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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 10:42 AM
If I take the average of July-Aug-Sep and compare to Oct, then I am up 9.7%.
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alssoftware
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 11:29 AM
Assuming your site(s) follows normal retail cycles, this isn't a valid approach for evaluating QCP. You're mixing the seasonal increase in sales into the calc and then attributing it to QCP. Likewise in Jan-Feb you'll be blaming QCP for a decrease in sales.

Compare your winning bid revenue for this month to the prior three months. If they are the same, you can use this method, but most sites will probably see increased sales in October. That's the seasonal effect and has nothing to do with QCP.

To determine the QCP effect, estimate this month's earnings under the old method and then compare that to your payout.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 12:03 PM
Up 20% compared to the previous payout model.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 12:40 PM
I made @ 50% more than last month.
I sold a fair bit more gear than last month though. More luck than judgement and not seasonal.

I am happy with that, but, seeing the epc fluctuating day by day is scary stuff.

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Steve
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 1:08 PM
Thanks for the replies thus far!

alssoftware - my sites aren't as seasonally biased as some but
I do understand what you are saying. I had already estimated what
I would have earned in October under the old system and it was
within £100 of the average of the three months. It wouldn't have
therefore made much difference to the percentage increase.

Thanks

Steve
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budowar
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 1:59 PM
I am down 5% compared to the old payout method. I was down 20% during the preview . I was also down 20% the first half of October but revenue kept creeping up. I have made no changes to any ads yet.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 2:18 PM
Compared to the old system I'm up 55% for October.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 2:29 PM
No offense gang, but I don't trust how anyone is going to evaluate what they are "earning" today as compared to the old method. You might not be including ACRUs from the old model and so on. I think a more appropriate thing to look at would be your Earnings % as compared to your WBR. We all were paid the same way under CPA based on the old % tier system which makes that a more legit method of comparison in my mind. So divide your Earnings by your WBR to get the result.

With that in mind I used to be at the 60% threshold and for the month of OCT under QCP my Earnings were 54.86% of my WBR. So -5.14%.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 3:34 PM
With that in mind I used to be at the 60% threshold and for the month of OCT under QCP my Earnings were 54.86% of my WBR. So -5.14%.


Why would you only take a subset of your prior earnings and compare it to QCP?

QCP includes ACRUs and other factors, so they should be included. Excluding ACRUs from the old calc drives up the relative performance numbers of QCP.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 4:05 PM
First, it isn't a subset unless your business model was strictly ACRUs. It was the primary revenue driver for most affiliates.

Second, show me one affiliate here that sees ACRUs in October impacting QCP revenues at all. I have yet to see one person state that ACRUs one day have proven to provide higher EPC the following days or weeks. I for one see no shift in higher EPC as a result of the few ACRUs I get. Personally I look at what I get as if I'm not being paid for ACRUs at all - which is exactly what it feels like.

And third, I said I simply don't trust anyone to properly calculate what they used to earn with CPA as compared to what they are earning today - let alone have everyone above use the same metrics to come up with that %.

Like burlfield says above. He made 50% more than last month, but he also says he sold more. So what's 50% really mean if you want to compare that to where you fell? That's why I'm saying you cannot look at these %'s people are stating and trust each person is calculating their % using the same method.

And you also said WBR is the measuring stick of comparison to past months. Sure, if I go by the old CPA method I'm really down just over 8%, but I'd prefer to look at something that is consistent and tangible, and can be compared more directly to most other affiliates.

When someone says they are up 47% like the OP, does that mean that they used to be at the 50% threshold and used to make $400/month in earnings? That would mean they are now making $588 in an identical month's WBR. Personally I'd rather hear that they are now making 73.5% of their WBR rather than 50%. Even if that includes a few ACRUs it is not going to skew the results that much.

So if you'd like, I'll restate what I said:

With that in mind I used to be at the 60% threshold and for the month of OCT under QCP my Earnings were 54.86% of my WBR. So -5.14%. I also had 8 ACRUs in October.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM
First, it isn't a subset unless your business model was strictly ACRUs. It was the primary revenue driver for most affiliates.


This is a problem if QCP includes ACRUs, which it does. If half your revenue was from ACRUs, you'd be comparing 50% to 100%. 10% ACRUs, you'd be comparing 90% to 100%. Since you have no way to take them out of QCP, you're overstating QCP's performance a bit for each ACRU you exclude.


Second, show me one affiliate here that sees ACRUs in October impacting QCP revenues at all. I have yet to see one person state that ACRUs one day have proven to provide higher EPC the following days or weeks. I for one see no shift in higher EPC as a result of the few ACRUs I get. Personally I look at what I get as if I'm not being paid for ACRUs at all - which is exactly what it feels like.


There have been a couple threads about the QCP drops associated with ACRUs. And comments that they were made up for in the following days. Link



And third, I said I simply don't trust anyone to properly calculate what they used to earn with CPA as compared to what they are earning today - let alone have everyone above use the same metrics to come up with that %.

Like burlfield says above. He made 50% more than last month, but he also says he sold more. So what's 50% really mean if you want to compare that to where you fell? That's why I'm saying you cannot look at these %'s people are stating and trust each person is calculating their % using the same method.

Well, I made that point earlier in the thread. You can't compare this month to last month. But that's not what I suggested. I suggested comparing this month to this month. It's simple enough with the detailed report.

ACRUS*28+WBR*.55 = Old revenue
or
ACRUS*40+WBR*.60 = Old revenue

Just sub in your actual ACRU and WBR values for October, change the ACRU payout to whatever was typical and the revenue factor to whatever old system tier you are in.


When someone says they are up 47% like the OP, does that mean that they used to be at the 50% threshold and used to make $400/month in earnings?


Right like I said in my first post, the numbers have to be somewhat consistent to do a comparison. You have to compare relative to your own payout under the old system - they're the only numbers you can reliable consider to be similar in nature to your current traffic. How are you going to compare yourself to other affiliates in a quality system when you have no idea what they are selling or how they are targeting?

But, I think the general question here is how does our performance against the old system compare not how are affiliates doing against each other.

Though I'd certainly be interested in hearing details about what isn't working and what is.

I'm up overall, but a few of my campaigns are completely trashed even though the traffic is handled the same way as others with the same targeting techniques. How can I know if all my campaigns don't contain some level of trashed data. There's no way to determine that, no way to minimize, and no decent stats. All you can do is throw a tactic out and see if it has any effect, and even then you don't know if it's seasonal, some change on the back end or an actual improvement.
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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 2, 2009 4:39 AM
IMO, obsessing over the amount per click being paid is preventing people from seeing the real data.

If you want to compare your earnings to the old system, or to other major affiliate programs, you simply take your Gross Merchandise Bought (GMB), divide it by your total earnings and multiply by 100 to get the percentage.

Simple and accurate to get the overall "big" picture without all the assumptions and guesswork over details.

For example, I can easily see that I am being paid less now than I was under the old system, but I'm still being paid more than I would have made for the same amount of sales on Amazon.


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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 2, 2009 4:43 AM
...so if you guys want to compare earning differences between September and October with each other, just post the % of GMB you were paid for each month and don't worry about the actual dollar amount.


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Re: 1st Month Of QCP Earnings - Your Views

Nov 2, 2009 6:23 AM
Under QCP, I am being paid about 3% less than the overall average under the old program.

If you look at it by just the month of October, I'm actually up about 30% over the old method but if you do the math as Onelung posted, I'm really down compared to the % of overall merchandise bought.

At that percentage level, without the acru bonus, the only thing the program has going for it now for me is the vast selection of items. Other than that, the payout is no better and in some cases much less than other true commission based programs that are available.

Adsense if paying more on a per click basis than eBay at this point.
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