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Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks

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Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 12, 2012 02:19 PM

I am not a massive epn user by no means but i do use it on certain sites as an affiliate, i have used epn for a few years now and over the last few months the pattern is always the same i get clicks and earnings on a daily basis  for the first 7 days of the month and then from day 8 to day 13 i get clicks and no earnings then from day 13 to day 27 clicks and earnings again then from day 27 to day 30 or 31 i get clicks with no earnings again this has happened now for 2 months has anybody else experianced this issue ???

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Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks

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Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 12, 2012 02:19 PM

I am not a massive epn user by no means but i do use it on certain sites as an affiliate, i have used epn for a few years now and over the last few months the pattern is always the same i get clicks and earnings on a daily basis  for the first 7 days of the month and then from day 8 to day 13 i get clicks and no earnings then from day 13 to day 27 clicks and earnings again then from day 27 to day 30 or 31 i get clicks with no earnings again this has happened now for 2 months has anybody else experianced this issue ???

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by darkdesiresemporiu.. (113 ) View Listings
(1 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 12, 2012 05:20 PM

Run a detailed report for eBay and look at WBR.


(2 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 12, 2012 08:26 PM

First, look at your clicks and do they come from organic visits to your website. In example, do you get many visits from people who are searching and finding your website? I use Google Analytics for that measure.

 

Second, do people sign up and register at ebay via links on your sights. In the reports it's called ACRU. If people click though to ebay on your site, and sign up, and the faster they purchase something the better quality the click through and the better your earnings.

 

Third, what tools do you use? Ebay banner ads can create a lot of impressions but not the same clicks and this is measured against your quality click throughs.

 

Also, what's you EPC and what type of sites do you run? Are your sites full of relevant and orginal content with ebay ads for that particular content or is it a software download site, etc.?

 

A little more info can go a long was in some of us helping you to narrow down the issue.

(3 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 12, 2012 09:15 PM

I'm over here now.

 

First, look at your clicks and do they come from organic visits to your website. In example, do you get many visits from people who are searching and finding your website? I use Google Analytics for that measure.

 

You'd have to have event tracking/outclick tracking enabled to see that. Did you mean visitors/hits?

 

Second, do people sign up and register at ebay via links on your sights. In the reports it's called ACRU.

 

It's actually called CRU.  If they buy something it's called ACRU.

 

If people click though to ebay on your site, and sign up, and the faster they purchase something the better quality the click through and the better your earnings.

 

Signup at your site is not required. Existing eBay users do just fine.

 

Third, what tools do you use? Ebay banner ads can create a lot of impressions but not the same clicks and this is measured against your quality click throughs.

 

It hasn't been admitted to that impressions are relevant to QCP and eBay has said otherwise. Banner tend not to get clicks because people ignore them. Bots love 'em.

 

Also, what's you EPC and what type of sites do you run?

 

EPC is a poor measure of quality. Bots can easily skew EPC.

 

::: poof ::::

 

 


(4 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 04:35 AM

If you have less than 50 clicks a day then you are in the pool and getting paid the pool EPC (usually we have seen that to be around .13). If you're own EPC would have been less than that then the algoritym has to adjust and correct for over paying you the first 7 days. As been stated many times on this forum that there is a pool (actually I see two as I have many campaigns from the beginning and I am over 50 clicks a day and my campaigns are pooled based on my WBR and clicks). Look at your earnings for the month and if you have ACRUs in your report (have to run it for eBay only) subtract $25 for each. Take WBR and divide it by that and if you are higher than 55-65% then the algorithym is adjusting your earnings to get back in line with what is due to you.


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(5 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 07:16 AM

You'd have to have event tracking/outclick tracking enabled to see that. Did you mean visitors/hits?

 

No. I can look at traffic sources in analytics and see how many visits came from organic key word or key word phrases to my website. Very important measure since people who actually do a SE search and visit your site for your exact content are most likely to make purchases or click relevant ads.

 

It's actually called CRU.  If they buy something it's called ACRU.

 

Yes, you're correct, but I wanted them to look at ACRUs because that's a metric for determing earnings.

 

Signup at your site is not required. Existing eBay users do just fine.

 

I didn't say it was required but that's the best way to increase or check you quality of traffic you send to ebay and you earn the most from a sign up and an immediate purchase, of an item you promoted on your website.

 

Check the link you posted for me in the other thread.

 

It hasn't been admitted to that impressions are relevant to QCP and eBay has said otherwise. Banner tend not to get clicks because people ignore them. Bots love 'em.

 

Visit your dashboard, go to Help, then User Manual, go to pricing, the quality click pricing. You will see that impressions are listed. It's still part of the measure no matter what anyone admits, it states so in the User Manual.

 

Also, I understand ad blindness, basic SEO. I rarely use banner ads. I love text links.

 

EPC is a poor measure of quality. Bots can easily skew EPC.

 

Hense the reason to check all the above I mentioned first. I even posted a thread on bot attacks and how I prevented mine. I was hit by bots many times and know exactly what can happen to earnings.

 

Poof? I am not here to joust with you. I dont have a fragile ego and this isn't the place for a display of ego. I am sorry that you're making it into that.

 

We're all just trying to make the best of something we don't completely understand since all the details are not privy to us.

 

We're here to discuss, help or ask questions, and that's the only reason I post on this forum.

 

So let's keep this out of the realm of emotions. Please. I am asking this as a kind and civil human being. I might have a lot to learn but I have a lot to offer newbies, and that's all this is to me.

 

(6 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 09:05 AM

No. I can look at traffic sources in analytics and see how many visits came from organic key word or key word phrases to my website.

 

That is visits/hits not clicks.

In this EPN context and analytics in general, clicks generally refers to outclicks from your site. You have to enable event tracking to see them.

 

I didn't say it was required but that's the best way to increase or check

 

If people click though to ebay on your site, and sign up, and the faster they purchase something the better quality the click through and the better your earnings.

 

I was clarifying. When you ran it all together it could sound like you have to sign them up to get paid.

 

 

You will see that impressions are listed. It's still part of the measure no matter what anyone admits, it states so in the User Manual.

 

Not to state the obvious but that same sentence says number of bids too.

 

Nevertheless, in the past, eBay has denied that impressions are factored in. (can't find a reference for it) And they don't require impression pixels, though they recommend them.

 

Impressions do tie tightly to earnings in my experience. But testing indicates that increasing impressions doesn't affect QCP, at least not directly. Though some deeper analysis may be in play at the very least unique impressions.

 

 

Poof?

 

You're projecting/misunderstanding again. Colons are often used on the Internet/chat/email to denote an action.

 

:::poof::: was just me disappearing again...

 

 

 

and we don't really need a lecture/explanation about how the world should work and how everyone should act with every post.

 

 


(7 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 09:17 AM

Visit your dashboard, go to Help, then User Manual, go to pricing, the quality click pricing. You will see that impressions are listed. It's still part of the measure no matter what anyone admits, it states so in the User Manual.

 

I have 19,075 clicks month to date right now. Guess how many impressions I have? Two...... and I can't figure for the life of me where they came from. Bugs the crap out of me too.

(8 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 09:20 AM

That was me.

 

You're welcome.


(9 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 09:42 AM

(10 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 10:08 AM

When I refer to organic clicks, I was directing the OP to look outside EPN for a possible problem with visitors not being organic and less likely to buy the items they're promoting.

 

I didn't mean to imply this had anything to do with EPN directly.

 

I agree bids help, stated that before, but ebay doesn't earn money per bid. The entire reason for this discussion.

 

Sorry that I misunderstood "poof" I am not up on the chat lingo.

 

In addition, I am not lecturing on how everyone should act on every post. It was a misunderstanding on my part about your disappearing again reference, and not on how you should reply to anyone else.

 

I am just trying to stay civil and encouraging such. I have been party to some discussions that went off the deep end and became rude and spiteful. I just didn't want to go there with anyone.

(11 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 10:11 AM

Understood, obviously if you don't have impressions or very little then impressions wouldn't apply. I was just referring to what the User Manual states.

 

(12 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 13, 2012 03:03 PM

Thanks for all the information  appreciated

(13 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 19, 2012 10:13 PM

Nevertheless, in the past, eBay has denied that impressions are factored in. (can't find a reference for it)

 

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Ebay-Partner-Network/Of-Impressions-Effect/510271538

 

 

 

 

 


(14 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 22, 2012 03:19 AM

I need to check at end of month my clicks etc to see if the pattern is the same every month on the same as at the moment it looks like it is repeating itself on the days where i am getting no earnings for my  clicks,i totaly understand that not everyone is going to buy from my link just a little anoying that the same pattern emerges and strange thing is that the earnings are not to far apart either each month.

(15 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 25, 2012 05:50 AM

just a quick update over past 5 days over 200 clicks but no epc showing and no earnings 5 days previous  190 clicks epc betweem 0.20 and 0.16 and  £17 earnings  still not convinced all being tracked properly

(16 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 25, 2012 02:38 PM

just a quick update over past 5 days over 200 clicks but no epc showing and no earnings 5 days previous  190 clicks epc betweem 0.20 and 0.16 and  £17 earnings  still not convinced all being tracked properly

As stated earlier what is your Month to date Winning Bid Revenue divided by Clicks? Above 75-85% with no ACRUs then the algorithm is adjusting to having over paid earlier in the month. Have you had any WBR the last five days? No WBR then there is nothing much to pay you for. Unless you have steady days of clicks and WBR then the algorithm has to adjust what it pays. If your WBR/Clicks for several days is less the .005 then your EPC will be zero also. The algorithm seems to take longer to recover from going to an EPC of zero than if it has over paid you. Looking at EPC on a daily basis will drive you nuts unless you are a steady with all things connected to the algorithm.


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(17 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jun 25, 2012 02:46 PM

just a quick update over past 5 days over 200 clicks but no epc showing and no earnings 5 days previous  190 clicks epc betweem 0.20 and 0.16 and  £17 earnings  still not convinced all being tracked properly

Also forgot to add about the 'pool'. Until a campaign/account generates more than 50 (some say 100) then you are paid the 'pool' rate which may be lower or higher than what you would be paid. So the algorithm has to adjust what you get paid. So in your case I would say that your earnings are lower than what the 'pool' rate times your clicks is giving you so the algorithm has to stop paying you until it gets your earnings back to where they should be. Accounts/campaigns paid the 'pool' rate that is higher than is warranted tend to go to zero and take longer to adjust as there is usually less to work with.


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(18 of 18)
Re: Strange pattern emerging on EPN Clicks
Jul 1, 2012 10:50 AM

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