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UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
May 29, 2012 11:46 AM

X-(

 

Ok, so I recently sold glassware to a number of buyers and had to ship multiple packages all over the US.  A couple went USPS due to the Paypal confirmed address being a PO Box, most went UPS Ground. All insured. All items double wrapped in bubble wrap individually and taped. Box lined with more bubble wrap, box marked fragile. If you shook these boxes, nothing moved.

 

Out of all the packages, two were damaged. One USPS, one UPS. I am having exactly the opposite experience as expected.

 

1. I filed my claim with the USPS online for the full amount of the sale. Issued the seller a refund and crossed my fingers. I had attached to my claim online photos of the broken merchandise. IN LESS THAN 48 HOURS, my claim was marked "approved" online and I got my check Saturday, just days later.  They never asked the buyer for anything. I guess we can toss the broken pieces now.

 

2. HOWEVER, now we move to UPS who I have never had problems with.  I file the claim online (we're talking under $60 for the merchandise, but I wanted a refund of shipping costs, which was an option).  Instead of paying promptly, UPS e-mails me that they are going to do pickup the item on the 24th from the buyer. Fine.  I tell the buyer to get it ready and had her send me pictures, you can even see the box is smashed in on one side. The dropped this thing HARD in transit. It's clear as day.

 

Well, first UPS shows up on the 23rd to get the package from the buyer (day early) and she wasn't ready so they come back and get it on the 24th.

 

Friday, I get an e-mail report from UPS.. they are denying my claim because I did "not protect the contents".  First, the buyer unwrapped each and every item to inspect and take photographs so of course UPS is not going to see how the items were packaged when she got them. How would she have known what was broken if she didn't unwrap them? How would she have photographed the broken item?  They make no mention of the box being smashed in on one side. Simply, claim denied.

 

Not acceptable. So I e-mail UPS explaining the above. The items they have were UNWRAPPED by the receipient to discover the damage. I explained how I had wrapped them originally and mentioned I have a photo of the box damaged upon delivery to prove something happened while in their care.

 

I get an e-mail back saying they have submitted an appeal for me and will get back to me today.

 

OK, let's assume they are going to hold firm and claim the buyer unwrapped broken merchandise is exactly how I shipped it and they are not responsible for the damage no matter how much they beat up the box.

 

What is my next step?  I know I am getting ahead of myself, but I can smell battle ahead. (Over $60, really?)  Do I treat this like any other major company complaint and write the CEO with photographs and story?  Do I contract the BBB? Do I get ready for small claims?

 

(The CEO letters and BBB have done wonders for me before, but not in shipping of eBay merchandise).

 

I'd appreciate any feedback from those who had to fight UPS over an insurance claim and won.

 

Thanks!

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UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?

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UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
May 29, 2012 11:46 AM

X-(

 

Ok, so I recently sold glassware to a number of buyers and had to ship multiple packages all over the US.  A couple went USPS due to the Paypal confirmed address being a PO Box, most went UPS Ground. All insured. All items double wrapped in bubble wrap individually and taped. Box lined with more bubble wrap, box marked fragile. If you shook these boxes, nothing moved.

 

Out of all the packages, two were damaged. One USPS, one UPS. I am having exactly the opposite experience as expected.

 

1. I filed my claim with the USPS online for the full amount of the sale. Issued the seller a refund and crossed my fingers. I had attached to my claim online photos of the broken merchandise. IN LESS THAN 48 HOURS, my claim was marked "approved" online and I got my check Saturday, just days later.  They never asked the buyer for anything. I guess we can toss the broken pieces now.

 

2. HOWEVER, now we move to UPS who I have never had problems with.  I file the claim online (we're talking under $60 for the merchandise, but I wanted a refund of shipping costs, which was an option).  Instead of paying promptly, UPS e-mails me that they are going to do pickup the item on the 24th from the buyer. Fine.  I tell the buyer to get it ready and had her send me pictures, you can even see the box is smashed in on one side. The dropped this thing HARD in transit. It's clear as day.

 

Well, first UPS shows up on the 23rd to get the package from the buyer (day early) and she wasn't ready so they come back and get it on the 24th.

 

Friday, I get an e-mail report from UPS.. they are denying my claim because I did "not protect the contents".  First, the buyer unwrapped each and every item to inspect and take photographs so of course UPS is not going to see how the items were packaged when she got them. How would she have known what was broken if she didn't unwrap them? How would she have photographed the broken item?  They make no mention of the box being smashed in on one side. Simply, claim denied.

 

Not acceptable. So I e-mail UPS explaining the above. The items they have were UNWRAPPED by the receipient to discover the damage. I explained how I had wrapped them originally and mentioned I have a photo of the box damaged upon delivery to prove something happened while in their care.

 

I get an e-mail back saying they have submitted an appeal for me and will get back to me today.

 

OK, let's assume they are going to hold firm and claim the buyer unwrapped broken merchandise is exactly how I shipped it and they are not responsible for the damage no matter how much they beat up the box.

 

What is my next step?  I know I am getting ahead of myself, but I can smell battle ahead. (Over $60, really?)  Do I treat this like any other major company complaint and write the CEO with photographs and story?  Do I contract the BBB? Do I get ready for small claims?

 

(The CEO letters and BBB have done wonders for me before, but not in shipping of eBay merchandise).

 

I'd appreciate any feedback from those who had to fight UPS over an insurance claim and won.

 

Thanks!

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by hardcoremarinecorp.. (44 ) View Listings
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Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jun 5, 2012 01:50 AM

Well I see no has replied to your "How to Proceed?" I am in the same boat with the UPS.  They ran one of my packages over with their forklift. Which was insured and headed to the Nederatherlands.  It made it to Florida.  The  UPS driver/Man was smart enough to log what happened to it but also said the 3rd party shipper refused it at 1 am and they returned it to me smashed.

  I filed the claim but they denied due to not following "the packaging rules of you should put peanuts etc around your item" which I had the item surrounded in syrofoam. I don't think that would stop a forklift.  I  operate heavy equiptment daily on construction sites.  Even a warehouse forklift can kill a person.

 

I asked them where in their policy is say that they should run my package over with their forkllift and not honor my insurance on my package.

Still denied.  So sounds like we are in the same boat. I was lucky I had another item and could ship out but I'm out the smashed one etc. and I'm not happy how UPS handles things. They don't follow their own rules and their is loop holes in the rules. :| 

(2 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jun 8, 2012 12:54 PM

PLATT.....and RED...

 

Wow!  I am surprised to  hear that these two Claims were rejected!  Especially since there is clear---and serious--damage right on these boxes.

 

I do not understand these rulings.  They seem to have changed thier Policies.:(:_|

 

PLATT..I am glad to hear that PO was more helfpful to you.  I noftice that they did not require your buyer to bring that item into the PO for inspection.  Was your item worth $50 or less?  I have heard that the PO will now pay insurance claims --without inspecting the item---IF the total price was under $50.  Suposedly, the PO loses so much money when they do have to go through the Inspection Process--that it is now cheaper for them to just pay claims--without looking at the packing materials---as  long as the claim is for a relatively low amount.:)

(3 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jun 16, 2012 04:29 PM

UPS has gotten really bad about honoring claims.  I had a pole go thru a double boxed package and they denied it the first go around.  I had them deny another one exactly because of what the OP is going thru.  They make their own conclusions on how it was packed and if they see a bit of "paper" in the box, it's an immediate denial.  I always use a few sheets of tissue paper on my vintage items before I wrap in bubblewrap.  They saw that "paper" in the box and the claim was denied for improper packing... didn't matter that there was bubblewrap and peanuts also in the box!  I got that one denied twice and then I called their headquarters and complained..... finally they honored the claim but it took two months.   

 

I mentioned my problems with UPS to the mail store that I drop them off at.  They said everyone was complaining about UPS not honoring claims now and suggested I start using FedeX as they have never heard any complaints about them.  I think the problem is that UPS is not using a contractor for insurance, so it's not UPS you are dealing with for insurance, it is a contractor.

 

(4 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jun 16, 2012 04:31 PM

I think the problem is that UPS is not using a contractor for insurance, so it's not UPS you are dealing with for insurance, it is a contractor.

 

Sorry that should have been "I think the problem is that UPS is NOW using .....

(5 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jun 28, 2012 04:31 PM

UPS denied my claim when a brand new intake manifold made out of solid billet aircraft grade aluminum was damaged by them so badly that it was in pieces when buyer received it. It was insured for $999.00.  The actual value of the item because it was a discontinued item is over $3,500.00.  It was new and shipped in manufacturer's original packaging and an additional box and bubble wrap over it. 

 

Crawford, the company that handles the claims for UPS, is also owned by UPS and if you do a little research, you'll find that they deny claims all of the time and give some excuse that is nothing more than a pretext to deny the claim.

 

I am an attorney and I am going to file suit against UPS.  Do not ship with UPS no matter what.  Use pony express beforeUPS.

 

There is a national law firm that is soliciting for claimants whose claims were denied by UPS to contact them.  I have nothing to do with this firm or any of the attorneys associated with their firm.  They can be easily found if you do a google search under something like "UPS damage claim denied".

(6 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Jan 14, 2013 05:37 AM

I ship Lucite, what nightmares I have.  Recently I shipped a table top made of 3/4" thick Lucite which has a breaking capacity of over 350 lbs, I sit in a chair made of 3/4" everyday and I'm 235.  UPS delivered the piece and it was broken in half, cracked clean through.  They denied the claim because they said I did nit use 2" of bubble wrap.

I see a lot of similar stories but does any one have a resolve?  A legal method perhaps that does not allow UPS to be judge, jury and executioner of their own filed claims?

(7 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Feb 1, 2013 12:45 PM

I'm going through this same process currently. While I feel bad there's so many of us, I'm slightly solaced in knowing I'm not alone. I sent photos into UPS almost a month ago and they never even got back to me. I had to call them to follow up today to find out my claim had been "denied", and the only answer I received was "packaging related".

 

If it helps anyone, I shipped a metal and glass lampshade. The glass made it just fine; the metal crown atop the lamp crumbled. Visible damage to the box, and yes — 2"+ of bubble wrap packaging on all sides.

 

I'm now begun a dispute to the denial; I'm happy to report back, as I'm not going to let this one go.

 

Either way, looks I'll be looking to USPS from now on; this isn't how one treats customers.

(8 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Mar 25, 2013 01:22 PM

 

I am having the exact same problem, as we speak, with an item that was packed by the UPS Store, and a shipping cost of more tha $160!

(9 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Mar 27, 2013 08:25 AM

Same thing here. Sent a phone back to verizon..was visible damage to box and the phone was cracked in half! filed a claim..denied. filed an appeal..denied. Shipping with US Postal service from now on.

(10 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Mar 27, 2013 09:23 PM

Im dealing with this issue as well. I was told by UPS my original damage claim request is cancelled after I informed them that the receiver of the package shipped the package back to me. The package mustve been treated very rough because it was covered in styrofoam and then double bubble wrapped with the big bubbles. Bummer because the item is valued over $1500 and its cracked in several places and doesnt function. It seems UPS is geared towards finding ways to prevent us from collecting insurance. I never had this happen before and I ship about 100 items per year to buyers and this is the first time I used UPS as this was a special request by the buyer. Never will use UPS ever again!

(11 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Mar 29, 2013 11:36 AM

UPS Claims Dispute

Package was picked up by UPS at my home 2/15/13 (Friday) in Delaware

The item was wrapped and taped with card board, forming an inner box around the item, then $20.00 worth of bubble wrap was wrapped around that, and then it was placed in a box.  The box was not only taped closed at seams but several runs of packaging tape was used to tape in all directions to keep package secure.

If the packaging wasn’t adequate the driver should have said so.

Item is delivered 2/22/13 (Friday) in California

Packaged received at destination after delays by UPS stating address was wrong, which it was not.  Receiver calls the evening of delivery and states that the item is broken.  I request he take pictures and send, which he does immediately. 

The following day the claim is filed with UPS 2/23/13 (Saturday).  I am told by UPS representative that UPS will either, (1) Inspect the damage at receivers home, or (2) Pick up package and take it to UPS station for inspection, and then I would be contacted.

Feb 23 I receive an unknown $12.00 charge from UPS in email

March 2nd I receive an unknown $4.62 charge from UPS in email

After numerous (6-8) calls to UPS I am finally told the item is on its way back to me.  I inquire about the claim/inspection and am told it has not been inspected. 

March 9th I receive a $91.25 charge from UPS in email (return shipping from California to Delaware).

Additional calls are placed and confusion still continues on the part of UPS as to what is going on with this, like the call I received from the Delaware UPS station asking if this package was suppose too be coming to me or going to California? 

And still no answer regarding the claim. 

Finally on 3/15/13 (Friday) I receive a voice mail from UPS stating that the claim is denied because of improper packaging. 

Through the tracking number I see the package is scheduled for delivery on 3/18/13 (Monday).  It does not arrive until 3/20/13 (Wednesday).

The delivering driver is the same driver that picked up on 2/15/13.  The box doesn’t resemble a box, but looks more like a ball of cardboard and tape.  Looking at my expression the driver was curious and asked something like “what is going on with this”?  I told him the long story as he shook his head throughout.  I also told him that the claim was denied which he said was “normal”.  I explained the damage, a metal cover that was broken and he stated that in order for that to have happened the box must have been dropped.  I asked if he remembered picking up the package on 2/15/13 and he stated that he did, and that it was a late pickup (5pm) and that UPS had sent two trucks to pick up.  Yes, he remembered right, because as he was loading the box in his truck that night another UPS truck pulled up.  I asked what he thought of the packaging when he picked it up and he stated that “it seemed fine”. 

Upon my inspection, some of my original packaging materials are not present.

So in total about 5 weeks for UPS to handle this from start to finish. 

As for the damaged item, a replacement cover is probably about $100.  If UPS had inspected in California like they said they were going to do and contacted me I could have given the buyer the $100 for a new cover and story over.

In addition to all this, since the item was an eBay transaction, and with all of the delay, which I was faulted for, the buyer filed a formal complaint against me with both eBay and PayPal.  PayPal decided in the buyers favor, refunded him and back charged my account the selling price and shipping fees, a total of $1053.00. 

And of course my reputation as a seller on eBay has been tarnished.

(12 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Apr 8, 2013 12:24 PM

I am going through the same thing. I never would have used UPS had I known this. I am a small seller just getting started and they have denied my claim of $220. I packaged my stuff correctly 2 inches of bubble wrap surrounded by styrofoam there excuse is that I should have double boxed it. If I would have double boxed it there excuse would have been it was to fragile to ship. Whats the point of paying for insurance then? It upsets me I cant afford a loss like this. If your reading this then take our and countless others advice and do not use UPS unless you want to loose your money. All told between the shipping cost, original item costs and the $16 in bubble wrap I specifically bought for this item I am out $330. That hurts bad :(.

(13 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Apr 19, 2013 07:38 PM

The only thing I can think of as a consumer and low volume shipper is sending stuff using UPS but paying by credit card and dispute it through the credit card bank. They would be less likely to buy the UPS BS but I don't know if UPS could then ban you from using their service if your credit card company agrees with you and reverses the charges. At least if UPS violates their own policies or simple common sense applies to your case it should be a slam dunk case with your CC bank.

(14 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Apr 26, 2013 03:37 PM

Same issue!  I shipped 60 vintage pottery items, 43 made it safely, 17 were destroyed by UPS. 

They picked up the damaged items and returned them to the UPS store for me to pick up. I paid $150 for shipping (eBay only calculated $98 so that is what buyer paid and I paid the overage). Now UPS denies a problem even though 43 items made it safely to buyer!

 

I am definitely going to fight through my credit card company for the $150 I spent on shipping 3 boxes and items in each box were damaged.

 

The buyer has been great but I told him to send to eBay resolution because I don't really know what else to do.  Because the items were sold in a "lot" and many of the broken items were more valuable, I am not sure what to do so I guess I'll let eBay resolve it.

 

I will NEVER use UPS again, I do know that!  

(15 of 15)
Re: UPS Denies Claim. Unacceptable. How to proceed?
Apr 30, 2013 12:04 PM

EXACT SAME ISSUE I AM HAVING. I had my packages insured and when they arrived both boxes were trashed and the motor parts were a total loss. Now I am in fear of losing my credibility as a good seller with Ebay due to UPS. Both claims have been denied, twice, and I do not have the funds to send back to the seller (yes that is my own problem) but UPS needs to be dealt with...

                               Chris

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