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Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Nov 20, 2003 10:40 AM
Here is my latest checklist for you folks:

Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scam.
Always consider every escrow company to be fraudulent until you have checked them out and proven them to be real.

Do not use a seller's positive feedback to gauge their honesty! Too many of you are using the wrong criteria to determine someone’s honesty on eBay. The eBay feedback system was great in its day, and might still be ok to use for books, CDs, DVDs, etc., but not for big ticket items. It is not foolproof, and I no longer trust a person's feedback as proof of their honesty. Thanks to eBay account hijacking, it might no longer be that person with great feedback that you are dealing with.

Avoid dealing with sellers who end auctions early, yet continue to strike a deal with you via email. Remember, you are now outside the protection of eBay and it's internal escrow. You should always be suspicious when a seller ends an auction early. There's no legit reason to.

A legitimate escrow site would NEVER send you an email telling you to either send your money or or your product to the other party. The transaction is only tracked online, and never through insecure emails. But too many victims do as they are told.

If you get an email "from eBay" where eBay tells you to send money via Western Union, it is a fraud. eBay would never in a million years tell you to use Western Union to pay for auctions, in fact, they warn you against it. What you got is known as a Phishing email from the scammer.

Do a Google search on the escrow's web site. Legit escrows have lots of Google results. Fake ones will have one search result, or usually none. Look for complaints other victims have posted online.

If they address you as "Dear Sir", it's probably a scam, because they are using pre-written response templates. Why don't they say something like "Jeff, let's go ahead with the deal".

DO NOT deal with any eBay "Seller" who contacts you after seeing you bid on another auction!!! Another "seller" contacts you through your bid and says "hey Mr. Sucker, I saw you bidding on that camera. I have the same Camera, with more accessories up for sale for $800 less, I don't even have time to list it on eBay yet. I need to unload it soon, I just got laid off, my loss, your gain, if you want it, we can do the deal through xxxxxxxxxx escrow site.

If you are the seller in an auction and send an expensive product through an escrow, you should ALWAYS require a signature for delivery.
Do not deal with an escrow company unless you absolutely verify they are at least 4 years old through Division Of Corporation lookup. Don't believe the Company Info page, they frequently lie about their experience Always independently verify all claims. You have been warned.

Always trust your gut feeling. If you get a bad feeling about something, trust you instincts, don't do the deal. Others will come along later.

Never ever use the escrow service recommended by the other party, buyer or seller. Never ever! If a seller ever tells you to use a particular escrow service, be afraid. Be very afraid! All sorts of red flags should go up in your brain.

Be extremely suspicious about any car that is priced well below similar models for sale. If that Porsche Boxster is $15,000 cheaper than all the others, it's could be a phony scam sale. They use these lower prices to reel you in.

The person you are dealing with offers to pay the shipping and insurance. Come on, use your head! When was the last time anyone on eBay offered to pay shipping for you? Give me a break. It costs $1000 to ship a car.

Look for the eBay "Changed ID" icon next to the seller's ID name. If they changed ID in the last 30 days, don't deal with them yet. Few legitimate people change their ID on eBay. 99% are fraudulent, 1% are legit. Black jack odds are better than that.

Anytime someone emails you to say "I used this escrow service many times!" You should be skeptical. How often does someone really need the services of an escrow company? Give me a break...

When you log into a fake escrow site, it does not say HTTPS://xxxxx at the start of the URL, and your "SSL secure padlock icon" does not come on at the bottom of your browser. This means the site is not a secure site, so they are lying and you know it's fake.

A Real escrow company would never tell you to wire them money via Western Union, e-Gold, VUpay, etc. Western Union transfers CASH from one WU location to another, not to a real and traceable bank account! DUH! The only time you should be using Western Union is to bail your drunk loser of a brother out of jail. A real escrow company would tell you to use YOUR bank to wire money to THEIR bank, with their routing number and account number. There is a form you fill out and it must show who their beneficial bank is. You must still verify with your bank where the receiving bank account is REALLY located for their bank account before you wire, it could be a bogus account in Romania, Latvia, Estonia, the Carribbean.

Remember that the odds are 9 to 1 against you finding a legitimate online escrow service.

If you are stupid enough to wire escrow money through Western Union, don't use your mother's maiden name as the security question and answer. That will give them a foot in the door of your credit card companies. Instead make your security question something like this: Q: What is the first name of the intern who had sex with Bill Clinton? Answer: Monica.

Don't let scammers bait you into thinking you can use Western Union as an escrow, or that your money is protected by a password. Most of these scammers are in Romania and Nigeria, which are so corrupt, you don't even need a password to pick up the money. All you need to pick up that money is a pulse.

Try to close your deal in person if possible. For example, if you just saved $5,000 on the car, spend $300 on a plane ticket to go see it.

Don't buy a car from a foreign "seller" online. Go get the car yourself, or don't close the deal. The heck with escrow. Foreign purchase transactions are for seasoned veterans, not you. There are too many complicated import laws and DOT safety and emissions hurdles for you to deal with.

Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a dash in the name, like secure-escrow.com. We saw maybe 1 out of 300 sites that were legit.

Avoid escrow companies that claim to be licensed in all 50 states, it's probably a lie. Even some top escrow services refuse to license themselves in Arizona which has licensing requirements that dictate the deposit of an unreasonably large amount of money as a condition for a license. California has tough licensing requirements too, so if you don't see them licensed there, you know they are lying.

Some phony escrow sites list a license # of: 963-1867. Be suspicious if you see this, it was cut and pasted from the legitimate Escrow.com.

Go to Register.com and do a "whois" lookup of the escrow company domain name. If the domain name was registered only weeks before, consider them to be fraudulent. The scammers usually reserve several names, rip off a few people, then dump the site.

Avoid any escrow company with eBay's name embedded in it, like Ebay-Escrow.com. They are all frauds. eBay uses the legitimate Escrow.com.

Don't foolishly think that you're safe just because your sale or purchase of a car took place through Autotrader.com, Cars.com, CycleTrader.com or eBay.com. Those sites are highly targeted by scammers.

Don't get suckered in by the professional look of an escrow company website. I can do that with Microsoft Front Page in 2 hours.

If the escrow company is located outside the U.S., don't use them. Are you nuts? There is no reason to use an offshore escrow company. They are not governed by any U.S. Laws.

If the escrow site has a "Verisign Secure Site, Click To Verify" logo on their web site, it is most likely fraudulent. Click on the logo and if all it does is send you to Verisign's home page, they are fraudulent. Same with Internet Security Alliance, and TRUSTe logos. Always VERIFY if they are licensees of these organizations. Fraudulent websites like to paste them on their homepage, even though they are not licensees.

Avoid escrow companies that appear to be a well known company, but are not, i.e., WellsFargoEscrow.com, WesternUnion-Escrow.com.

Assume that just about any escrow service with the word "Safe" or Secure" in their name are neither safe, nor secure.

Avoid dealing with any escrow company that has a ".ORG" as part of their name. Legitimate escrow companies are in business to make money, and should never try to pass themselves off as a non-profit organization, which is what the .ORG means. Any U.S. based escrow should end in .COM.

Avoid escrows that end with .BIZ, .CC, .INFO, ,US, you get the picture. That's all sleaze territory for web site extensions, inhabited mostly by cyber squatters.

If you're buying a used car, email the seller for a VIN#. If you don't here back from him, it's a fraud. Some scammers do actually respond back with VIN#s though, probably copied from another online ad, so be careful.

If the seller changes email addresses on you, stop dealing with him. He probably changed because either we, or another victim reported their previous email, and had their email account shut down. They will make up some virus excuse.

If the escrow company has the BBB logo on their site, but the link does not go to a BBB review of their business, then the site is a fraud.

Verify with the Better Business Bureau at BBB.com if they have a reliability report on your escrow company. It takes 5 seconds. Legitimate escrow services are members of the BBB, and should have a "Satisfactory Record" on the BBB Reliability Report that pops up.

Avoid dealing with an escrow web site that does not have BOTH the address AND the phone number listed. Always call the phone number to make sure it's real. If you get some bogus message that says "leave a number", it's fraudulent.

Remember that once you send money using Western union or E-Gold through an escrow company, you will never ever see that money again. Once the cash is wired to the other end and picked up by the seller, Western Union cannot get it back.

If you used PayPal to wire money to the seller, you cannot get it back. This is because PayPal is not an escrow service. They just instantly wire the money into the seller's checking account. Once they get the money, the scammers close the checking account, so PayPal could not get the money back even if they wanted to.

Before you wire money through Western Union, call the Western Union Fraud Department, 1-800-325-6000. Explain your purchase situation and ask them if they think it's a scam.

No law enforcement agency, no court, and no lawyer will help you if you get scammed.

Before you sign up, send the escrow company a simple email question and see if they respond. If they don't then consider them to be fraudulent.

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brittnee_1950
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 1, 2009 10:47 PM
well i sure did not know about theses boards and been on ebay for years. Sure wish i had got scams last week for a 9,000 dimond ring. ebay is being no help,and fedex is a joke and now the escrow site has disapeared. sure wish some one on ebay would so a what to do when you get scamed becasue you will. to trace the person responable. i am so disapointed with ebay and i feel they are not tellling me the truth and things that can help. as they sent me an email after auction closed and item had been shiped that the buyer used the acount without permission and the auction was pulled and could be relisted (haha) already shiped. the account that was uses still to this day has the same email address as person who scamed me. but i am getting no were with ebay. so be careful and don't expect any help from ebay when you are scamed.
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 2, 2009 7:35 PM
All you can do is to file a report on i3c.gov and hope they finally catch up with your con artist. While the probability is low, it is zero if you don't file a report. Also be sure to file a report with your local police. You'll need to have a police report number if you need to declare the loss on next year's tax returns.





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matrixone68
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 11, 2009 8:23 AM
Ever heard of www.ech-trader.com

A guy from e-mail itratz@live.com keeps trying to buy items through this french escrow service? Any ideas?
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 11, 2009 10:10 AM
ech-trader.com is a scam site.
That template has been used so many times its pathetic.
The person pretending to be the buyer is the same person running the site.
Report their eBay user ID to eBay and tell the scammer to Mănâncă rahat si sa moara
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Apr 12, 2009 11:03 AM
Domain Name.......... ech-trader.com
Updated Date: 28-mar-2009
Creation Date: 28-mar-2009
Expiration Date: 28-mar-2010

Used a private registration.

The site is about two weeks old and, as the first responder said, it is using a very common template for their fraud.





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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Jun 3, 2009 8:10 AM
Hello, i am selling a watch at ebay , and the guy agreed first to pay via paypal , then he changed his story and said i had no feedback and ebay security supposedly told him to use this escrow service ..Link

there is nothing in google and the site looks fraudulent... what do you think? the ebay user is : longeri

here is his whole last mail....

Carlos, hi again, we have slight inconvenience but I think we can
solve it out. I was just talking with the Security Team at Ebay and
they told me you have no feedback for selling items on Ebay.
I was not aware of this until now and it worries me because we are
talking about a lot of money and that is why I am a little concerned.
Also I asked Ebay about how am I protected if you have no feedback for
selling items on Ebay and I was surprised to find out that I am NOT
covered in case of fraud and Ebay cannot guarantee the transaction for
you.
Paypal indeed has a Fraud Protection program but in your case they
only cover transactions up to $1000 US Dollars. The amount covered by
the Fraud Protection plan will is increased exponentially as your Ebay
feedback goes higher. They said if I send the money to you in advance
either via Paypal or Wire transfer I do it on my own risk.
Actually they suggested I should either use an Escrow service or find
a seller with a higher feedback.

Conclusion: We don`t know each other, you have no feedback as a seller
on Ebay and there is no way I can be guaranteed (neither by Ebay or
Paypal) that I will actually receive the item after I pay.
Under these new circumstances and under Ebay`s advice, I have decided
that I will only use an Escrow service. An Escrow service is very easy
to use and indeed it is a 100% secure and fraud-proof payment method
that guarantees the safety of the transaction for both the buyer and
the seller.

WWW.CROWLEY-FINANCIAL.COM is the best escrow service I know and it is
recommended by Ebay as an excellent service, very reliable andfraud-proof.

Please think about it and if you want to do this safe for both of us,
please go ahead register with them and e-mail me back. As soon as I
hear back from you I will send the payment immediately from my bank
account.

Kind regards,
Victor
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Jun 3, 2009 9:48 AM
CROWLEY-FINANCIAL.COM is a fake escrow site run by a Romanian scammer.
Report him to eBay immediately.
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Jun 3, 2009 12:46 PM
How do i report him?
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Jun 3, 2009 12:46 PM
How do i report him?
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Jun 3, 2009 1:09 PM
Link

Customer Support is on the bottom of the page.
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Nov 4, 2009 10:51 AM
Just want to let everyone know that Spain - guy is still out there! Tried to get me yesterday, but I looked up the escrow site -- www.esafe-holdings.com, saw it was a fraud with identical emails being sent!
Thank goodness and thanks to you all for making this info public!!


From: guitbabonn
To: shelby100
Subject: You've received a question about your eBay item, Sarcar Ladies "Coin" Pendant Watch 18K vintage REDUCED!
Sent Date: Nov-03-09 04:06:49 PST


Dear shelby100,

Hello,

I am really intrested in your item and I need it right away because it will
be a gift. Please email me the final price including shipping to Spain via
FedEx 3 Days Express. For payment I prefer to use an escrow service that
protects both buyer and seller against fraud. I will pay the shipping and
escrow fees. If we agree on the price, we can start the escrow process today
and you can have the money in a few days.

Thanks,
Alfred


- guitbabonn


Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 9:59 pm Subject: Re: You've received an answer to your question about item
HI , I'm very glad that the item is still available! First of all I want to apologize for my english and for my late answer, I was out of town with my family. I decided to buy your item so please tell me if it`s necesarry to bid on it. Like I said you in my first email I want you to ship it via FedEx International Priority (3 days or so) because I need it fast. Because I want to be safe for both of us we will close this deal using www.esafe-holdings.com A very trustable and professional escrow service. This service will protect both of us.Please go to Esafe-Holdings website and open a new account with them. Then INITIATE the transaction and please include the ebay item# on the description. I'm already a member and I'm waiting for you to start the transactreion. For inspection period I think 2 days (from the day I receive the package) it`s enough. When you start it please put shipping insurance on the step 2 because I want them to insure the package too, I`ll pay. After you will start the transaction you will see that I'm a serious person and I have closed 8 positive transactions through them.
Best Regards, Alfred
PS: Check the "FAQ" link to see why it is safe to use this kind of service, and also please add $100 to the total price for shipping fees.
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Nov 4, 2009 9:51 PM
Awesome information, I think I had two different people try to scam me with escrows. They are ebay members and the emails were exactly the same.

P.S. This info you wrote was very easy to find and very helpful.
Thanks again, Nan
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Re: Tips for Avoiding the Fraudulent Escrow Service Scams

Nov 4, 2009 9:52 PM
Awesome information, I think I had two different people try to scam me with escrows. They are ebay members and the emails were exactly the same.

P.S. This info you wrote was very easy to find and very helpful.
Thanks again, Nan
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