#1 ePN

#2 Rule abiding ePN affiliates

#1 plus #2 equals everyone that matters.

OK, so they get somewhere shortterm but in the long run it will be their downfall.

epn will get less innovation and then get overtaken by the flexible innovating sites.

Users will be fine for a while, but their "I'm not breaking the rules so I'm ok" and not standing up when they come for their partner neighbours will see them on the floor too.

Are you really the owner of your username .com and its associated sites?

.com and .eu is me.

What's so cookie stuffing about it? - My epn account was banned for framing stuff, but it's not linked to this ebay account and they didn't say where that was.
I guess I just find the EPN urls of the nastier types on this tread and use them over my pages and see who gets banned first.
(joke btw)

These are used mainly to mislead people and/or cheat the system.

Exactly... the rules are there for a reason, so that people aren't "cheating" the system.
So if you aren't cheating the system, or obviously don't have the intention to, but are breaking the rules you expect that you might get a bit of warning or humanity.
no-one gets anywhere enforcing rules for rules sake.

auralangels,

Are you really the owner of your username .com and its associated sites? Or are you just outing a cookie stuffer for the benefit of the whole affiliate community?

> Exactly my point-
> Whilst you are forgiving for such mistakes and point out where the error was made and how it could be corrected, epn see a violation, assume it's made by the account owner then ban & discommunicate.

You yourself stated that You did not read the rules. There is a difference is misspeaking and doing something that is against the rules that you agreed to follow.

The one stated in your termination letter is not a beginner's mistake as most beginners would have no clue as to how to implement -

Misdirection, Redirection and Framing

These are used mainly to mislead people and/or cheat the system.

As to the Google violation. That too is used in the same manner. And no -

I think these big companies just have too many people with non-jobs filling up time making up rules for other non-jobbers to fill up their time policing them - keeps them busy but it's the techies and small business people that pay the price!

It was written to protect Google and the advertisers from people exploiting the system.

Happens to us all.

Exactly my point-
Whilst you are forgiving for such mistakes and point out where the error was made and how it could be corrected, epn see a violation, assume it's made by the account owner then ban & discommunicate.

> Uhm they probably do, but being in the tech industry for going on 16 years I should have been a lot quicker to catch that before I responded. Happens to us all. IT full/part-time since late 70's......

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Don't beat yourself up too much. A lot of people get confused with the terminology. But it is an important distinction when reading the TOS and COC.

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Methinks you don't know the difference between an address bar and a task bar.

I know the difference, so the rule can only be interpreted one way.

  
 > As stated in the ePN Code of Conduct section (B), these practices are prohibited.   
 > (B) Misdirection, Redirection and Framing-   
 >   
 > You will not make any representations, either express or implied, or otherwise create an appearance that a visitor to your  
 > website and/or Promotional Content is visiting Participating Sites and Content, 
 >  for example, by framing or wrapping a site in any manner, without the express written permission of ePN or the Advertiser.  
 The URLs your Links direct to will appear in the address line of the browser.  
 > You will not attempt by any means to intercept or redirect traffic from or on, or divert compensation from, Participating Sites and Content or any other Affiliate. 

I think it would be very helpful if we built a "best practices" or knowledge base on the intent of each clause of the partner agreement so that others can reference it.

Frames are a very common programming technique. eBay uses frames for their listing descriptions.

This framing rule is to prevent sites, like Digital Point forum, from overwriting other affilate's cookies. You could force the ePN cookies on all of your visitors' browsers by using an iframe. Another reason they don't want sites to frame eBay pages is because of security. Users could get tricked into logging into a bogus site.

Another confusing part of that statement, "The URLs your Links direct to will appear in the address line of the browser.", means that you cannot show a cloaked URL (fake URL) in the browser bar. This does not mean that you have to show the rover link.

Commonly, affiliates use a redirect file to add the rover link before sending the user to eBay. This was technique was born out of neccessity because the rover links changed 2 times within a year. It makes sense to keep all rover link info in 1 file for maintenance purposes.

auralangels - You should change the parts of your site that you suspect are the problem and post here to get feedback.

Once you are sure you comply with the intent of the T&Cs, contact ePN for reconsideration. Above all, do your homework before contacting ePN so it's easy for them to help you.

I'm sorry to hear that you were both booted from the program.

It is hard for me to believe that you would expect to be paid by any business for a specific service, when you weren't willing to take the time to find out what that service actually entailed. Ebay expects you to comply with their terms, in turn, they will pay you in accordance with those same terms (which is what you agreed to). You also agreed that they would end your agreement if you didn't do your part. A very simple and straight forward contract.

At the end of the day, you would expect EPN to live up to the letter of the contract too, wouldn't you?

When you applied for ePN what business model did you pick?

If you ain't gonna read what I wrote I ain't gonna waste my limited daily posts on ya!

Treated like what?

Like I said... It's the equivalent of execution without charge, trial or evidence.

do you think thier going to say it's ok when you defualt on the loan

It's "they're" and "default" - see I can be unnecessarily picky and nasty too.

If you bought a car on credit and somewhere in the small print it says in lawyerspeak that you can't drive it on a full moon - you're not sure if you have, but they say you have and so come and take it back without warning when you're due to go on holiday the next day-

do you think that's reasonable?

BUT you do hit upon the crux of the problem there.
If the loan company fails to get a payment, they don't automatically assume it's your fault and they don't instantly send the repo man.
You get informed of the problem and given the opportunity to find the fault and resolve it. They have to do this by law.

If you say the boards are full of posts like this, doesn't it suggest that this is something they can take on board and make their processes better, which in turn would mean more money and less hassle for them!
Each post is a user who isn't referring users and so isn't earning ebay their fees.

You may be correct with your constructive lesson, although maybe I'd say...
"here is a lesson for those that are thinking of signing up to ebay, epn or paypal - plan to be barred if you (or someone using your ID) breaks the letter of the terms as they'll bar you without warning and not reply to emails for at least 30 hours (and counting...)"
As I said in another thread, I had this happen a few years back when I was a powerseller (well, working for a company who was - I'm not breaking rules with accounts if you wondered!) and that time was fraud against us - but it still took 2 weeks to find out why the account was banned and over a month to get it back so I was quite shocked to find that things haven't changed.