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Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
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Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Nov 20, 2003 10:40 AM
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Here is my latest checklist for you folks: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scam. Always consider every escrow company to be fraudulent until you have checked them out and proven them to be real. Do not use a seller's positive feedback to gauge their honesty! Too many of you are using the wrong criteria to determine someone’s honesty on eBay. The eBay feedback system was great in its day, and might still be ok to use for books, CDs, DVDs, etc., but not for big ticket items. It is not foolproof, and I no longer trust a person's feedback as proof of their honesty. Thanks to eBay account hijacking, it might no longer be that person with great feedback that you are dealing with. Avoid dealing with sellers who end auctions early, yet continue to strike a deal with you via email. Remember, you are now outside the protection of eBay and it's internal escrow. You should always be suspicious when a seller ends an auction early. There's no legit reason to. A legitimate escrow site would NEVER send you an email telling you to either send your money or or your product to the other party. The transaction is only tracked online, and never through insecure emails. But too many victims do as they are told. If you get an email "from eBay" where eBay tells you to send money via Western Union, it is a fraud. eBay would never in a million years tell you to use Western Union to pay for auctions, in fact, they warn you against it. What you got is known as a Phishing email from the scammer. Do a Google search on the escrow's web site. Legit escrows have lots of Google results. Fake ones will have one search result, or usually none. Look for complaints other victims have posted online. If they address you as "Dear Sir", it's probably a scam, because they are using pre-written response templates. Why don't they say something like "Jeff, let's go ahead with the deal". DO NOT deal with any eBay "Seller" who contacts you after seeing you bid on another auction!!! Another "seller" contacts you through your bid and says "hey Mr. Sucker, I saw you bidding on that camera. I have the same Camera, with more accessories up for sale for $800 less, I don't even have time to list it on eBay yet. I need to unload it soon, I just got laid off, my loss, your gain, if you want it, we can do the deal through xxxxxxxxxx escrow site. If you are the seller in an auction and send an expensive product through an escrow, you should ALWAYS require a signature for delivery. Do not deal with an escrow company unless you absolutely verify they are at least 4 years old through Division Of Corporation lookup. Don't believe the Company Info page, they frequently lie about their experience Always independently verify all claims. You have been warned. Always trust your gut feeling. If you get a bad feeling about something, trust you instincts, don't do the deal. Others will come along later. Never ever use the escrow service recommended by the other party, buyer or seller. Never ever! If a seller ever tells you to use a particular escrow service, be afraid. Be very afraid! All sorts of red flags should go up in your brain. Be extremely suspicious about any car that is priced well below similar models for sale. If that Porsche Boxster is $15,000 cheaper than all the others, it's could be a phony scam sale. They use these lower prices to reel you in. The person you are dealing with offers to pay the shipping and insurance. Come on, use your head! When was the last time anyone on eBay offered to pay shipping for you? Give me a break. It costs $1000 to ship a car. Look for the eBay "Changed ID" icon next to the seller's ID name. If they changed ID in the last 30 days, don't deal with them yet. Few legitimate people change their ID on eBay. 99% are fraudulent, 1% are legit. Black jack odds are better than that. Anytime someone emails you to say "I used this escrow service many times!" You should be skeptical. How often does someone really need the services of an escrow company? Give me a break... When you log into a fake escrow site, it does not say HTTPS://xxxxx at the start of the URL, and your "SSL secure padlock icon" does not come on at the bottom of your browser. This means the site is not a secure site, so they are lying and you know it's fake. A Real escrow company would never tell you to wire them money via Western Union, e-Gold, VUpay, etc. Western Union transfers CASH from one WU location to another, not to a real and traceable bank account! DUH! The only time you should be using Western Union is to bail your drunk loser of a brother out of jail. A real escrow company would tell you to use YOUR bank to wire money to THEIR bank, with their routing number and account number. There is a form you fill out and it must show who their beneficial bank is. You must still verify with your bank where the receiving bank account is REALLY located for their bank account before you wire, it could be a bogus account in Romania, Latvia, Estonia, the Carribbean. Remember that the odds are 9 to 1 against you finding a legitimate online escrow service. If you are stupid enough to wire escrow money through Western Union, don't use your mother's maiden name as the security question and answer. That will give them a foot in the door of your credit card companies. Instead make your security question something like this: Q: What is the first name of the intern who had sex with Bill Clinton? Answer: Monica. Don't let scammers bait you into thinking you can use Western Union as an escrow, or that your money is protected by a password. Most of these scammers are in Romania and Nigeria, which are so corrupt, you don't even need a password to pick up the money. All you need to pick up that money is a pulse. Try to close your deal in person if possible. For example, if you just saved $5,000 on the car, spend $300 on a plane ticket to go see it. Don't buy a car from a foreign "seller" online. Go get the car yourself, or don't close the deal. The heck with escrow. Foreign purchase transactions are for seasoned veterans, not you. There are too many complicated import laws and DOT safety and emissions hurdles for you to deal with. Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a dash in the name, like secure-escrow.com. We saw maybe 1 out of 300 sites that were legit. Avoid escrow companies that claim to be licensed in all 50 states, it's probably a lie. Even some top escrow services refuse to license themselves in Arizona which has licensing requirements that dictate the deposit of an unreasonably large amount of money as a condition for a license. California has tough licensing requirements too, so if you don't see them licensed there, you know they are lying. Some phony escrow sites list a license # of: 963-1867. Be suspicious if you see this, it was cut and pasted from the legitimate Escrow.com. Go to Register.com and do a "whois" lookup of the escrow company domain name. If the domain name was registered only weeks before, consider them to be fraudulent. The scammers usually reserve several names, rip off a few people, then dump the site. Avoid any escrow company with eBay's name embedded in it, like Ebay-Escrow.com. They are all frauds. eBay uses the legitimate Escrow.com. Don't foolishly think that you're safe just because your sale or purchase of a car took place through Autotrader.com, Cars.com, CycleTrader.com or eBay.com. Those sites are highly targeted by scammers. Don't get suckered in by the professional look of an escrow company website. I can do that with Microsoft Front Page in 2 hours. If the escrow company is located outside the U.S., don't use them. Are you nuts? There is no reason to use an offshore escrow company. They are not governed by any U.S. Laws. If the escrow site has a "Verisign Secure Site, Click To Verify" logo on their web site, it is most likely fraudulent. Click on the logo and if all it does is send you to Verisign's home page, they are fraudulent. Same with Internet Security Alliance, and TRUSTe logos. Always VERIFY if they are licensees of these organizations. Fraudulent websites like to paste them on their homepage, even though they are not licensees. Avoid escrow companies that appear to be a well known company, but are not, i.e., WellsFargoEscrow.com, WesternUnion-Escrow.com. Assume that just about any escrow service with the word "Safe" or Secure" in their name are neither safe, nor secure. Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a ".ORG" as part of their name. Legitimate escrow companies are in business to make money, and should never try to pass themselves off as a non-profit organization, which is what the .ORG means. Any U.S. based escrow should end in .COM. Avoid escrows that end with .BIZ, .CC, .INFO, ,US, you get the picture. That's all sleaze territory for web site extensions, inhabited mostly by cyber squatters. If you're buying a used car, email the seller for a VIN#. If you don't here back from him, it's a fraud. Some scammers do actually respond back with VIN#s though, probably copied from another online ad, so be careful. If the seller changes email addresses on you, stop dealing with him. He probably changed because either we, or another victim reported their previous email, and had their email account shut down. They will make up some virus excuse. If the escrow company has the BBB logo on their site, but the link does not go to a BBB review of their business, then the site is a fraud. Verify with the Better Business Bureau at BBB.com if they have a reliability report on your escrow company. It takes 5 seconds. Legitimate escrow services are members of the BBB, and should have a "Satisfactory Record" on the BBB Reliability Report that pops up. Avoid dealing with an escrow web site that does not have BOTH the address AND the phone number listed. Always call the phone number to make sure it's real. If you get some bogus message that says "leave a number", it's fraudulent. Remember that once you send money using Western union or E-Gold through an escrow company, you will never ever see that money again. Once the cash is wired to the other end and picked up by the seller, Western Union cannot get it back. If you used PayPal to wire money to the seller, you cannot get it back. This is because PayPal is not an escrow service. They just instantly wire the money into the seller's checking account. Once they get the money, the scammers close the checking account, so PayPal could not get the money back even if they wanted to. Before you wire money through Western Union, call the Western Union Fraud Department, 1-800-325-6000. Explain your purchase situation and ask them if they think it's a scam. No law enforcement agency, no court, and no lawyer will help you if you get scammed. Before you sign up, send the escrow company a simple email question and see if they respond. If they don't then consider them to be fraudulent.
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 30, 2010 10:00 AM
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 30, 2010 09:59 AM
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(964 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 30, 2010 06:52 AM
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this just saved me $14,000.00. Deancheu.com is NOT a real escrow website.
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(963 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jul 1, 2010 02:41 AM
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i was just scammed i think....i sold and used etopile.com i checked fedex and the buyer signed for my things (i sent 12, 000 worth of items) and now he won't write back to me and etopile.com no longer exists. he was pressuring me to overnight a chanel watch as well. i am glad i didn't. i was fooled bc this user had excellent feedback. i should have known though when he'd only purchased items for 50 dollars or less. i am devastated.
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(962 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jun 16, 2010 03:32 PM
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Please, tell me what you know about windsor-financial as escrow agent.
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(961 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jun 16, 2010 03:21 PM
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(960 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jun 16, 2010 03:17 PM
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Has anybody used the escrow service Windsor-Financial.com? I am waiting for my funds now as a seller. Any information would be helpful. Thanks, gracet*123
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(959 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jun 2, 2010 11:29 AM
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I was contacted by a buyer who wanted to use www.windsor-financial.com. I'm pretty sure this is a fraudulent site. In any event, thank you for your information. It seems like every buyer and seller should receive an email or notice from eBay when they sign up so that everyone knows that only ebay only authorizes or recommends escrow.com.
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(958 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
May 31, 2010 11:23 PM
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Thank you so much for sharing your insight!
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(957 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Mar 25, 2010 05:20 AM
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Hi guys. I was interrested in a Mustang for only 14.900$. Does anyone know a " Mathew T Valentine" or " valentine horsefarm inc " ? He send me the Vin of the mustang and it was the right one. Then I asked him for the terms of payment and delivery and he said to my " moneyline.inc" with a adress. This was in sep. 2009 Than Mr. Valentine didn't answer my mails untel november because of " server problems" I checked the site in septembre and it seemd ok. But now it's not any longer available ?! Also..what's to do ? He said the car is so cheap because the seller needs fast money. His company only sells cars for other people and they have worked a long tome together with moneyline...
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(956 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Mar 9, 2010 10:31 AM
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http://www.aide-trans.com..... is this legitimate? I read your warnings and this has every red flag being posted. I would hate to deny an honest sale but...?
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(955 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Feb 28, 2010 04:13 PM
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Here comes another picture to of the answer from the security centre. http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1319/namnlss.jpg Does ebay really have internationall agents that are involve in this kind of job..
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(953 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Feb 17, 2010 07:13 AM
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stay away from this guy djorkaeff6 he will take your card and money then claim never got it. sellers beware look at his feedback i'm the 7th person he has done this to.so either his post office sucks or hes a scammer
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(952 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jan 23, 2010 10:22 AM
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Interesting and useful information. I used an escrow service occasionally when I first started with eBay with no problems. It sounds as if things have become more complicated in the last ten years. I'll have to be more cautious. Thanks!
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(951 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jan 22, 2010 11:28 AM
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Is there any advantage to using www.escrow.com vs. regular buying on ebay and paying with credit card through paypal. I would like to buy something worth about 10 grand and always thought that using www.escrow.com is safer since you get to inspect the item first. However, it does not let me use my credit card (b/c item is more than 10g) so I am getting a bit nervous about sending wire to www.escrow.com Also reading this thread got me very very nervous too! Any help is appreciated!
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(950 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jan 10, 2010 10:04 PM
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I think if someone really does the research, they will find this post...I have an issue that I was trying to find an answer for and this post actually had the answer in it for me...I couldn`t find the answer anywhere else on EBAY home page so I turned to the forums...after all, I`m sure I`m not the only one that has had questions about this subject. If you really NEED the answer, you WILL find it...Thank you Jeff...
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(949 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Jan 1, 2010 05:47 PM
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lpgasman There is no "ebay department" that registers transactions. There is no "ebay agent" who holds your money. You bid and win an ebay item that ends normally, then maybe ebay will get involved if your transaction goes bad. of COURSE its a scam. You need convincing? do not let the greed of buying that Acura for well below what it's worth cloud your judgement. You already pointed out red flags.
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(948 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 27, 2009 10:14 AM
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Jeff, Awesome list! Thank you for detailing all the tricks and evil ways of the scammers! I am currently looking to buy a car online for my daughter and I have been looking on Cars.com and Autotrader.com. I have already run into a scammer on Cars.com selling a BMW for far less than what it is worth. I knew it sounded too good to be true, so after many email conversations, I asked for a CarFax report or the VIN# to run one, and I never heard from him again! I found a beautiful Acura on Autotrader.com that has a great price. I sent an email a few days ago and finally got a response from him today. First off, he mentions the actual mileage, which is now 17,000 lower than what he stated on the ad, so that was a red flag. Then he makes a statement to me that sent up a very big red flag, This is what he said: "I want you to know that I'm a premium member at the eBay department and they can help us to complete the transaction smooth and fast. If you are interested and you have the funds available email me your full name and shipping address in order to register the transaction at the ebay department". Ok, so after having been selling on Ebay for 10 years and never hearing of such a thing, that totally sounded made up to me. Am I right? In my gut, know I am.
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(947 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 4, 2009 01:20 AM
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yep just had an offer to use hts-online to ship to spain... Identical e-mails as on the last page.... guy name was deyzergg but he is already no longer registered...they move fast! but I felt like something was very fishy!..I think I spooked him when I asked to use escrow.com instead... I wish there were a way to notify everyone that these people are out there and just what there scheme is! I never new about any of this till I started looking in the hts site!
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(946 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 3, 2009 11:20 AM
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HTS is a legitimate company selling therapy products. The license number and address both check out good. Looks like just enough good info to confuse.
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(945 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 3, 2009 11:11 AM
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hts-online.com is a fake escrow site run by scammers based in Romania. Your supposed buyer is running the site. Report the buyer to eBay and asap. Do a Google search and see what you come up with.
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(944 of 967)
Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams
Dec 3, 2009 10:55 AM
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Hi Jeff, Thanks for the info. I had a buyer insist on using www.hts-online.com. I checked the license number, and it came up with the correct company name, but not the correct type of business. Have you heard of this company before?
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