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Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Nov 20, 2003 10:40 AM
Here is my latest checklist for you folks:

Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scam.
Always consider every escrow company to be fraudulent until you have checked them out and proven them to be real.

Do not use a seller's positive feedback to gauge their honesty! Too many of you are using the wrong criteria to determine someone’s honesty on eBay. The eBay feedback system was great in its day, and might still be ok to use for books, CDs, DVDs, etc., but not for big ticket items. It is not foolproof, and I no longer trust a person's feedback as proof of their honesty. Thanks to eBay account hijacking, it might no longer be that person with great feedback that you are dealing with.

Avoid dealing with sellers who end auctions early, yet continue to strike a deal with you via email. Remember, you are now outside the protection of eBay and it's internal escrow. You should always be suspicious when a seller ends an auction early. There's no legit reason to.

A legitimate escrow site would NEVER send you an email telling you to either send your money or or your product to the other party. The transaction is only tracked online, and never through insecure emails. But too many victims do as they are told.

If you get an email "from eBay" where eBay tells you to send money via Western Union, it is a fraud. eBay would never in a million years tell you to use Western Union to pay for auctions, in fact, they warn you against it. What you got is known as a Phishing email from the scammer.

Do a Google search on the escrow's web site. Legit escrows have lots of Google results. Fake ones will have one search result, or usually none. Look for complaints other victims have posted online.

If they address you as "Dear Sir", it's probably a scam, because they are using pre-written response templates. Why don't they say something like "Jeff, let's go ahead with the deal".

DO NOT deal with any eBay "Seller" who contacts you after seeing you bid on another auction!!! Another "seller" contacts you through your bid and says "hey Mr. Sucker, I saw you bidding on that camera. I have the same Camera, with more accessories up for sale for $800 less, I don't even have time to list it on eBay yet. I need to unload it soon, I just got laid off, my loss, your gain, if you want it, we can do the deal through xxxxxxxxxx escrow site.

If you are the seller in an auction and send an expensive product through an escrow, you should ALWAYS require a signature for delivery.
Do not deal with an escrow company unless you absolutely verify they are at least 4 years old through Division Of Corporation lookup. Don't believe the Company Info page, they frequently lie about their experience Always independently verify all claims. You have been warned.

Always trust your gut feeling. If you get a bad feeling about something, trust you instincts, don't do the deal. Others will come along later.

Never ever use the escrow service recommended by the other party, buyer or seller. Never ever! If a seller ever tells you to use a particular escrow service, be afraid. Be very afraid! All sorts of red flags should go up in your brain.

Be extremely suspicious about any car that is priced well below similar models for sale. If that Porsche Boxster is $15,000 cheaper than all the others, it's could be a phony scam sale. They use these lower prices to reel you in.

The person you are dealing with offers to pay the shipping and insurance. Come on, use your head! When was the last time anyone on eBay offered to pay shipping for you? Give me a break. It costs $1000 to ship a car.

Look for the eBay "Changed ID" icon next to the seller's ID name. If they changed ID in the last 30 days, don't deal with them yet. Few legitimate people change their ID on eBay. 99% are fraudulent, 1% are legit. Black jack odds are better than that.

Anytime someone emails you to say "I used this escrow service many times!" You should be skeptical. How often does someone really need the services of an escrow company? Give me a break...

When you log into a fake escrow site, it does not say HTTPS://xxxxx at the start of the URL, and your "SSL secure padlock icon" does not come on at the bottom of your browser. This means the site is not a secure site, so they are lying and you know it's fake.

A Real escrow company would never tell you to wire them money via Western Union, e-Gold, VUpay, etc. Western Union transfers CASH from one WU location to another, not to a real and traceable bank account! DUH! The only time you should be using Western Union is to bail your drunk loser of a brother out of jail. A real escrow company would tell you to use YOUR bank to wire money to THEIR bank, with their routing number and account number. There is a form you fill out and it must show who their beneficial bank is. You must still verify with your bank where the receiving bank account is REALLY located for their bank account before you wire, it could be a bogus account in Romania, Latvia, Estonia, the Carribbean.

Remember that the odds are 9 to 1 against you finding a legitimate online escrow service.

If you are stupid enough to wire escrow money through Western Union, don't use your mother's maiden name as the security question and answer. That will give them a foot in the door of your credit card companies. Instead make your security question something like this: Q: What is the first name of the intern who had sex with Bill Clinton? Answer: Monica.

Don't let scammers bait you into thinking you can use Western Union as an escrow, or that your money is protected by a password. Most of these scammers are in Romania and Nigeria, which are so corrupt, you don't even need a password to pick up the money. All you need to pick up that money is a pulse.

Try to close your deal in person if possible. For example, if you just saved $5,000 on the car, spend $300 on a plane ticket to go see it.

Don't buy a car from a foreign "seller" online. Go get the car yourself, or don't close the deal. The heck with escrow. Foreign purchase transactions are for seasoned veterans, not you. There are too many complicated import laws and DOT safety and emissions hurdles for you to deal with.

Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a dash in the name, like secure-escrow.com. We saw maybe 1 out of 300 sites that were legit.

Avoid escrow companies that claim to be licensed in all 50 states, it's probably a lie. Even some top escrow services refuse to license themselves in Arizona which has licensing requirements that dictate the deposit of an unreasonably large amount of money as a condition for a license. California has tough licensing requirements too, so if you don't see them licensed there, you know they are lying.

Some phony escrow sites list a license # of: 963-1867. Be suspicious if you see this, it was cut and pasted from the legitimate Escrow.com.

Go to Register.com and do a "whois" lookup of the escrow company domain name. If the domain name was registered only weeks before, consider them to be fraudulent. The scammers usually reserve several names, rip off a few people, then dump the site.

Avoid any escrow company with eBay's name embedded in it, like Ebay-Escrow.com. They are all frauds. eBay uses the legitimate Escrow.com.

Don't foolishly think that you're safe just because your sale or purchase of a car took place through Autotrader.com, Cars.com, CycleTrader.com or eBay.com. Those sites are highly targeted by scammers.

Don't get suckered in by the professional look of an escrow company website. I can do that with Microsoft Front Page in 2 hours.

If the escrow company is located outside the U.S., don't use them. Are you nuts? There is no reason to use an offshore escrow company. They are not governed by any U.S. Laws.

If the escrow site has a "Verisign Secure Site, Click To Verify" logo on their web site, it is most likely fraudulent. Click on the logo and if all it does is send you to Verisign's home page, they are fraudulent. Same with Internet Security Alliance, and TRUSTe logos. Always VERIFY if they are licensees of these organizations. Fraudulent websites like to paste them on their homepage, even though they are not licensees.

Avoid escrow companies that appear to be a well known company, but are not, i.e., WellsFargoEscrow.com, WesternUnion-Escrow.com.

Assume that just about any escrow service with the word "Safe" or Secure" in their name are neither safe, nor secure.

Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a ".ORG" as part of their name. Legitimate escrow companies are in business to make money, and should never try to pass themselves off as a non-profit organization, which is what the .ORG means. Any U.S. based escrow should end in .COM.

Avoid escrows that end with .BIZ, .CC, .INFO, ,US, you get the picture. That's all sleaze territory for web site extensions, inhabited mostly by cyber squatters.

If you're buying a used car, email the seller for a VIN#. If you don't here back from him, it's a fraud. Some scammers do actually respond back with VIN#s though, probably copied from another online ad, so be careful.

If the seller changes email addresses on you, stop dealing with him. He probably changed because either we, or another victim reported their previous email, and had their email account shut down. They will make up some virus excuse.

If the escrow company has the BBB logo on their site, but the link does not go to a BBB review of their business, then the site is a fraud.

Verify with the Better Business Bureau at BBB.com if they have a reliability report on your escrow company. It takes 5 seconds. Legitimate escrow services are members of the BBB, and should have a "Satisfactory Record" on the BBB Reliability Report that pops up.

Avoid dealing with an escrow web site that does not have BOTH the address AND the phone number listed. Always call the phone number to make sure it's real. If you get some bogus message that says "leave a number", it's fraudulent.

Remember that once you send money using Western union or E-Gold through an escrow company, you will never ever see that money again. Once the cash is wired to the other end and picked up by the seller, Western Union cannot get it back.

If you used PayPal to wire money to the seller, you cannot get it back. This is because PayPal is not an escrow service. They just instantly wire the money into the seller's checking account. Once they get the money, the scammers close the checking account, so PayPal could not get the money back even if they wanted to.

Before you wire money through Western Union, call the Western Union Fraud Department, 1-800-325-6000. Explain your purchase situation and ask them if they think it's a scam.

No law enforcement agency, no court, and no lawyer will help you if you get scammed.

Before you sign up, send the escrow company a simple email question and see if they respond. If they don't then consider them to be fraudulent.

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thingamajigs*n*widgets
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Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 7, 2008 9:05 AM
Yes Chris, it is a scam.

Shipping will be done in a LD3 Garment Container via Lufthansa Cargo

Just how do you think a car can be put into an LD3 garment container?
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Apr 7, 2008 7:02 PM
i didnt know what LD3 garment container was until i saw it on the other page lol

crazy what people will say these days to swindle you out of money im happy i did my research
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Apr 8, 2008 5:37 AM
I have a person who wants to sell me a car and says that e-bay will act as the 3rd part "escrow" service and not release my funds to him until I have inspected the car and have signed off that it is in the condition we agreed upon. Does E-bay do that?
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Apr 8, 2008 10:13 PM
No, eBay never works like that. This is a very common claim by scammers. Have nothing more to do with the person who is trying to get you to buy that vehicle.

If the account has some good feedback, that will also be a sign that it has been hijacked by your scaming seller. Sometimes these guys list using brand new eBay IDs, but there claims look better if they can pretend to be members in good standing.
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Apr 20, 2008 11:30 AM
I just won an Apple Macbook on ebay. The seller had no reliable feedback so I chose escrow.com over paypal. Once it arrives, I have three days to take it to an apple store and have them look it over. They won't release the funds to the seller until after I am satisfied. Escrow.com seems to make it easier to simply return the item if It is defective. Paypal's dispute resolution takes several days to get a chargeback if there is an issue.
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May 2, 2008 6:45 AM
Dear Jeff,

I have found your posts very helpful. Here is my situation: I am in the market for a vehicle, and responded to an ad: 4.0L V8 MPI LOW MILES 1995 Lexus LS400 - $4500 Link. I let the seller know that I was interested in purchasing the vehicle, and that I wanted to see it. Please also check this webaddress for the escrow account: www.intl-shippers.com IS THIS LEGIT? Here is the sellers first response: (PLEASE HELP!!)

Hello,
Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in London (United Kingdom) right
now and I have been very busy. Anyway, thank you for your interest in
buying the car. The car is located in US right now and has US papers.
Why is the price so low? I am here in UK with my new work and I cannot
register the car here, as it is made for USA, according to USA
standards. So all that I want to do now is to sell the car at this
price, because I need to sell it fast(I already made a deposit here to
buy me another). The title is clean and you will have absolutely no
problems to register the car in the States. I will tell you a few words
about it. Automatic transmission, immaculate condition with only 76,000
miles, VIN number: JT8UF22E0S0027804, rust free, no scratch and hasn't
been involved in any accident. The engine runs very well (8 cylinders).
The interior looks great (never smoked in). This car needs nothing, the
title is clear. I want this transaction to go smoothly enough as I am
caught in the middle of some very important events and have little time
at my disposal. I already have tons of emails so I hope you understand
that I need to sort them out.
The price is $4,500 not negociable. I will take in consideration only
those buyers who are really interested in buying the car, to be sure
that I don't waste my time with endless discussions. This way, I shall
be assured of the serious intentions .
For more pictures click in the link below:
Link
So if you are interested please email me back for next step.
Regards,
Linda Beck

I then responded with my name, address and my cell phone info, also stating that I wanted to see the vehicle as soon as possible, because I passed up another vehicle for this one. She then sent me the following message:


Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in UK with my work. Before
leaving US I had prearranged the deal with Trans International
www.intl-shippers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car and
all the papers(title,etc..) are in their possession in US ready for
delivery. You will have 5 days to test and inspect the car. The shipping
company will hold a deposit until the car is delivered and inspected. If
it's not as described or if the title is not clear or whatever problem
you may find and we can't work it out, the car will be returned and your
deposit will be refunded. If you accept it, the papers will be signed
and once that is over and notorized, they will release the funds to me
and you will have to pay the rest.
Quite simple and fast. So if you want to make this deal I need the
following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

I will forward your details to Trans International and I will proceed
the order. They will contact you with all the information that you need
to complete this deal and also to see that I am covered by them and that
I am legit seller. Waiting your email with the requested details.

Once I received this email from the seller, I sent the requested name, address & phone information. I then received the email below from Trans International regarding the shipping and payment.Before I proceed any further, I wanted to confirm with you that this is a safe transaction, and that this shipping company is legit. Any assistance would be appreciated.Regards,Edith Munoz

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:25:28 -0700
From: transaction@intl-shippers.com
Subject: Your invoice for transaction #AQ27862999
To: munoz1984@hotmail.com



Your invoice for transaction #AQ27862999


Transaction Details
Date IssuedApril 30, 2008
Invoice No. #AQ27862999
Shippment No. #WT94729348
InsuranceIncluded


Shipping Details
Ships FromTopeka, KS
Ships To Schwenksville, PA
MethodClosed Container
Quantity1 (One)


Departure & Arrival
Departure:On Hold
Arrival On Hold
Shippment No. #WT94729348
StatusIn Custody




Seller Informations:
Full Name Linda Beck
Email lndbeck8@aol.com
City/State/ZipLondon/SW7 5RN
Country United Kingdom


Shipping address
Full NameEdith V. Munoz
Address Line52 Aspen Way
City/State/ZipSchwenksville/ PA/19473
Country United States



You can verify at any time your delivery status using the following tracking number: 0086d240720785afdb3f22e0e95d23c8
Just visit our website at www.intl-shippers.com and click on Tracking.

Bank to Bank Transfer Instructions

Trans International requires the payment for this item to be done through Bank to Bank transfer service to our representative's account.




Ship Anything Anywere with confidence




Go to your Bank and transfer the amount of $4,500.00 to the account specified below.

Bank Name:Bank of America
Account Name:Darius Malev
Account #:2346173429
ABA Routing #:121000358
Account location:1196 S DIAMOND BAR BLVD, DIAMOND BAR, CA 91765

After completing the transfer send a fax at +1 (951) 281-5104 with the following:
- Transfer Receipt(s)
- Shipping Address
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fake_sammler
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May 2, 2008 7:09 AM
Link
is a FAKE !!
dont pay pls!!
Link
here the "brother and sisters":
Link
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May 2, 2008 10:56 AM
That is definitely a scam. They have been scamming Craigslist and others for years, but now they use automated tools to load up every market of Craigslist with bogus ads, which are easy to find. I can find one within a minute of landing on craigslist. Usually they are priced half what they should be, much lower than all the other models listed. But also Craigslist warns you at the top of every ad NEVER to send money via western union, and not to use escrow. But people are too stupid and never read, so they lose their money. The emails you got from the scammer are almost all exactly the same as all the other scammers. Notice how they never address you by name, because they are using a pre-scripted form letter.
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May 21, 2008 7:33 PM
Especially be aware, when the price is to cheap and the buyer is located in a foreign country and demands payment over Western Union and stuff like that.
If you buy in other countries, you can use credit card because most credit card companies offer fraud protection.
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Jun 4, 2008 8:09 AM
Can a large bank like HSBC put a stop on a wire transfer? Before or after it hits the account. I was spoofed for a large sum. The bank was Wiachovia and Reiffesen scam. Please be aware of this.
I contacted the bank and the funds were still in the account but the manager would not reply as to what he could do. My bank manager is attempting to freeze the funds.
Regards,
Just another fool.
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Jun 5, 2008 12:18 AM
telichris
You're behaving like a typical victim.
You come to the boards moaning and groaning about your situation but refuse to accept the fact that someone (me)
is actually here to help (you) and you answered my email with a question as opposed to an answer.
You've already wasted a considerable amount of time:
Link
....not to mention the fact that the person who sent you the spoof emails is still probably doing the same thing to other people.
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Jun 7, 2008 4:36 PM
Hi, I have a question I just bought to cars and got scammed badly, what can I do? Do I get a lawyer?
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Jun 7, 2008 4:52 PM
jujuprpr
Did you use a fake site?
Was the fake site reported as fraud prior to your getting ripped off?
You can sue anyone, if you can afford the lawyer, but it doesn't guarantee you'll win a civil lawsuit against anyone.
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Jul 1, 2008 4:52 PM
Any suggestions on how to present a seller with a request to sell through escrow.com? There have been a couple of sellers with no feedback that I messaged, asking if they, as a no-feedback seller might be willing to sell through escrow, And told them to look up escrow through ebay - don't trust me for a link.
So far, I've had two just ignore me (OK, fine), and one retract my bid, saying I was "shady".
I think I'm going to go back to simply ignoring no-feedback sellers, and just never buy a big-ticket anything through ebay...
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Jul 22, 2008 5:07 AM
has anybody heard of Link for escrow services for buying a car.
this seems like a fake site to me but want to make sure
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