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Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
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Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Aug 23, 2006 05:37 AM
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All sellers should make sure they read this new announcement about properly declaring selling prices on customs declaration form:
***Reporting Value on Customs Declarations***
August 22, 2006 | 01:59PM PST/PT
Postal administrations in several international countries have contacted the United States Postal Service about the declaration of value placed on customs forms. They have noted that in many cases, the declared value is understated when compared to the actual invoice or known value of the item, especially for sales conducted over the internet.
While this applies to sellers both on and off eBay, the USPS has asked us to remind our sellers to declare the proper value on all customs forms.
The correct value of each item is required on customs forms as it helps determine the proper duties and taxes, and whether they should be applied. Some countries will soon begin taking steps to address this issue, such as levying fines on the addressee when the declared value is
determined to be lower than the invoice.
To make sure you're complying with international regulations, please make sure the stated value on your customs declaration is supported by your invoices or other documentation.
You can also send this to buyers who ask you to report items as gifts.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 4, 2012 01:46 AM
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You came to this thread to prove a theory, well done if you think you have achieved it. No, nobody is going to play amateur Lawyers with you.
In the meantime, back here on planet reality, there is still not the slightest evidence of a seller in trouble for the values they place on a CN22. Not one from you in six Months of daily posts, not one from anybody in what is soon to be a six year long thread.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 5, 2012 12:20 AM
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Thinking back to your previous explanation as to why the US would Police the values on an outgoing CN22, that it is mutually beneficial.
Complete tosh of course, because the values on a CN22 are rarely (ever?) taxed in the USA, but usually are in other Countries. Nothing "mutual" about that.
However, the court case you keep trotting out, the one that makes no mention of a CN22 DOES involve amounts that would attract taxation by uncle Sam, and clearly it is mutually beneficial to make sure THOSE customs declarations are accurately filled in, hence your beloved case.
What you cannot provide and likely never will, is evidence, ANY evidence, of a seller in trouble purely for the value they choose to put on a CN22. The main reason is something you just don't seem to be able to understand, it's just too simple for you.
Nobody cares about the value placed on an outgoing CN22, it's the receiving countries job to assess value and the importer is held legally responsible for the information on the form. You need to get over it, random.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 16, 2012 11:31 AM
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eekhorn1 wrote:
Thinking back to your previous explanation as to why the US would Police the values on an outgoing CN22, that it is mutually beneficial.
Complete tosh of course, because the values on a CN22 are rarely (ever?) taxed in the USA, but usually are in other Countries. Nothing "mutual" about that.
However, the court case you keep trotting out, the one that makes no mention of a CN22 DOES involve amounts that would attract taxation by uncle Sam, and clearly it is mutually beneficial to make sure THOSE customs declarations are accurately filled in, hence your beloved case.
What you cannot provide and likely never will, is evidence, ANY evidence, of a seller in trouble purely for the value they choose to put on a CN22. The main reason is something you just don't seem to be able to understand, it's just too simple for you.
Nobody cares about the value placed on an outgoing CN22, it's the receiving countries job to assess value and the importer is held legally responsible for the information on the form. You need to get over it, random.
This just in:
My local post office has begun entering all of the particulars on the USPS 2976s (CN22s) into the database. Formerly they only did this on Priority and Express mail.
This is another step towards the electronic processing of postal customs declarations.
Things are changing.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities in the exporting nation do not care what value is placed on the declarations.  Nonsense.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities do not cooperate on information needed for the collection of taxes and duty due in the importing nation.  Please call the rubbish haulers.
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Need Help w/eBay transaction problem! (Customs Declaration Forms)
Jun 18, 2012 11:41 AM
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I sold an Apple Mac Mini ($545 + S&H) almost a month ago to a Canadian bidder. A payment came in on my PayPal account within a few days (amount still pending to this day) and the item was shipped immediately. The item reached the buyer's door but was refused saying that he did not want to pay the Customs fees. Now the item is being returned to me. The buyer was requesting that the item be shipped out again through Fed-Ex because they do not go through the same process (according to the buyer).
What should I do? If the item comes back to my door and I accept it, I would be out of my initial shipping cost. And possibly still incur eBay and PayPal fees.
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Re: Need Help w/eBay transaction problem! (Customs Declaration Forms)
Jun 18, 2012 01:22 PM
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jhedi69 wrote:
I sold an Apple Mac Mini ($545 + S&H) almost a month ago to a Canadian bidder. A payment came in on my PayPal account within a few days (amount still pending to this day) and the item was shipped immediately. The item reached the buyer's door but was refused saying that he did not want to pay the Customs fees. Now the item is being returned to me. The buyer was requesting that the item be shipped out again through Fed-Ex because they do not go through the same process (according to the buyer).
What should I do? If the item comes back to my door and I accept it, I would be out of my initial shipping cost. And possibly still incur eBay and PayPal fees.
There are no Paypal fees on a refunded payment.
Fed Ex is not exempt from customs. It is a different process than the postal customs process. They may charge a brokerage fee, which your buyer is unlikely to pay. See;
http://www.thegatesofdawn.ca/wordpress/posts/2009/01/26/avoiding-upsfedex-brokerage-fees/
Ebay fees should be refundable, but the process is intentionally cumbersome. First, ask the buyer to cancel the transaction. See:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html
The shipping cost is lost, unless the buyer agrees to pay it. which is pretty unlikely.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 18, 2012 05:12 PM
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randomstore wrote:
eekhorn1 wrote:
Thinking back to your previous explanation as to why the US would Police the values on an outgoing CN22, that it is mutually beneficial.
Complete tosh of course, because the values on a CN22 are rarely (ever?) taxed in the USA, but usually are in other Countries. Nothing "mutual" about that.
However, the court case you keep trotting out, the one that makes no mention of a CN22 DOES involve amounts that would attract taxation by uncle Sam, and clearly it is mutually beneficial to make sure THOSE customs declarations are accurately filled in, hence your beloved case.
What you cannot provide and likely never will, is evidence, ANY evidence, of a seller in trouble purely for the value they choose to put on a CN22. The main reason is something you just don't seem to be able to understand, it's just too simple for you.
Nobody cares about the value placed on an outgoing CN22, it's the receiving countries job to assess value and the importer is held legally responsible for the information on the form. You need to get over it, random.
it does not matter random we can put any value we feel like putting on the cn22,because there is no way of proving otherwise
gfys
This just in:
My local post office has begun entering all of the particulars on the USPS 2976s (CN22s) into the database. Formerly they only did this on Priority and Express mail.
This is another step towards the electronic processing of postal customs declarations.
Things are changing.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities in the exporting nation do not care what value is placed on the declarations. Nonsense.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities do not cooperate on information needed for the collection of taxes and duty due in the importing nation. Please call the rubbish haulers.
i am not a racist,i hate all politicians equally !!
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 18, 2012 05:13 PM
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randomstore wrote:
eekhorn1 wrote:
Thinking back to your previous explanation as to why the US would Police the values on an outgoing CN22, that it is mutually beneficial.
Complete tosh of course, because the values on a CN22 are rarely (ever?) taxed in the USA, but usually are in other Countries. Nothing "mutual" about that.
However, the court case you keep trotting out, the one that makes no mention of a CN22 DOES involve amounts that would attract taxation by uncle Sam, and clearly it is mutually beneficial to make sure THOSE customs declarations are accurately filled in, hence your beloved case.
What you cannot provide and likely never will, is evidence, ANY evidence, of a seller in trouble purely for the value they choose to put on a CN22. The main reason is something you just don't seem to be able to understand, it's just too simple for you.
Nobody cares about the value placed on an outgoing CN22, it's the receiving countries job to assess value and the importer is held legally responsible for the information on the form. You need to get over it, random.
This just in:
My local post office has begun entering all of the particulars on the USPS 2976s (CN22s) into the database. Formerly they only did this on Priority and Express mail.
This is another step towards the electronic processing of postal customs declarations.
Things are changing.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities in the exporting nation do not care what value is placed on the declarations. Nonsense.
Some posters would have you believe that customs authorities do not cooperate on information needed for the collection of taxes and duty due in the importing nation. Please call the rubbish haulers.
it does not matter random we can put any value we feel like putting on the cn22,because there is no way of proving otherwise
gfys
i am not a racist,i hate all politicians equally !!
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Re: Need Help w/eBay transaction problem! (Customs Declaration Forms)
Jun 18, 2012 05:21 PM
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randomstore wrote:
jhedi69 wrote:
I sold an Apple Mac Mini ($545 + S&H) almost a month ago to a Canadian bidder. A payment came in on my PayPal account within a few days (amount still pending to this day) and the item was shipped immediately. The item reached the buyer's door but was refused saying that he did not want to pay the Customs fees. Now the item is being returned to me. The buyer was requesting that the item be shipped out again through Fed-Ex because they do not go through the same process (according to the buyer).
What should I do? If the item comes back to my door and I accept it, I would be out of my initial shipping cost. And possibly still incur eBay and PayPal fees.
There are no Paypal fees on a refunded payment.
Fed Ex is not exempt from customs. It is a different process than the postal customs process. They may charge a brokerage fee, which your buyer is unlikely to pay. See;
http://www.thegatesofdawn.ca/wordpress/posts/2009/01/26/avoiding-upsfedex-brokerage-fees/
Ebay fees should be refundable, but the process is intentionally cumbersome. First, ask the buyer to cancel the transaction. See:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html
The shipping cost is lost, unless the buyer agrees to pay it. which is pretty unlikely.
random you are nothing but a POS seller that cannot deliver
get off these boards and quit wasting peoples time
i am not a racist,i hate all politicians equally !!
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Re: Need Help w/eBay transaction problem! (Customs Declaration Forms)
Jun 18, 2012 05:33 PM
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randomstore wrote:
jhedi69 wrote:
I sold an Apple Mac Mini ($545 + S&H) almost a month ago to a Canadian bidder. A payment came in on my PayPal account within a few days (amount still pending to this day) and the item was shipped immediately. The item reached the buyer's door but was refused saying that he did not want to pay the Customs fees. Now the item is being returned to me. The buyer was requesting that the item be shipped out again through Fed-Ex because they do not go through the same process (according to the buyer).
What should I do? If the item comes back to my door and I accept it, I would be out of my initial shipping cost. And possibly still incur eBay and PayPal fees.
There are no Paypal fees on a refunded payment.
Fed Ex is not exempt from customs. It is a different process than the postal customs process. They may charge a brokerage fee, which your buyer is unlikely to pay. See;
http://www.thegatesofdawn.ca/wordpress/posts/2009/01/26/avoiding-upsfedex-brokerage-fees/
Ebay fees should be refundable, but the process is intentionally cumbersome. First, ask the buyer to cancel the transaction. See:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html
The shipping cost is lost, unless the buyer agrees to pay it. which is pretty unlikely.
random you are nothing but a POS seller that cannot deliver
get off these boards and quit wasting peoples time
you are an ignorant cull
i am not a racist,i hate all politicians equally !!
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 18, 2012 05:38 PM
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eekhorn1 wrote:
Thinking back to your previous explanation as to why the US would Police the values on an outgoing CN22, that it is mutually beneficial.
Complete tosh of course, because the values on a CN22 are rarely (ever?) taxed in the USA, but usually are in other Countries. Nothing "mutual" about that.
However, the court case you keep trotting out, the one that makes no mention of a CN22 DOES involve amounts that would attract taxation by uncle Sam, and clearly it is mutually beneficial to make sure THOSE customs declarations are accurately filled in, hence your beloved case.
What you cannot provide and likely never will, is evidence, ANY evidence, of a seller in trouble purely for the value they choose to put on a CN22. The main reason is something you just don't seem to be able to understand, it's just too simple for you.
Nobody cares about the value placed on an outgoing CN22, it's the receiving countries job to assess value and the importer is held legally responsible for the information on the form. You need to get over it, random.
it does not matter random we can put any value we feel like putting on the cn22,because there is no way of proving otherwise
i am not a racist,i hate all politicians equally !!
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 23, 2012 07:13 PM
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Agree with eBay but are they afraid to make this a must to read by their "pets" the buyers that very often blakmaile the sellers to do wrong declaration. At least one out of every three Europeans does so.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 25, 2012 01:46 PM
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Why has this thread from 2006 been revived? I know that Customs authorities often disbelieve the valuations on Customs forms, but prices on eBay are very often below the "known" values of items; that is how traders earn a living by buying on eBay and selling elsewhere or reselling on eBay with better descriptions.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jun 29, 2012 02:35 AM
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The thread has not been revived because it never died. Yes, it has been running since August 2006, and despite some pretty desperate efforts, the reasons for those efforts best known to those who have put in so much effort, there has not been the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence of an eBay seller in the slightest trouble at all for putting his own idea of value on a CN22.
What this thread has been reduced to is scaremongering that things will change and pathetic excuses for the complete and utter lack of ANY evidence of an eBay seller getting so much as a stern talking to. This thread proves that sellers can put any value they feel reasonable on a CN22 with little to no real worry of any consequenses for them, as much as some hate the the fact and desperately try and divert from it.
Amusing that this meaningless message was posted in the first place( just WHAT does it say?) and even more amusing that it should result in proving that it's meaningless. Six years in August.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 1, 2012 12:31 PM
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The thread has not been revived because it never died. Yes, it has been running since August 2006, and despite some pretty desperate efforts,
No desperate efforts are evident in this entire thread.
the reasons for those efforts best known to those who have put in so much effort,
Not much effort at all.
there has not been the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence of an eBay seller in the slightest trouble at all for putting his own idea of value on a CN22.
Nor any evidence that US exports made with a CN22 (USPS 2976) are exempt from US laws which apply to any export and/or any material false entry. (such as a false low value)
What this thread has been reduced to is scaremongering
No scaremongering, just the facts.
(1) Knowingly entering a value lower than the purchase price on a CN22 is a direct violation of eBay policy.
(2) It is a violation of the US foreign trade regulations, where value is defined as the purchase price unless the item was not sold.
(3) It is a violation of 18 USC 554 Smuggling from the US, and 18 USC 1001 (false) Statements and entries.
(4) The level of enforcement has no bearing on the legality of the matter.
that things will change
The US, UK, Canada, Germany and France are in the process of changing to electronic processing of postal customs declarations. Other nations will be joining in soon.
Those who think this will have no effect on exporting eBay sellers, should try to imagine an eBay run with paper catalogs and bidding via letter.
and pathetic excuses
In the uninformed opinion of some posters
for the complete and utter lack of ANY evidence of an eBay seller getting so much as a stern talking to.
Warning letters sent by CBP, HMRC, etc are subject to the privacy laws in the relevant nations. They are not available for casual perusal by those with no legal standing to view them.
This thread proves that sellers can put any value they feel reasonable on a CN22 with little to no real worry of any consequenses for them,
What you can get away with and what you should do are not necessarily the same thing.
as much as some hate the the fact
Hate? Oh how clueless
and desperately try and divert from it.
Desperately bored perhaps.
Nothing new from the peanut gallery in ever so long.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 2, 2012 01:46 AM
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STILL not the tiniest bit of evidence of an eBay seller in the slightest trouble for putting any value they see fit on a CN22.
And Random, if you are not desperate, why have you mailed Government offices around the World, why have you personally visited Government offices, and why have you made nearly daily posts on here for the last 6 Months or so?
Clearly you are desperate to make sure people are scared of consequenses, yet the one thing you cannot provide, the one thing that would actually mean something, evidence of a seller in trouble for the value on a CN22, continues to evade you.
Just as it has with every other customs form zealot who has tried your silly game, for nearly 6 whole years.
Yup, you are reduced to telling us the cases are hidden and things may change. You just post more waffle to try and hide the unfortunate truth, unfortunate for you are least.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 2, 2012 02:03 AM
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"Warning letters sent by CBP, HMRC, etc are subject to the privacy laws in the relevant nations. They are not available for casual perusal by those with no legal standing to view them."
THAT is what I mean by desperate! You are reduced to trying to explain the complete and utter lack of evidence by trying to get us all to believe that the enforcement is hidden. Do get real!
Not a shred of evidence in a decade I have been on these boards. How astonishing is that if there actually was any level onf enforcement that sellers need worry about?!
TEN years on these boards, SIX years on this thread and some pretty desperate efforts from the customs form zealots, over SIX months of you mailing and visiting government offices, and, NOTHING!
Or more precisely, nothing relevant. Just more suggestions that the enforcement is hidden and things may change. Well, at least you will have more success with that than finding any evidence at all of an eBay seller in the slightest trouble for putting any value they see fit on a CN22, because there you just joined the list of other failures on this thread.
The only difference between you and the other failures is they knew when to give up.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 5, 2012 12:52 AM
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"Warning letters sent by CBP, HMRC, etc are subject to the privacy laws in the relevant nations. They are not available for casual perusal by those with no legal standing to view them."
THAT is what I mean by desperate!
Back to desperately labling others desperate. tsk.
You are reduced to trying to explain the complete and utter lack of evidence by trying to get us all to believe that the enforcement is hidden. Do get real!
Ignorance of the law is generally no defense.
Not a shred of evidence in a decade I have been on these boards. How astonishing is that if there actually was any level of enforcement that sellers need worry about?!
The AOTC case is an example of US prosecution for entering false low values on customs declarations, intended to help ones foreign customers avoid the tax and duty due.
This occured without one dollar of US revenue at stake.
The law being enforced (18 USC 554), applies to any export, including those made with a CN22.
TEN years on these boards, SIX years on this thread and some pretty desperate efforts from the ANTI customs form zealot,
A round of applause for the most persistent poster on this thread.
over SIX months of you mailing and visiting government offices, and, NOTHING!
(1) The US laws which apply.
(2) A relevant US case.
(3) A respose from HMRC clearly showing that they consider making a practice of entering false low values on CN22s to be illegal.
(4) etc.
Or more precisely, nothing relevant.
To those who decline to see.
Just more suggestions that the enforcement is hidden.
Warning letters and civil penalties imposed administatively, do not generate court cases to find.
and things may change.
Actually, things are changing. The transition to electronic processing of postal customs declarations has begun in the US, UK, Canada, Germany and France.
Well, at least you will have more success with that than finding any evidence at all of an eBay seller in the slightest trouble for putting any value they see fit on a CN22, because there you just joined the list of other failures on this thread.
Uh huh.
The only difference between you and the other failures is they knew when to give up.
Perhaps you should consider taking your own advice.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 5, 2012 01:36 AM
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The bottom line though, random, is with more than six months devoted to this, you have found ZERO evidence of any seller in the slightest trouble for putting any value they see fit on a CN22.
Everything you post is an attempt to divert from this unfortunate truth, unfortunate for you at least.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 5, 2012 08:57 AM
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eekhorn1 wrote:
The bottom line though, random, is with more than six months devoted to this, you have found ZERO evidence of any seller in the slightest trouble for putting any value they see fit on a CN22.
Everything you post is an attempt to divert from this unfortunate truth, unfortunate for you at least.
Devoted???
The truth is it is illegal to knowingly enter false particulars on CN22s in the US and pretty much anywhere in the world.
It is also a clear violation of eBay policy.
The low level of enforcement implies a low level of risk for those sellers who don't mind signing their name to intentionally false customs declarations.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 5, 2012 01:07 PM
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The low level of enforcement.
You cannot find ANY enforcement of value on a CN22, random. People here have had a decade to do so, six years on this thread, and you have had over six months now.
NOTHING.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 6, 2012 12:58 AM
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The AOTC case is not nothing.
Before you jump to your stock line about the case not involving CN22s, consider the law being enforced (18 USC 554).
It applies to any export, attempted export or sending.
Obviously, an export made with a CN22 is included in "any".
What is so hard to understand about that?
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 6, 2012 09:02 AM
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The AOTC case is not nothing.
It is NOT a case of a seller in trouble for the value placed on a CN22.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Most people reading this thread have no problem understanding.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 6, 2012 10:54 AM
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The AOTC case is not nothing.
It is NOT a case of a seller in trouble for the value placed on a CN22.
It is a case of a US seller in trouble for entering false low values on customs declarations for the pupose of helping their foreign buyers avoid tax and duty.
The law being enforced (18 USC 554) applies to any export.
That is what an eBay seller is doing when they enter a value below the purchase price on a CN22 or any customs declaration.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Most people reading this thread have no problem understanding
Yes, most people would have no trouble understanding that an export made with a CN22 is NOT exempt from a law that applies to any export.
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Re: Read The New Announcement on Customs Declaration Forms
Jul 6, 2012 11:03 AM
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You still cannot provide even the tiniest evidence of a seller in trouble for their version of value on a CN22.
All you do is try and divert from this. TEN years on these boards, SIX years on this thread, six MONTHS of devotion from you, including mailing governments around the World and personally visiting Government offices, and not a slightest sign of a seller in troble for the value they see fit on a CN22.
NOTHING!
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