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Applying power to electronic equipment?
Aug 30, 2012 07:04 AM

Is there a way to refuse the return of Electroninc Circuit Packs if they have had power applied?  Can we as sellers demand a second power applied test of high value circuit Packs from another source other than the buyer (I will pay for this second verification test)? This would verify the D.O.A. status buyer is stating, before a refund is granted.

There are many expensive components that can be havested (Replaced) on these processors. Or the buyer can improperly insert the device into their test apparatus.  Or they may even switch units etc.

I sell new circuit packs but cannot test new circuit packs before shipping.  If I send them out for power applied testing are they still considerd new?

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Applying power to electronic equipment?

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Applying power to electronic equipment?
Aug 30, 2012 07:04 AM

Is there a way to refuse the return of Electroninc Circuit Packs if they have had power applied?  Can we as sellers demand a second power applied test of high value circuit Packs from another source other than the buyer (I will pay for this second verification test)? This would verify the D.O.A. status buyer is stating, before a refund is granted.

There are many expensive components that can be havested (Replaced) on these processors. Or the buyer can improperly insert the device into their test apparatus.  Or they may even switch units etc.

I sell new circuit packs but cannot test new circuit packs before shipping.  If I send them out for power applied testing are they still considerd new?

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by derrenbrown01 (0) View Listings
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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Aug 30, 2012 12:35 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by Electronic Circuit Packs.  I am assuming you are asking about the items in your current listings.

 

I think that if there is someone devious enough to switch components and claim DOA you would have a hard time proving it (assuming you don't pre-check prior to shipping).  In reality, how many of this type are out there?  What would the cost be to have the item validated?  The cost of having this done might cut deep into your profits that it may be better to assume that 1 in x many sold items might come back as DOA.

 

If you have old items that are questionable you can check some of them yourself.  Fuses can be checked for an open circuit with a multimeter.  Contactors can be checked the same way.  The coil will have some amount of resistance.  The contacts can be checked too.  This can be done without applying power to a new item.

 

You may find it difficult to rely on the buyer to have the part validated.  Even if they are reimbursed or not.  Assume that the buyer is Joe Honest Guy and he puts the part in and it doesn't work.  No fault of his own or yours.  He may be angry because his machine is down, he's loosing money because he can't make his widget, and now you are asking him to go and prove that it was faulty before he sends it back.  It really would be asking more than anyone expects from a buyer.

 

Say you have an item like the PLC5 Processor you recently sold and it looks new, the terminals show no signs of being used, you've recorded the serial number and have pictures to validate it.  You have some proof against tampering.

 

As to power testing a component.  PLC processors, Variable Frequency Drives, Brake Controllers, and so on may work ok when  power is applied and still be faulty.  This may not show up until in running or in use under load.  Years ago we would conduct a burn in of the new components for 24 hours after a control panel was assembled.  If a component failed it would usually fail in that time period.  I'm not suggesting you do that.  What I am trying to get at is that you may encounter a failed component.  If and when it happens take it in stride and examine it when you get it back from the buyer.  If it shows signs of tampering, re-solder on the circuit board, arc spatter or carbon on the wire terminals (they disconnected a wire under power or worse), or anything suspicious then you may have a case.  It might be difficult to prove power tested or not.

 

Have a plan for when it happens so that you won't be driven by emotion.  It will help you can think clearly and respond professionally.

 

That's my 2 cents and I am sure that someone probably has some better advice who has already dealt with a suspicous return.

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Aug 31, 2012 07:33 AM

The Items i am reffering to are high value PLC processors. ($2k-$6K Ebay Value)

New unit was D.O.A. per buyer.  I have to take his word because I have do not have a chassis to test.  If I test it prior to listing, is it now a used processor?  I have to break factory seal to open package and contacts will show marking from edge connector insertion. 

I feel that selling new items is the best way to avoid bad parts, and unhappy customers.

In my case an agreement to refund 50% was reached. It would have been nice to know that the PLC Processor was in fact defective.  

For this to occur I would have had to refund 100% and then have third party test and then relist.

 

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Sep 1, 2012 12:55 PM

If the seller of an electronic item removes something from the box to verify that it works I do not consider that as used. Used I consider items that are sold then bought from a second party not the original seller.

 

I would actually be more willing to buy from a seller that states he has tested the item to verify its functions but no further usage was done, than one that sold an expensive item in the box sealed.

 

The reason is that items that are expensive can be very hard to return without a sales reciept and often you have to be the original purchaser. If the seller has tested the item that gives me piece of mind that it works and I will not be looking at a lengthy return process.

 

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Sep 4, 2012 05:20 AM

Hi Jeff,

 

I also found this on the discussion boards. 

 

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Seller-Central/Tested-Item-Before/5200097508?#msg5101304601

 

It looks like it may answer some of your questions in regard to claims from buyers may be wapping parts on you.

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Sep 4, 2012 01:41 PM

I read your link. It does have good info, thanks.  I am realizing how important pictures are for documenting the products we sell.

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
Mar 17, 2013 10:47 AM

I have a company that can do third party certification but it is expensive espically for small quanties.  Each chip type requires a test fixture and test program.  The hardest part for you is deciding what you want tested.  The test setup usually includes specified active cooling with temperature sensors at various points on the die package using specified thermal grease at a specified compression (controling thermal grease thickness is just too expensive to be practical). The range of tests go from just a basic functional test of a limited set of instructions to a slow (for thermal stabilazation) upper frequency dither sweep at max tempertaure.  As electrical noise on the die can be critical the exact sequence of instructions in each pipline makes all the difference.  Single nonreproducable failures from cosmic rays and as temp gradents across the die change are a consideration.  As the manufactures (Intel, AMD, etc.) will not release critical path data this requires trial and error.  One trick is to take the die that takes the max power and do all the initial testing on it then use the worst case test program on all the others.  The considerations and cost never end.

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Re: Applying power to electronic equipment?
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