This site shows the Camille Naudot mark and the Newcomb mark ('C' for Camille Naudot, and 'N' for Newcomb). Link

tkkelly... yes, while that site you reference does show the correct Naudot and Newcomb marks,
the problem is that no true Naudot EVER shows up on ebay or from the internet sellers. Chris'
point is valid, the marks guides NEVER mention japan and never note the style/forms/decoration that
Naudot used which gives the impression that this N over C mark is Naudot. This is even more
egregious for the 'Pictoral marks guides' which show japanese ceramics/the marks and identified as Naudot.
I mentioned these errors to the Kovels more that 20 years ago, and they were not interested. It is
clear that some of this info is getting out of this board as ebay prices for 'Naudot' have plummeted but
that is not enough. I could care less about value than proper attribution and references. Since I
have been quite remiss in putting a NC mark website together I will provide Chris all the info I
have. I see a wonderful future where a Google search for Naudot finds a website that gives the best
info we can find.

Here is what I can add for now.

The true Naudot NC mark is underglaze painted blue (I have no picture only have seen it
behind glass in a museum). There are no additional markings such as the alphanumeric codes found on many
of the japanese imports.

Naudot made no figures, period. Naudot pieces are simply shaped vases, boxes and such with delicate
enameled decoration in the Sevres style. I have pictures but no permission to publish them.
Naudot made no anthropomorphic pieces (those are mostly PY)

Naudot is very rare, I have seen three authentic pieces in almost 30 years. If a true Naudot piece were
to be found on ebay, it would make $$$$, which has never happened.

The NC mark is also seen on German porcelains (such as the one last week) we have permission to use this
mark.

I am out of town so can't send the photos I have. While I do believe it would be academically nice to indentify
this mark of primary concern is to instruct people that there are vastly better answers than Naudot.
Newcomb is another concern but one usually doesn't have to do a lot of arm twisting to convince people their
porcelain cupid was not by Newcomb college.

Yea!

More people are going to do the work!

The page I am working on is only the linking page to reference pages for the various imitator marks.

Here is the bad start of what we talked about a few months ago.

Porcelain & Pottery Marks Common Misidentification

I have added a spot for Naudot. While you are there, please provide feedback about the "How To" section on the PG&P Web Pages - How To - New Section - Suggestions & Comments thread, not here. Let's keep this thread clean for the CN-NC mark and make Chris work easier!

Chris thank you! There are several people on this board who will appreciate clearing up the matter of the CN-NC mark! Yeah, I know it is not a Naudot piece, but who is it?

MD & Athena thank you for providing Chris with what you have.

I'll go round up my CN marks from all the various places on my hard drives. You are welcome to use my marks without any attributions.

MD - are you an artist? Can you create a drawing of an authentic Naudot mark?

gs
ginni ~ B0HEMIAN Porcelain & Pottery Reference Site

Whether the CN-NC mark is European or Japanese, it causes confusion.

Chris may be only volunteering to handle the European version, as European porcelain is more of his expertise (I think - do not be offended Chris).

Still though, collecting all the marks in one place so that "we" know where they are is a good idea. We may want to consider a backup location so data is not lost.

Once the marks are collected and Chris gets a look at the project, he can tell us whether he can take on both European and Japanese, or just one. If he cannot do both, then half of it is done! We can worry about the other half next. If it takes two pages to accomplish this, so be it.

gs
ginni ~ B0HEMIAN Porcelain & Pottery Reference Site

I think the distinction between European and Asian CN NC is a spurious one. I have at least one example of CN NC with the Coronet label of an exporter, George Borgfeldt Co., NYC, and I've seen a "German" CN NC piece with the same label, though I don't have the picture (didn't get permission).


____________________________________________ Athena

So many books, so little time.

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green mark #1, with Acme
greeen mark #2, with Miyao
green mark #3, with PY mark and UCAGCO label


____________________________________________ Athena

So many books, so little time.