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oldspartantrader
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An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 1:39 AM
I got up this morning -- as is the norm -- To go drop a line for an hour or two at th local mud hole -- As is the norm

While waiting for my Son In Law -- As is the norm -- I looked at emails

An eBAY survey was waiting there --

Now it is not often that I complete a survey -- Normally I assign the task to one of our bright young stars -- I pull a work schedule - Pin it to the walll - and toss darts until -- At Last one actually finds it way into the 11 by 17 inch green bar paper and punctures somebody's name.

I am very careful to have only bright young star names on this list -- the twosome and I had a series of meetings to decide just which of our part time high school helpers would qualify for the special list of bright young star eBAY survey takers. It was a tortuous process that left out some who likely deserved the title -- and maybe included one or two who could be perhaps viewed as questionable. But in the end we arrived at the list we use -- We are satisfied that they are bright young stars at the least in the making. They can all pronounce three syllable words and some even know what a few two syllable words mean without asking for clues --- We have a committee of eBAY survey clue givers to ensure that the bright young stars will not be clueless when embarking on the journey through one of these surveys.

This morning as I applied two sided tape to the back of the Bright Young Star roster I noticed that there were already THREE names that had been punctured -- The schedule is posted on Saturdays so that means that this is survey number 4 this week. The current Bright Young Star schedule was beginning to look the reticulated hood of a 57 Chevy it seemed, and I thanked the Lord of the weekly schedule that we would have a new one to double tape to the wall in another day. This one was looking alot like an excuse from the days my younglins were more directly under my thumb -- You know full of holes.

After reflecting for a bit on the state of the Bright Young Star schedule I decided not risk further damage to it. We never know when one of the Bright Young Stars will think we are a bit dim -- They will not come to work and offer the excuse that they were unaware they were on the schedule. I thought at this time, in view of the reticulation, that the Bright Young Star schedule should be preserved in case we needed to prove that they were indeed derelict at the worse and illiterate at the best.

So I did this survey while in wait of my running late -- as is the usual -- Son In Law.

It always disturbs me that he is late for these occassional outings by the way --- He asks to be included -- and his tardiness makes me wonder -- Does he think it necessary to humor me with an impression that he prefers my company in the early mornings over the company of half the terrible twosome -- or -- Did he forget to set an alarm clock -- Perhaps he thinks I should not be left unattended so early in the morning -- or is he off the side of the road in a ditch with four wheels pointed to the moon -- BUT -- I digress

This survey took 20 minutes --- It covered astronomy -- It questioned the value I put on store format -- It covered FP and it touched auctions.

The survey left me with the impression that stores are in for some serious changes -- or are at the least being reviewed for serious change. It also left me with a feeling that FB will be undergoing an overhaul

Nothing concrete -- and it is of course just a survey, one of many of late -- BUT

Carl
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 1:54 AM
Carl,

Interesting that you think stores may be in for some changes. I am expecting to see store changes probably in 2010......perhaps significant changes.....again, I think that stores have been left largely unchanged while eBay worked on the "fundamentals" (Best Match, feedback, etc)

I figured we must be getting pretty close to "overhaul stores" on eBay's To Do list....

I wonder if they are going to consider my suggestion for an ebay-Prostore sort of hybrid. It would make sense, especially if eBay eliminates the current Store Format Listing in favor of FP30, as the current SIC test suggests is a possibility..
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 1:59 AM
IPT --

I think so too

Carl
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 4:47 AM
I see so much analysis among a few regular boardies in store forums about "possible" things to come.

My question is: Has Ebay every instituted a change on the UK site that DIDN'T eventually make it to .com in at least a very similar form?

Seems to me, pretty much every single change UK sellers on the UK site has had to endure since Donahoe took over as CEO eventually became a reality here on .com. Am I wrong?

And, it seems every change that has been implemented on UK, was said by the collective masses of U.S. sellers that those changes wouldn't fly on .com, BUT, Ebay implemented the same, or very similar changes here anyway....from Paypal fund holds for sellers with less than 100 sales, Paypal 10% float fund holds for certain sellers based on paypal determined seller, sales volume & product criteria, Best Match1 &2, SIS in core, SIS not in core, listing & fvf changes, elimination of most listing upgrades, elimination of seller's ability to indicate in listing acceptance of paper payments, capped shipping in certain categories, current feedback system, Adcommerce, advertising of offsite retailers, cross promotion adverts of other sellers appearing in listings (both active and closed) etc.....

While not all those changes were proven effective, some of which have already been revamped since implementation, the fact is........ Ebay did/has pretty much implemented every change that was first tried and tested on .uk site.

IMO, the last round of changes Ebay implemented on UK for stores is more than likely to most "probable" outcome for stores on .com, which includes:
1) Elimination of store inventory format (bye-bye 3 cent listing fees)
2) All store listing in core as FP30 or GTC at a MUCH MUCH higher cost per listing.
3) Bulk of SIS buried in core getting little to no real exposure or real benefit in being in core despite 1000% increase in listing fees converting from non core
4) Monthly store subscription prices increased considerably
5) End result...Ebay makes a fortune in failure revenue and sellers with stores gain very little REAL sales traction due to core being flooded with listings and much of that store inventory being buried for almost the entire 30 day duration (especially in categories that already have many 1000s to hundreds of thousands of core listings.)
6) Average seller realizes modest rise in core sales, but not enough to cover added cost of converting all listings from 3 cent store inventory to much higher priced core listings & getting limited core exposure. Thus net GMV profits shrink for most sellers in most categories while Ebay's makes it's fortunes on failure revenue.


That appears to be the current state of UK stores, and IMO is the scenario here soon. IF Ebay has a similar structure as the current UK store model, the only sellers who may ultimately benefit in the long run are those sellers that list mainly in categories that currently have very few active listings in core.

Rob
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 5:28 AM
I have just about quit doing the surveys. I can't really give them my opinion as they channel your options the way they want you to go.

I think stores will go away and along with them the long tail items that ebay doesn't want anyway. Takes too much server space. Unless you are selling really hot items look for ebays percentage of your sales to go up. They actually want it all. LOL.

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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 5:48 AM
Just because I had nothing better to do I just filled out the last one they sent to me. You are right diesel, the survey is designed to get the answers they want.

A lot of how much do you like or dislike some feature when in real life you don't think they should have it at all.

One page I remember...only pick three things you are unhappy about...well, fees, changes, and the feedback system. Like that should be news to them?
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 6:04 AM
Hi Mini,

How are things going in Tn?

I think ebay doesn't really want to hear about the mega seller special deals the ppc ads and the messed up search. The constant changes and all to the detriment of small to medium sellers.

I have moved to my websites and am having respectable sales there. Closing ebay store has given me an enormous ammt of time for more productive endeavors. We are moving into the new shop bldg that we built this year. Don't know what to do with all the space but in a couple of years I will be crowded up again probably. My hands are a magnet for more junk LOL.

billphil.

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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 6:30 AM
Closing ebay store has given me an enormous ammt of time for more productive endeavors.

Certainly now with 30FP many sellers have found better sucess in the Core, so closing an eBay store is not all bad news all the time
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 6:58 AM
Speaking of sudden changes in the 4th quarter...Monday they will do away with the stores box on the left side of core search results. I depended on that.

The last six to eight weeks of the year are always my worst selling time...as is traditional in my little industry. By accident they have timed this change convienently for me.

Things are going splendidly in TN diesel. I love it here. I've been here about 11 months but I feel like I've lived here forever. I never felt that way about the 11 years I spent in Florida.

I don't think closing the store is a bad thing at all either discount...what has REALLY pi$$ed me off is this sudden announcement...especially as it is passed off as an improvement in buyer experience. BS
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 7:34 AM
Well I posted this back in July,

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So its no surprise, I think ive commented enough on this subject but...

I just wanted to say Carl that I read this opening line..

" got up this morning -- as is the norm -- To go drop a line for an hour or two at th local mud hole -- As is the norm "

And I think im going to be happy all day just thinking about it. Its like the perfect opening to a book on what life is about.

Good for you. :)

Marty
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oldspartantrader
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 7:57 AM
DCSBODY

Yep --- I agree -- eBAY will implement what eBAY wants to implement -- and

Personally I rarely take issue because I know they will do what they may

The value of the survey is not in the use to eBAY -- The value is the use to me --- Because I know that ALL major entities word these written sessions in such a way that they will be able to use the results to head where they wish --

That is the value -- An inkling (admittedly without specifics) -- of upcoming changes that may or may not impact us.

As I said -- We find them to have value -- For us

Carl
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 8:07 AM
Yepper Marty -- It is the way to start the day --

We paddled about for about 90 minutes in the canoie -- in the rain -- in the cold fall wind -- BUT --

We were rewarded with a few small land lock salmon -- a rainbow - and my Dinner --

A lovely 3 pound Brown that is already filleted and immersed in a special marinade of beer - lemon - shallots -- and some various and sundry herbs that change from one month to the next. Tonite I will surround the pink flesh with thinly sliced tomatoes sprinkled with Romano Cheese and a dab of butter, onions, and MAYBE a slice or two of peppers. A side of steamed brown rice and cauliflower and a nice tall Pilsner Glass of pretty fresh Sweet Brown Ale (no aromatic hops in the brewing process.

A good beginning to the day deserves a find ending too !!!!

Carl
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 8:20 AM
We must have gotten different surveys as I didn't get the impression about stores... although, I've thought the hand writing was on the wall for stores for a while.

I did however get to speak my mind a little and send a few hints that it's time for some stability on the ebay platform.

What scares me the most is that I'm not sure that the message I was trying to send will get mis-interupted.

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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 8:20 AM
Jeeze....I wish I was having dinner at Carl's house.
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Re: An eBAY Survey

Nov 6, 2009 9:13 AM
Hey, Carl, does your son-in-law's name happen to be Norm? :o)

Taking his clue from the Greek philosopher Hericlitus I believe it was Issac Asimov who said, "The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today." What did he know about eBay that we don't?


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