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**** PANIC **** Attacks- What Causes Them?
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**** PANIC **** Attacks- What Causes Them?
Nov 21, 2003 05:15 AM
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Hello Everyone, and welcome! Has anybody suffered a panic attack? I'm not talking anxiety, I'm talking a full blown heart pounding, palms sweating, think I'm going crazy panic attack! I wonder what causes them? Does anybody truly know? Experts in bahavior think panic attacks are passed down through heredity, but are they? I used to suffer horrible panic attacks years back when I was ill, as I could not bear to be in my house ALONE, and in pain. I would just about beg my husband to stay home from work, instead of being by myself. After a long period of this, my husband had no recourse but to resign from his position and stay home with me. Since then, I worked through hypnosis tapes that finally worked it's magic and allowed me to take control of my life. My husband started a new job in a new state, and I listened to my tape every morning until I was able to be comfortable with being alone. But, it took ALOT of hard work, patience, and willpower. Feel free to share your story, here. Thank you, Pearl
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**** PANIC **** Attacks- What Causes Them?
Nov 21, 2003 06:26 AM
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I'm not a psychologist but I believe when the brain realizes a situation it cannot cope with, a "panic attack" results. Anxiety is essentially a weak panic attack. Everything in nature works to avoid stress (or to take the path of least resistance, as a scientist would say), so when a sudden stressful event takes place, the brain evaluates such event and takes action such as you have described. It is quite possible however, that heredity plays a role in regard as to how strongly we react to stressful situations ~ Happy is he who can discover the causes of things, for thereby he has mastered all fear, and is throned above fate. -- Goethe ~
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Nov 24, 2003 07:59 PM
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I've had panic attacks since I was a child. They were only diagnosed a year ago. I got on meds and rarely ever have one. Sometimes it's caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If your attacks are affecting your husband and family I'd say it's time to get help. You don't always have to deal with shrinks either. A family doctor can prescribe meds. You're not alone and you don't have to live with panic.
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Nov 25, 2003 01:15 PM
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Pearl: It is my understanding that "panic attacks" can be associated with a/o result of hormonal fluctuations. By charting attacks with respect to day, date and time, it may be possible to correlate the attacks with a variable catalyst, ie: food supplements, birth control pills, hormone replacement drugs, marital relations a/o lack there of, etc. Bes
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Dec 1, 2003 10:58 PM
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WHY NOT FEEL ANXIETY? When you feel anxiety, for God's sake, are you not at least feeling???!!! I've been there and I thought I would die. AT LEAST YOU'RE FEELING!!! It took me years to know this. I should say with counseling. I also should say I had the best. I can't under-estimate that I had the best. Stay numb if you have to, but you will not have a so-called nervous breakdown if you CHOOSE to feel. It will only feel uncomfortable. By the way, there is no such thing as a nervous breakdown, as far as "going nuts". To those of you who think you are crazy, the really crazy ones DO NOT THINK THEY ARE CRAZY...
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Dec 5, 2003 12:29 AM
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Wow, if you had real pain, the docs should of given you at least an electrocardiogram, at the start and when you had them with such increased frequency. I've had episodes of similar symptoms minus the pain (but for some brief "jabs" and pressure) and the sweating, and I was set up on the monitor and had a blood test straight away. Anyway, I've only had medicine for anxiety lately, and it doesn't take away any of my emotional feelings. I'm just not having debilitating episodes. I used to just ride them out years ago, and they eventually went away, but the later set felt different and more extreme and were getting unmanageable otherwise. For anyone who hasn't had such attacks, they may seem to be a personality weakness or other "feelings" problem. Whatever they are, they are experienced as physical symptoms with the chest which are themselves frightening.
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Dec 5, 2003 02:47 AM
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WOW if only my dad could see this thread!. My father suffers from panic attacks daily. At first they started like his muscles were tightening ... it now has progressed as tremors that run up his arm and sometimes makes him clench his fist. Other times it runs down his legs and he has uncontrollable shakes or jerks. Of course it took us a while to get him to the Dr who said that he had unusually low testosterone levels. Since hes been on Andro Gel (Testosterone) it has helped but he still has those attacks, which are mostly at night. I've been trying to get him to go to the same medical center that I go to so he can have vitamin B-12 shots but of course hes stubborn. I myself suffer from PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) and I used to cramp every single day of my life, they were so bad that I would be bedridden for days. I have since been on a remedy to where I go in for weekly vitamin shots of B-12 which has helped alot! along with more pill form vitamins. If any of you are familiar with PCOS then you would know that weight is also a factor of this syndrome. Since I have started on this vitamin regimen I can say I have lost over 30lbs and still losing. I have heard studys relate vitamin B-12 being essential to the nervous system. Could there be a connection to essential vitamins that the body lacks that could be causing these attacks? A neighbor of ours who had a nervous breakdown last year also has panic attacks. Her life is a sad one and she could not cope with all the stress that went on with her life so she just broke down and ended up in a mental facility. When she was released we had noticed that she has a huge bald spot on the back of her head to where she had pulled out her hair and she would walk back and forth unable to sit still. She also forgot daily routines that we do in our everyday lives from brushing our teeth to going to sleep. She would have these attacks then she would unknowing rock herself over and over. Over months we have taken her in for vitamin shots as well as medication/ counseling to ease her into accepting the facts of her life situation. Since then in combination of the vitamins and medication she has returned to 60%. Von~
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Dec 7, 2003 07:55 AM
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Panic attacks DO occur when your mind is pushed to the brink of instability, I found out. I was literally scared out of my wits to be in my house alone, with my pain. Not only that.. I woke before the alarm would go off and experience PRE panic attack feelings, of being alone. Anybody that has suffered panic attacks is aware of pre panic, as you feel like you cannot relax and are always in the "mode" of progressing into panic attacks. As I said before, a reversal of health and hypnosis helped me immensely. I require no medication, and all it takes is believing I am calm and relaxed. It was VERY difficult to break through to the other side, to coin Jim Morrison's song. But it isn't impossible. If anyone requires help, I'm here to offer my advice. HP HP
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Dec 17, 2003 06:12 PM
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I have panic attacks when my breathing shuts down and I can not get any air into my lungs. I played h____ teaching myself to calm down cuz it was getting to the point where I didn't want to go out in public for fear of having an attack. I can't stop the breathing problem but I could and did learn to calm myself enough. this usually happens when I am under excessive amount of stress and no sleep. panic attacks are no joy ride that is for sure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nobody made a greater mistake than he who
did nothing because he could only do a little.
~Edmund Burke
Blessed are the cracked for it is
they that let the light in.
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Dec 18, 2003 07:57 AM
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I used to get major panic attacks while driving---I would have to pull over---sometimes get out and try to walk around--I always felt like I was smothering---everytime I would get one I would feel like I was gonna die---Since I have been on zoloft they have stopped but I am still uncomfortable and have anxiety symptoms from time to time. People who don't have this disease (YES it is a DISEASE) DO NOT have the slightest idea of what I am talking about when I would try to explain it but everybody who has it knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about!!
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Dec 18, 2003 03:00 PM
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mac that is so true they don't understand. my dr on the last visit wanted to put me on something but I take so much for the asthma that I just can't bare to take any more med. I never suffered from them until my last marriage and that is what started it. but those were just aniety attacks. the panic attacks started when the dr said I didn't have asthma and not to take the med the other dr gave me. I ended up in the hospital icu for 6 days cuz of that. I only had 40% oxygen in my blood and was turning grey before I told my son I had better go to the hospital. I thought it was all in my head. I can't be in a car with all the windows up. at least one has to be down a little. I need the air movement or I panic. I have only passed out 2xs from the attacks and lack of air but it's enough to not want to do it again. they tried the hormones on me but I turn into a raging b___ on them so I can't take them. it's not a funny or fun issue that is for sure. I feel for anyone who has them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nobody made a greater mistake than he who
did nothing because he could only do a little.
~Edmund Burke
Blessed are the cracked for it is
they that let the light in.
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Dec 19, 2003 06:07 AM
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Mac and Grim, I know exactly what you go through.. Panic attacks are hell on earth and beyond. Before I discovered hypnosis and focusing on my mantra ( I am calm and relaxed) I thought I was losing my mind. I feared being left in my house alone so much I flew out of the house sweating and heart and pulse racing, and walked up and down the street looking for some one, ANYONE to talk to me. My condition was so bad, my husband was forced to resign from his high paying job to sit home with me and assure me I was going to be ok. It was the hardest challenge I ever had to face in my life to bring myself back to my former weight ( I dropped to a size 7, being a former 13) and more importantly, my former health. I was amazed to discover my dad has panic attacks also. Many times my mom and him would be packed up to leave for a few days getaway by car, and they would have to turn around and go BACK home because my dad started having severe anxiety. His home is his refuge, with everything safe and familiar to him. When I was having panic attacks, foods containing acids would also set my anxiety off. So, I used Pepcid fairly regularly. That helped, alot. To this day, I still have the feelings or waves of anxiety leading to a panic attack and it happens anywheres, but I work through it by listening to my hypnosis tape, deep breathing, reciting my mantra. In my opinion, it is the worst experience I have ever endured. Its's odd too, that you're never really cured of them. Medicine, hypnosis may help control them, but they are with you like a shadow. Pearl
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Dec 20, 2003 11:14 AM
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Pearl that is so true about them being a shadow. I worry sometimes that I might have one in public. I am alway on the look-out to avoid areas that might bring one on. It's hard to concentrate on controlling them when people are talking to you or in a busy area. Most of the time I won't go into large stores unless someone is with me just in case. I absolutely hate being dependent on anyone and this has been something I have been working on by making myself go there w/o anyone with me. It took a couple times leaving the house before I could do it. I can't breath in excessive stilled heat (100 plus degrees) and will avoid going anywhere on a hot day. I have broken down 2x in the car and was victim to the heat while waiting for someone to stop and help me (funny story about one of times, with dogs coming to my rescue). If I could afford a cell phone I think I would be more at ease going out by myself in the heat. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nobody made a greater mistake than he who
did nothing because he could only do a little.
~Edmund Burke
Blessed are the cracked for it is
they that let the light in.
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Dec 22, 2003 05:59 AM
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Grimmy- Do what I do, carry a paper fan with you during warm or humid days, at all times. Then, when you're feeling flushed and overheated, fan yourself and the cool air circulating around your face DOES help. ~ Pearl
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Dec 27, 2003 07:32 PM
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thanks for the suggestion pearl. will see if that works come summer time. I love the 110 degree heat and miss being out in it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nobody made a greater mistake than he who
did nothing because he could only do a little.
~Edmund Burke
Blessed are the cracked for it is
they that let the light in.
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Jan 1, 2004 11:43 PM
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Wow what a great topic. I don’t have them as often as some here but have had them. I’ve had three panic attacks in my life ..one when I was about 22 years old a new mother and babysitting for other people. All was well with me other than I did go through Post pardom blues…that lasted I swear a year. Adrenaline rushes and the fear of harming my baby especially being left alone seemed to trigger this. That was sad but I now know it had to be a chemical thing. In those days it was never spoke of. My first experience with panic attack happened shortly after the year of being a new mother. I was inside a busy store and all of a sudden I stood in the middle of the isle and thought I was loosing control of my mind and body function. It only lasted a minute or so. Scary…. I regained control pretty quickly and really never spoke of it to any one. Never happened again for another 24 years later. Turning forty things began to change for me. I was driving with my grown daughter maybe 6 years ago we were climbing over the hill of a bridge and all of a sudden traffic was at a stand still…I was trapped. I freaked out. I truly thought I was loosing my mind.and for sure I thought I was having a heart attack...it raced/and pounded like crazy. 5 miles an hour to 75 miles an hour in secounds. I didn’t say anything to my daughter till after it was well over I mean a month or so later. But I just about got out of the truck and was going to tell my daughter she will have to drive the truck because I was loosing it. LOOSING MY MIND! Going through it was awful. I didn’t want my daughter to worry but thought pretty soon I didn’t have a choice. She was going to have a crazy woman driving the truck if I continued and kept silent. I began to breath very deep and concentrate on my breathing and slowly but surely it went away. It was SO SCARY!!!!. It was the worst. Then one more ….more recent not as violent. I was at my dentist. I new the visit would be a long one and the assistant confirmed this as I waited in the seat. All of a sudden it came on slower than the last but I started a panic attack. This time I was able to get control and recognize what was going on. It was a light one. I think I was feeling smothered knowing they had me locked up in the chair. Which like any normal human being knows dentist are not fun! Lol! I love my dentist but knowing the confinement I guess overwhelmed me. But the worst was on that bridge one beautiful summer afternoon. ….I will never forget it. It was frightening. I’ve always known I was a bit cloister phobic but didn’t know how bad. Also I feel it is a chemical thing and stress related…each time I felt I was scattered in my life. Each one of my girlfriends would confide in me over a weird thing that happened to them …and going through it myself a couple times I was able to understand what had happened to them. They didn’t really know what they were. Either did I I just began to listen to other peoples experiences and they sounded like the experience I had. My son of 24 years would also get them. I guess quite regularly. He told me it usually happens coming home after work to a house he shared with a room mate. He would freeze at the thought of leaving the house again. My poor baby! Lol! Thanks you guys for the experience! Nice to know other people have learned to live with it and can share with others.If it became a constant problem not sure if I could deal with it with out seeing a doctor about it. But they far and few inbetween so far.Pretty scary thing.
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Jan 6, 2004 10:05 AM
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Hello back and welcome aboard, you're- not- the- boss- of me (interesting user, btw...) Yes, panic attacks are very scary and no joke. Listening to a favorite song helps too, and go ahead and hug yourself if you need comforting. When you experiece a panic attack, you feel like you're all alone. In fact, I thought I was losing my mind and my friend suggested a stay in a mental hospital would do me good. When I signed in at the hospital, the staff removed my Christmas tree pin from my coat in case I thought of harmning myself or others. I can recall crying inside, because I didn't belong there. Next, they removed my belt and shoe laces, and I felt strange without them. I was there only for an overnight, because I knew I didn't belong. I'd rather deal with my panic attacks and get through them, which I did. My husband then resigned from his job and stayed home to care for me. But I began the long fight uphill to turn my health around, and I suceeded. I can still recall the night I said to hell with it- and ate almost a whole quart of ice cream! I hadn't tasted ice cream for almost two years, because my illness dictated I couldn't. I just didn't care anymore, and so I indulged. Well, nothing happened. I didn't experience any pain wonder of wonders, but my clothes definitely started to fit me better. I had dropped from a size 13 to a size 7 because I was afraid to eat. And so I began eating ice cream EVERY night. We were planning to move to Florida, and by the time it took for us to haul the U Haul there, I was up two sizes. I had to stop in at Walmart to buy new clothes, and that was a joy for me. Why I'm telling you this is sometimes when a person is pushed to the very limit of their sanity such as I was with my illness, they begin to DOUBT their own sanity. And that fact alone, is enough to start panic attacks to happen. Once in a while, I have to leave crowded malls because the overwhelming noise causes my heart to race- and that's a first warning sign. So, when I get outside I take a deep breath of air, and I start to calm down. Panic attacks can hit you anywheres, anytime. I've been anxious watching for my husband in a store, when he is late upon our agreed meeting time. But, slow breathing- and repeating my mantra (I am calm and relaxed) helps me. Pearl
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Feb 28, 2004 08:32 AM
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Just my 2 cents worth of advice…you should call an ambulance if you present with any shortness of breath and/or chest pain, regardless of whether you think it is a panic attack or not. These priority symptoms are recognized globally as potentially indicative of cardiac problems and will get you an emergency ambulance response. Typical signs and symptoms of an AMI (heart attack) are crushing chest pain, shortness of breath, profuse sweating, pain to left shoulder/left arm – but not necessarily all together. A heart attack can also be pain free (“Silent MI”). Don’t drive or get taken to the doctor or hospital yourself if an ambulance is an option, as paramedics carry life saving drugs and will usually confirm cardiac problems via an EKG/ECG. “Time is Myocardium” (Heart Muscle) and the longer a cardiac patient is left without hi flow oxygen, nitro spray, aspirin, morphine, etc, the more (irreversible) damage is being done to the heart. In reference to the original panic attack topic – panic attacks are more often typified by rapid breathing (hyperventilation) which can result in a tingling or a pins and needles sensation to the fingers/extremities and may progress to “tetany” – a sort of clamping up of the hands. These signs are unlikely in a heart attack. In this presentation a person’s oxygen level in their blood (SpO2) will also be very high – something a trained paramedic will pick up on very quickly. Best treatment is to *focus on slowing breathing right down* and the symptoms should subside. As to the cause, well it is usually "reactive" to a specific cause such as any psychological trigger unique to the person, and that is in no way meant to belittle it as a condition. See a counsellor or doctor to look at medication or other management options. Sorry that’s a bit long winded, but if it helps just one ebayer..............emadex (paramedic)
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Feb 28, 2004 11:09 AM
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I've always thought of my panic attacks as "fight or flight" responses to either consciously or unconsciously perceived threats. Or, are panic attacks and "fight or flight" responses two different things?
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Feb 28, 2004 08:08 PM
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beaddance – The fight or flight response is not really the same as a panic attack, although some of the feelings experienced may be similar. For example, when a person feels threatened by say a near car accident or violent assailant then the fight or flight response will kick in as a means of self preservation – e.g. get the hell out there or attempt to defeat the threat! This is the case for pretty much anybody, no matter how tough or timid they are and I think we have all experienced this type of event at some time. Panic attacks on the other hand are a psychologically triggered event with the cause/trigger being unique to the sufferer – e.g. unlikely to cause a similar response, or fight or flight response, in most other people. Many sufferers are not consciously aware of the trigger and so it is often difficult for panic attack sufferers to accept that it is a panic attack taking place. There are some excellent resources and support groups for this condition on the internet. (Are you allowed to post URL’s on ebay?)
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Feb 29, 2004 03:54 AM
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Thank you for the explanation, Emadex. I think that links on the discussion board rules are pretty much the same as links in an auction listing rules.
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Mar 11, 2004 03:36 PM
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Panic attacks/anxiety attacks are the result of an irrational fear. It's a defense mechanism gone awry. It may have stemmed from one situation that was very scary and warranted the fight or flight response. But if that same response is "fitted" to a situation that isn't fearful, but one believes it to be fearful, a panic or anxiety attack will occur. The fight or flight response is physiological, giving the body enough adrenaline to do what the body needs to do in that given situation one sees as a danger or fearful. Thoughts and the belief of those thoughts creates and continues a series of responses which exacerbates the cycle of physiological symptoms which creates more thoughts..etc. Hormonal fluctuations and brain chemical disorders can cause the physiological responses of adrenaline rush, flushing..etc, but it's the thoughts creates the anxiety and panic. The thoughts are a subconscious automatic trigger, so well tuned and quick that one only feels the symptoms. Cognitive behavioural therapy is a way to bring the subconscious thoughts to the conscious level so one can recognise them as irrational, change the thoughts to respond as rational (or fitting for the situation), the irrational thoughts eventually are unlearned and replaced with the new rational thoughts which will eventually become automatic. Medications do work for the physiological symptoms but not for the thoughts. If one believes a situation to be dangerous....no meds can change that. I've done cognitive behavioural therapy but I did use some medications as needed to "get me through" life during those times. CBT is difficult in the beginning, but it's a lifesaver, they are tools forever and can be taken and used ANYWHERE without anyone knowing!! There are many books on CBT as well as on the internet for suggestions and explanations. Best to you, quincy
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Mar 11, 2004 03:37 PM
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sorry, meant laukei (wrong board) ;-b
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