 2008

Feb 2, 2009 2:49 PM
UPDATE:

Due to the Discussion Forums platform upgrade on Tuesday, I am delaying posting of a new thread for February until after the upgrade is complete (probably on Wednesday or Thursday).

In the meantime, feel free to email your questions to griff@ebay.com

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