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Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 08:46 AM

Can you explain the requirement to NOT allow borders on pictures? I can understand about the text, but why not a border?

 

Borders around pictures, and text added to pictures, will no longer be allowed.

 

Most of mine have a very thin border. Will I have to change all these (over 3000) pictures?

 

Does this appy only to the top picture?

If I also have pictures withing my description using ny own html to insert, does it also apply to those?

 

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Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures

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Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 08:46 AM

Can you explain the requirement to NOT allow borders on pictures? I can understand about the text, but why not a border?

 

Borders around pictures, and text added to pictures, will no longer be allowed.

 

Most of mine have a very thin border. Will I have to change all these (over 3000) pictures?

 

Does this appy only to the top picture?

If I also have pictures withing my description using ny own html to insert, does it also apply to those?

 

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by jess@ebay.com (0) View Listings
(24 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:30 AM

Jess,

 

RE your comment:  "The border policy is meant to help sellers not hinder them."

 

Then please just make this a suggestion instead of a requirement!

 

You also state you are trying to help get the pcitures indexed.  Not getting indexed should be its own punishment.

(25 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:35 AM

Hi All-

 

Thanks for the comments. The border policy is meant to help sellers not hinder them. Outside search engines do not promote pictures which have borders and we want sellers to get the most visitors to your view item page as possible. In addition we want pictures to be somewhat standardized in order to improve the scanability and readability of our pages.

 

In response to the question about postcards. We understand the concern and take this concern back and do further research in this area.

 

-Jess/Seller Standards

 

I am supposing this assertion with regard to "promotion" on outside search engines, can be substantiated with some "technical" information?   Perhaps you could point us to this information? 

 

As on the surface it makes no sense to me...  A border consists of pixels, just as the image does, so why would it affect photos being promoted, if the description of the item attached to the photo matches keyword terms searched?  

 

Also, if you look at my listings as an example, I rely heavily on gallery collage photos to promote my MANY variation listings, as a visual "catalog cue" so to speak, identifying there are multiple styles or colors available which MATCH the keywords they typed in.   eBay has given us every indication they DESIRE to promote variation listings, in the interest of decluttering the site with duplicate listings, or even nearly identical items.

 

So, are you telling me now, that you are going to "mandate"  away the images I use to market these variation listings? 

 

We need more clarification please.  As this would certainly "hinder" shoppers who are browsing my store.  For instance...to take adantage of my combined shipping discount by locating other items they may like to purchase.   

 

 


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(26 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:39 AM

Hi All,

 

Thanks for all the comments around flat media. We will take everybody's comments into consideration when implementing the annouced policy around borders.

 

-Jess/Seller Standards

(27 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:42 AM

 

Typically I put the name of the Brand under each picture, so that the buyer can distinguish them from one another at a glance.

 

 

I often put BRAND text in my pix as well. This is to distinguis RALPH Lauren, from ELLIOTT Lauren, or ANNE Klein from CALVIN Klein (for example), since many buyers don't even bother reading the description.

 

Also, what about pictures of the labels THEMSELVES, which are always in text?

 

Buyers ALWAYS want to see a pic of the designer label to confirm it IS authentic.

(28 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:45 AM

bhazelrigg, thanks for your replies.

 

I think it would be helpful if eBay showed examples of what kinds of borders are acceptible and what kinds aren't.

 

When I list a postcard that shows a little of the black background from my scanner and crop the image to leave a small amount of the black background so you can see the paper edge, the results look very similar to how they would look if I added a black border on top.

 

If the policing is going to be done through reports from other members, I'm concerned that many listings will be reported that just have a background showing.

 

 


Pat

(29 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 10:45 AM

Wait - I was thinking this meant decorative/overlaid borders.  Is this image going to be a problem now because it is not cropped EXACTLY to the edge:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vtg-1986-Overstreet-Comic-Book-Price-Guide-16-Hardcover-Nice-Unused-Marvel-Ann-/00/s/ODAwWDUyMQ==/$%28KGrHqN,!lME6CWISze5BOi1PBDR0g~~60_3.JPG

(30 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 11:14 AM

Wait - I was thinking this meant decorative/overlaid borders.  Is this image going to be a problem now because it is not cropped EXACTLY to the edge:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vtg-1986-Overstreet-Comic-Book-Price-Guide-16-Hardcover-Nice-Unused-Marvel-Ann-/00/s/ODAwWDUyMQ==/$%28KGrHqN,!lME6CWISze5BOi1PBDR0g~~60_3.JPG

 

I think they're saying that would be allowed. The problem I see is if other eBayers report listings like this (and like mine) with a background and the person who sees the report doesn't look carefully and just ends the listings.


Pat

(31 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 11:30 AM

I'll give you the absolute truthful answer even though Ebay would probably not say so; it's so that borders are purchased for each listing and relisting through ebay. Everything ebay does in the name of "helping sellers" is designed for Ebay profit. No text on pictures? Then just purchase an extended title / description.

Now buyers can click a link on ebay to return items "through ebay's shipping" for who's benefit? Buyers? Ebays?

(32 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 11:31 AM

I'll give you the absolute truthful answer even though Ebay would probably not say so; it's so that borders are purchased for each listing and relisting through ebay. Everything ebay does in the name of "helping sellers" is designed for Ebay profit. No text on pictures? Then just purchase an extended title / description.

Now buyers can click a link on ebay to return items "through ebay's shipping" for who's benefit? Buyers? Ebays?

(33 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 11:46 AM

Here's a sample of a typical listing of mine. Can a Pink please tell me if this is ok or not? The search engine I used to find it had no trouble with it at all:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clapsaddle-Fairy-Owl-Mushroom-Valentine-REPRO-GREETING-CARD-/150750481237?pt=Greeting_Cards&hash=item23196dcb55

(34 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 11:50 AM

Hi All,

 

Thanks for all the comments around flat media. We will take everybody's comments into consideration when implementing the annouced policy around borders.

 

-Jess/Seller Standards

 

Nothin' personal Jess - we all know you're just a voice piece here - but if the 'scripted' part that read this was intended to be a 'help' to sellers and not a hinderance were really true, then couldn't one surmise such an intent might have involved actually....oh I don't know.....ASKING a seller or two just HOW this might help?

 

Because I, for one, grow increasingly less able to stand all the 'help' eBay continues to insist is in 'my' best interest - as a seller OR a buyer here, without bothering to be concerned with how much DAMAGE results instead.

 

Good of you to 'promise' having it 're-visited' prior to 'enabling' it though.  Perhaps you can appreciate precisely how much that re-assures everyone around here, that some actual 'investigation' might actually occur - and an eBay promise might be actually kept.  In light of it being already announced and all that - and with respect to how eBay has 'listened to all the noise' at this point.

 

And the fact you personally, for all your 'weight', have provided that reassurance.

 

 


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(35 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 28, 2012 12:57 PM

Hi snappyauctions14,

 

We will be revisting the border policy for media inventory to ensure that the intent of the policy meets the needs of buyers.

 

-Jahan

(36 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 29, 2012 01:16 PM

Does this mean that if I photograph a book or a set of books laying on a table, it's OK?  Plain backdrop, most of which is cropped out anyway?

(37 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 29, 2012 01:24 PM

Hi myhomeschooldelights,

 

Yes, if you photograph a book or set of books lying on a table, your photo will be fine. 


Christine

(38 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 29, 2012 01:52 PM

Thank you so much for clarifying this, Christine!!

(39 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 29, 2012 02:33 PM

I routinely scan photos, postcards, greeting cards and other small paper items.  It is imperative to have a BACKGROUND so that the edges of the material are clearly visible.  Buyers are very picky about edges so being able to show any bumps, tears, rips, creases or crinkles is VITAL to presenting an honest evaluation of the condition.

 

For this purpose, I place a turquoise silk scarf over the item and then scan.  Later I crop away all but a narrow BACKGROUND -- usually about 1/8" to 1/4" -- in order to maximize the subject.  Sometimes I use red, green or yellow paper to harmonize with colors in the subject of the scan.

 

This is NOT a decorative border.  It is no different than photographing a book or any other rectangular object lying flat on the table and allowing a portion of the table or a table cover to be visible.  The contrasting BACKGROUND is intended to show scale and edge detail as well as provide a clean, colorful image to attract buyers.

 

So many sellers of 3-dimensional objects use cluttered backgrounds -- including the kitchen sink!   These are the ones who should be advised to clean up their images, not sellers who must show edge detail against a contrasting BACKGROUND.

 

~~C~~

 

 



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(40 of 40)
Re: Requirement for NO BORDERS on pictures
Feb 29, 2012 02:51 PM

Hi duchess,

 

The concern around borders and post cards/printed media has been brought up in several times and we will take these valid concerns back and seeing how we can work the needs of this items into our policy. We 100% agree that their is a need to see the edges of the product and are interested in keeping this portion of our business vibrant. Look for future updates on what we will do around this issue....

 

-Jess

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