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Miriam - could you please define handling time?

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Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 28, 2012 10:05 AM

There are several requests for clarification on this in different threads.

We need an Ebay definition of "business day" including weekends and holidays.

We also need an Ebay definition in regards to after business hours handling time - ie a buyer purchases at 8PM Sunday night.  Is one day Monday or Tuesday????????

There seems to be rife disagreement among sellers as to what the "policy" is.

Thank you!


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Miriam - could you please define handling time?

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Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 28, 2012 10:05 AM

There are several requests for clarification on this in different threads.

We need an Ebay definition of "business day" including weekends and holidays.

We also need an Ebay definition in regards to after business hours handling time - ie a buyer purchases at 8PM Sunday night.  Is one day Monday or Tuesday????????

There seems to be rife disagreement among sellers as to what the "policy" is.

Thank you!


Thanks for 12 wonderful years Humphrey! See you at Rainbow Bridge!

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 28, 2012 10:07 AM

Can we get some of the threads pinned?


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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 28, 2012 10:13 AM

Hi -

 

To answer your question, if the buyer pays for an item Sunday night, that is not a business day.  You will have until midnight pacific time Tuesday to upload the tracking.  Some sellers are able to ship on the weekends, and we encourage sellers to ship out as quickly as they can. 

 

 

Here's more information about the one-day handling time in our FAQ's:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/eTRSupdate.html#faq

 

 

Q: How do you measure “one business day”? How long will I have to upload tracking?

 

A: After a buyer has paid for an item, you will have until 11:59:59 pm Pacific Time the following business day to upload tracking. Weekends and holidays are not counted as business days.

 

Q: What about orders I get on a Friday or the day before a major holiday?

 

A: One-day handling means you upload tracking and ship within one business day—weekends and holidays don’t count as business days.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 28, 2012 10:52 AM

Hi -

 

To answer your question, if the buyer pays for an item Sunday night, that is not a business day.  You will have until midnight pacific time Tuesday to upload the tracking.  Some sellers are able to ship on the weekends, and we encourage sellers to ship out as quickly as they can.

 

 

Then what this also means is you are giving sellers on the east coast less time! I'm so glad that I'm not them being MST but still at standard time I lose 1 hiur of the 24 hours that I have to ship. During DST eastern time sellers will lose 3 hours. Does not seem fair at all!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(4 of 16)
Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:06 PM

Correction:  I misposted on this one.  If you have an order that gets paid for Sunday, you need to upload the tracking by midnight Monday (not Tuesday), since Monday is the following business day.

 

Sorry for any confusion created. 

 

Kristina

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:09 PM

Ok, here is a question that I'm not sure has been asked and hopefully a Pink will come along and give us an explaination.

 

For the sake of my little story, lets say I have a transaction that needs to ship USPS.  And keeping in mind that the Postal service as pretty much regular business hours with some minor changes. 

 

No lets say my buyer pays me at 9:00PM on Monday.  If I were to adhere to the 1 day handling time [which equals 24 hrs], I would need to ship the package by 9:00 PM on Tuesday, BUT the postal service isn't open that late.  So I actually can't ship the package until the next morning. 

 

Have I adhered to the 1 day handling?  If I haven't, why?  Or just what exactly is Ebay expecting us to do and still qualify for TRS and more importantly the discount.

 


********* Sellers need to have their Buyer Requirements [in Site preferences] set to the strictest possible for UIDs. 2 in 12. If all sellers would file UIDs when appropriate along w/having your settings at 2 in 12, it would cut down on NPBs. They would be blocked from bidding or purchasing from ALL sellers that had their setting 2 in 12. This is our best defense, but each of us is dependent upon other sellers following suit. This will dramatically reduce the non payers if we work together.

(6 of 16)
Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:16 PM

Hi mam98031,

 

In the example you provide below, you'd need to ship your item by 11:59 Pacific Time on Tuesday in order to qualify for one-day handling.

 

Not unexpectedly, most post offices aren't open in the wee hours, so I'd say you need it picked up/dropped off during the Tuesday business hours of your particular system.

 

Best,

 

Miriam

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:26 PM

Hi mam98031,

 

In the example you provide below, you'd need to ship your item by 11:59 Pacific Time on Tuesday in order to qualify for one-day handling.

 

Not unexpectedly, most post offices aren't open in the wee hours, so I'd say you need it picked up/dropped off during the Tuesday business hours of your particular system.

 

Best,

 

Miriam

 

So we DON'T have 1 day to ship.  It's pretty standard that 1 day means 24 hours.  It apparently means that to everyone BUT Ebay.  I'm honestly not trying to pick on you as I know you are not at fault for this.  But is seems unreasonable to FORCE us to so call SHIP something at a time when it can NOT possibly be shipped to meet Ebay's requirement.

 

So in other words we need to lie to our customers.  We need to make sure we print our labels on Ebay or PP so that it gives the APPEARANCE that we have shipped within 8 business hours.  Which is what this boils down to. 

 

Lets assume that post offices are opened from 9 AM to 5 PM.  That's 8 hours.  So while Ebay is telling us we need to ship within 24 hours, that isn't possible IF payment is received outside of the PO business hours, so sellers are required to ship in LESS than 24 hours and many time significantly less time UNLESS we lie to our customers and say it was shipped when in fact it was not.

 

Really, Ebay is going to REQUIRE that the lie to our customers?!?!?!?!?


********* Sellers need to have their Buyer Requirements [in Site preferences] set to the strictest possible for UIDs. 2 in 12. If all sellers would file UIDs when appropriate along w/having your settings at 2 in 12, it would cut down on NPBs. They would be blocked from bidding or purchasing from ALL sellers that had their setting 2 in 12. This is our best defense, but each of us is dependent upon other sellers following suit. This will dramatically reduce the non payers if we work together.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:28 PM

Hi mam98031,

 

In the example you provide below, you'd need to ship your item by 11:59 Pacific Time on Tuesday in order to qualify for one-day handling.

 

Not unexpectedly, most post offices aren't open in the wee hours, so I'd say you need it picked up/dropped off during the Tuesday business hours of your particular system.

 

Best,

 

Miriam

 

How would eBay know that was done?

 

Will sellers need to get an Acceptance scan to prove time of deposit?  USPS regulations would allow me to drop that prepaid pacakge with Tuesday's date on it in any "blue box" or APC mailbox at any time before the box is emptied the next day (Wednesday).

 

It would make more sense for eBay to measure time by when the label is printed (or other tracking information uploaded) rather than referring to the time that the item is actually "picked up/dropped off" since that time is often unknown.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:31 PM

I think "Next day" means "before midnight Pacific time on the next business day."  Not "within 24 hours."  For instance, if the buyer pays any time on Monday and you print the label any time on Tuesday (i.e., before midnight pacific time) that's the next day?

(10 of 16)
Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:36 PM

Referring to the hours that a PO is open makes absolutely no sense at all. Sellers can print labels 24 hours a day and can drop off items in blue boxes or APC centers 24/7 also. I am a 10-minute subway ride from a major sorting center that's open 24/7. And without an Acceptance scan, you don't know the time something was "mailed" anyway even if it was over-the-counter at the PO.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:43 PM

No arguement from me.  Absolutely, we can print labels 24/7.  That was NEVER my concern.  And the new requirements coming does NOT say we have 1 day label printing time.  Just because you print a label does not mean you have shipped the item. 

 

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and I'm not trying to pick on the Ebay Employee that comes here to try and help.  I'm just trying to get a clear understanding so that if I choose to do this I understand what is expected of me.


********* Sellers need to have their Buyer Requirements [in Site preferences] set to the strictest possible for UIDs. 2 in 12. If all sellers would file UIDs when appropriate along w/having your settings at 2 in 12, it would cut down on NPBs. They would be blocked from bidding or purchasing from ALL sellers that had their setting 2 in 12. This is our best defense, but each of us is dependent upon other sellers following suit. This will dramatically reduce the non payers if we work together.

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Miriam - a further definition of uploading tracking?
Feb 29, 2012 02:44 PM

Buyer pays for item on Sunday at 2:00 pm, Feb 26th.

I print label thru eBay on Monday at 9:00pm, Feb 27th - which is within the 1 business day time frame.

eBay label system has printed the postage out DATED Feb 28 -- (eBay labels seem to change date at 5:00 pm to the next day...)

 

Will having that date show as Feb 28 count against me as if I took 2 days to mail... when I actually had the label printed prior to midnight Monday which is within the requirements...??

 

 


I put off things. But it's okay. I bought the book The Idiots Guide to Breaking Bad habits because it has a chapter on Procrastination. that was 4 years ago. I haven't read it yet........................Cats or dogs? You choose. Dogs devotedly follow their pack leader--you. Cats dart in front of you because they have to lead -- even if they don't know where you're going.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:46 PM

And part of the clarification that is needed is a definition of "shipping"! Does it mean "dropped in the mailbox" or "label printed/tracking uploaded"? That's a huge difference and I'm pretty sure that somewhere in this mess I read that it's based on the time that the label was printed, even if the date chosen is not the current one. Let's hope that eBay digests this all and issues come clearer summaries of the new policies.

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Re: Miriam - could you please define handling time?
Feb 29, 2012 02:55 PM

And part of the clarification that is needed is a definition of "shipping"! Does it mean "dropped in the mailbox" or "label printed/tracking uploaded"? That's a huge difference and I'm pretty sure that somewhere in this mess I read that it's based on the time that the label was printed, even if the date chosen is not the current one. Let's hope that eBay digests this all and issues come clearer summaries of the new policies.

 

Excellent point.  And then once Ebay decides what it really means, will that be the same understanding that our buyers will have.  This is really going to hurt sellers.


********* Sellers need to have their Buyer Requirements [in Site preferences] set to the strictest possible for UIDs. 2 in 12. If all sellers would file UIDs when appropriate along w/having your settings at 2 in 12, it would cut down on NPBs. They would be blocked from bidding or purchasing from ALL sellers that had their setting 2 in 12. This is our best defense, but each of us is dependent upon other sellers following suit. This will dramatically reduce the non payers if we work together.

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Re: Miriam - a further definition of uploading tracking?
Feb 29, 2012 02:56 PM

oh.. and Mam... (hello!) Miriam the Pink did say she messed up on the date listing... an order paid for on Sunday must have Postage printed by midnight Monday.

 

So... if a person paid on Sunday at 8:00 am, the label must be printed by Monday Midmight, which is 36 hours later, not less than 24 hours, but which means, in reality, the package goes out Tuesday... or actually, if the seller is cheating, the package could go out Wed or Thursday... my PO does not scan all packages, I've found most aren't being scanned untill delivery, so there's no way for eBay to know if I actually mailed it on Tuesday..

 

Also.. that leads me to another question.. if a person pays on Friday at 4:00pm... then the label has to be printed by... midnight Monday..?


I put off things. But it's okay. I bought the book The Idiots Guide to Breaking Bad habits because it has a chapter on Procrastination. that was 4 years ago. I haven't read it yet........................Cats or dogs? You choose. Dogs devotedly follow their pack leader--you. Cats dart in front of you because they have to lead -- even if they don't know where you're going.

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Re: Miriam - a further definition of uploading tracking?
Feb 29, 2012 03:16 PM

Hi all,

 

Once the buyer's payment clears, sellers have until the 11:59 PT the next business day to upload tracking. Holidays and weekends don't count as business days.

 

A lot of people are asking at precisely which time do they then need to get the package into the mail stream/post office/hands of the mail carrier. The answer here is pretty simple - get it into the mail as quickly as possible so that you can score 1) either an automatic 5-star DSR for shipping time for fast delivery or (if that's not an option) 2) a 5-star DSR and a happy customer. If you wait a day, two days, you lose the chance at the auto-5 star and risk the buyer becoming impatient.

 

The point of requiring a quick handling time of Top-rated sellers is to get the package into the mail and into the hands of the buyer faster - creating more good buyer experiences and repeat customers.

 

Best,

 

Miriam

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