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Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED

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Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
May 29, 2008 02:06 PM
It is very important that all sellers with non-paying bidders file unpaid item disputes if payment is not received from buyers. Since negative feedback can no longer be left for buyers who do not pay to warn other sellers, filing an unpaid item dispute has become more import than ever. Filing a dispute and then closing it eight days later will give the buyer a strike towards suspension and is the only way sellers have to protect each other from bad buyers. It is also important to file for the correct reason - that the buyer didn't pay. If they don't pay, don't file "mutually agreed to cancel the transaction" - that does NOT give the buyer a strike. Sellers must help each other by filing these forms to get these habitual non-payers off of E Bay. While most buyers on eBay are honest, the small amount that don’t pay can now wreak havoc with feedback. Suspension is the only way to stop these buyers. Please read and use this link to file your dispute and remember to close it eight days later if the buyer doesn’t respond, (or sooner if the buyer does respond): http://rebulk.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CreateDispute Keep in mind, if your buyer does not respond to the dispute before you close it, any feedback they leave you won’t count against your feedback score and will have a notation from eBay that the buyer did not respond to the UID filing. And if the buyer responds to the dispute but in replying to it they do not express dissatisfaction with the seller or the item, feedback can also be removed. So don’t let the threat of feedback deter you from filing. Additionally, you will have your basic re-listing fee refunded as well if you file the UID, close it and then re-list and the item sells. Remember, you are not only getting fees back that you paid eBay, you are also helping your fellow sellers by giving the non-payer a strike towards suspension.


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Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED

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Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
May 29, 2008 02:06 PM
It is very important that all sellers with non-paying bidders file unpaid item disputes if payment is not received from buyers. Since negative feedback can no longer be left for buyers who do not pay to warn other sellers, filing an unpaid item dispute has become more import than ever. Filing a dispute and then closing it eight days later will give the buyer a strike towards suspension and is the only way sellers have to protect each other from bad buyers. It is also important to file for the correct reason - that the buyer didn't pay. If they don't pay, don't file "mutually agreed to cancel the transaction" - that does NOT give the buyer a strike. Sellers must help each other by filing these forms to get these habitual non-payers off of E Bay. While most buyers on eBay are honest, the small amount that don’t pay can now wreak havoc with feedback. Suspension is the only way to stop these buyers. Please read and use this link to file your dispute and remember to close it eight days later if the buyer doesn’t respond, (or sooner if the buyer does respond): http://rebulk.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CreateDispute Keep in mind, if your buyer does not respond to the dispute before you close it, any feedback they leave you won’t count against your feedback score and will have a notation from eBay that the buyer did not respond to the UID filing. And if the buyer responds to the dispute but in replying to it they do not express dissatisfaction with the seller or the item, feedback can also be removed. So don’t let the threat of feedback deter you from filing. Additionally, you will have your basic re-listing fee refunded as well if you file the UID, close it and then re-list and the item sells. Remember, you are not only getting fees back that you paid eBay, you are also helping your fellow sellers by giving the non-payer a strike towards suspension.


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by frugal-mommy (1737 ) View Listings
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Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 06:52 PM
TWANGER--

The OP of this thread has NOT posted here in literaly YEARS. So we have no way to know what this thing is and I don't ever remember hearing or reading any ones ever questioning it! I have seen similar things on other threads on and off ebay tho so there must be an app for it somewhere. Maybe some one knows more than me about it and can answer your question when they drop by.

deadhead
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Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 06:58 PM
UPDATE----

Some may remember the recent buyer I had for a Coach bag who didn't pay, I filed a UID, She "paid" with a eCheck that took FOREVER to close----meanwhile I contacted a bunch of her sellers and discovered that she was busy stiffing people all over the place. Well well well today I noticed that her USER ID is NO LONGER A REGISTERED USER. Whether or not she has a new seller ID is unknown but just thought I would SHARE esp in light of some one here recently having a prob with some one with a NEW ID trying to pay with an eCheck and then canceling and then "re-paying".

If that person would contact me OFF of this Forum I would be interested in seeing if just by the merest chance this might be the SAME deadbeat. ( I have her addy and non-working phone etc) Just use the "Question" section of my listings.

deadhead
(14,796 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 08:01 PM
Why does it take eBay 6 hours to notify me that someone has posted to my watched message board threads?


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Happy thoughts for a Happy Life!

(14,797 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 08:05 PM
I did give the next highest bidder a heads up that she could possibly purchase the item and she seemed to have lost intrest. Also this woman still has not contacted Ebay! I wish she could get thrown off. Such a high bid and never any intention to buy. The worse part is I was selling this for an elderly woman and the buyer doesn't care! I don't know Ebay, its so depressing sometimes selling here when this happens.
I wish these were binding auctions so at least on a bigger ticket item you had a legal recourse.
I hope its true that I wont get neg feedback from this woman out of spite, I did file a unpaid auction thing with Ebay. I think after 4 days I can relist this correct? Also someone mentioned that I could leave a comment on hers before it closes. Wouldn't she try to leave one on mine?
Its sickening being afraid of negative feedback, I have 100% and would hate to have her ruin it for her being a deadbeat.
(14,798 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 08:25 PM
Haven't been here for a while so I thought I'd drop in and say hi to everyone. Been keeping busy here and am looking forward to some excitement in the not too distant future *L*

Hope everyone is doing great!


One of the penalties of not participating in politics is that you will be governed by your inferiors. PLATO

(14,799 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 6, 2011 09:59 PM
FAUX SAMMY--

Welcome back! I agree exciting news and will get back to you via email soon!

deadhead
(14,800 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 08:12 AM
Beautifulkatz-
Yes, four days after the UID has been opened, you'll be able to close it and get your fees back (and give the deadbeat her strike. IF you leave feedback BEFORE you close the UID, you can make a few relevant comments. But even if she leaves feedback for you at some point, if she has not paid it can be removed.

Sorry to hear that your #2 buyer has gone elsewhere; that's one of the biggest problems that deadbeat bidding causes: lost opportunity. Have you contacted #3?

But unless the price was the result of a "bidding war" which can sometimes drive prices far above what an item is really worth) you at least got some good information if nothing else.

Do a search of the item (it was a doll, if I remember correctly?) and see what others are asking for the same item. Then hit the "Advanced Search" button and look at closed auctions as well. (you may want to consider throwing out the highest and lowest numbers, just like they do in the Olympics.) See how those compare to the price yours reached in the recent bidding.

Between those three (open auctions, closed ones, and yours) you should be able to get a pretty good idea of the "going" price.

The, I'd suggest you relist your auction with a Buy-It-Now price somewhere in that area, with Immediate Payment required. However, there's more to that than just saying in your listings "pay me immediately" (which is unenforceable.)

When you set up your listing, below the part where you enter the price (and remember, it will now be a fixed price ONLY) drop down to the section labeled "Decide how you'd like to be paid." Since Paypal is practically the only payment option, everyone just ignores this section. But just below the Paypal logo and your Paypal email address, look for a check-box for "Require immediate payment when buyer uses Buy It Now."

With that box checked, once a buyer hits the BIN button, he'll be taken directly to checkout, and informed that, since you require immediate payment, the listing will stay open until he has paid you via Paypal.


BOHCAGED - Bend over, here comes another great Ebay deal!

(14,801 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 08:32 AM
By the way, Katz,, you shouldn't worry so much about losing a perfect 100% feedback rating that it makes you afraid to do things you know you should (like file UIDs, ask buyers to actually pay, etc.) Are you here to make money or to build a feedback monument to yourself?

100% feedback is like a shiny brand-new car. It looks great, and it's worth protecting. But the best way to do that is to keep it in the garage, under a tarp, and never drive it.

If you actually want to use it, you have to take it out into the world. Of course you should be careful, and in that way avoid undue damage. But no matter how well careful you are, sooner or later some ignorant bonehead is going to ding the door with a shopping cart.

Ignoramuses are a fact of life, in Ebay commerce as in parking lots. Meeting up with one (and suffering the consequences) is just a matter of statistics and time. It's not fair, you don't deserve it, but there it is. But just as the ding in your door is not the end of the world, neither is an occasional undeserved feedback hit. Obsessing over either is a waste of time and effort.

Just as a car with just a ding or two is practically as good as the one in the showroom, a 99.8% feedback rating is practically as good as 100%. And like the tiny dent, no one will notice the difference unless you point it out.


BOHCAGED - Bend over, here comes another great Ebay deal!

(14,802 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 02:22 PM
is this a web-advertisement? pennies per click? how is that allowed? or was that already discussed...
It's just one of those silly apps like the weather or the time; usually you see them countdown events, like vacations or marriages or whatever. I do not know if it is an affiliate program where if someone else makes one you get paid. I don't think so. I see a lot of them on other forums having to do with travel. People just like to brag I guess.
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Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 05:58 PM
People just like to brag I guess.
ok, LOL, noticed OP offers vacation packages on her ME page - C'est la vie


(14,804 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 07:44 PM
GEEE Can we go and bid on the vacation packages, take the vacay, complain that WE DIDN'T LIKE the hotel or the food or the drinks or the beach or the cabin boy or the way it rained on Day 3 or that we got SEASICK ON THE SHIP and then file a SNAD and have ebay/PP refund us our money????

Can we????

CAN WE????????

Just askin'.

deadhead
(14,805 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 08:50 PM
Is anybody else sick of having to opt out of "Bill Me Later" every damn time you go to pay for something? They keep sending me emails urging me to try it, but the "details" link is always broken. Does anyone know anything about this, or whether it's worth the trouble, or what extra trouble you might be getting into if you use it?


BOHCAGED - Bend over, here comes another great Ebay deal!

(14,806 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 7, 2011 10:14 PM
P3------

I VERY much agree this is a PITA. When it first appeared I checked it out and to me anyways it looks like a real easy way to LOSE money fast---hey even FASTER than selling on Feebay! Now THAT takes WORK!!!!

If I remember right the basic idea is that you can "opt in" and pay ALL of your sellers at one convenient monthly interval. Like your credit card etc. However!!!! Just like your credit card there was a HEFTY "late fee" if you were 1 nano second late and I am not sure if there was an auto withdraw feature----and we all KNOW how well ebay does things like notify us about things that DON'T cost money---just imagine the possibilities here! I think it was over a $35 fee.

And you have to supply all your financial info for a CREDIT CHECK. Am I paranoid if I suspect that once FleeceBay has this info the sellers who opt for this that might have less than sterling credit might just suddenly find themselves with some sort of bogus "You are no longer welcome at FleeceBay" notice? Gee who could have sterling credit when we are selling things and eBay refuses to get the deadbeats to PAY us???? Hmmmm---

I don't remember if they addressed how your SELLERS get paid tho---do we have to wait around til the months billing cycle is complete and processed? What if Mr and Mrs Deadbeat figure out that they can buy and buy and close the account that payment is coming from just before the bill is due???? Would you get paid at all? Would ebay try and yank that $$$ back from you if the buyer defaulted?

And I think I remember something about monthly fees to the user also but don't quote me on this one. The "lure" of the $15 FREE ebay bucks---which you would have to possibly wait MONTHS to use ---is um nice but not enough for me to be tempted.

I would keep trying to see what exactly the scheme is here just for your own peace of mind--maybe go there thru the PP site?---but I am always leery of things that require a credit check esp since for me this would involve the credit people rolling around on the floor getting tangles in their headset cords and snorting their beverages out their noses---not a pretty picture. With my medical bills and the problems trying to take the MD's who screwed around with my leg to court things kinda got a bit messy in Credit Land around here and we will never have a good credit rating again. This doesn't really bother me-----there was NOTHING we could have done about it in any case---but the thought that a job might someday be denied to either one of us based on this is sickening. I had no use for the credit checkers in the past but now I am rabidly AGAINST anyone you are NOT trying to ACTIVELY borrow money from being able to access your credit history. You have unpaid bills and you need a job---or a BETTER job---to try and pay 'em off BUT you can't GET that job because you have medical bills. Hmmmm can any one ELSE say CATCH 22????


Off the soap box deadhead!!!!!! Down girl!!!!!!!
(14,807 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 07:19 AM
I agree. Your credit report and credit score should NOT be a factor in your ability to acquire a job. Credit reporting agencies should not even be allowed to provide that information to a potential employer but do you know why they do??

MONEY! They make money on generating those reports! The more people/businesses that they convince to use credit reports, the larger their customer base and the more money they make!


The Muffin Man says.."BAD JD!..Bad doggie!!!" with rolled up newspaper in hand!
Happy thoughts for a Happy Life!

(14,808 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 10:23 AM
Hi Guys,

Here is a weird thing that happened to my auctions this week. On my 7 day auctions, none of my items came up in search until the fourth day. One of my customers was looking for something on the first day and then the second and it never came up. He told me this on the second day and I search every one of my auctions and none of them came up in the search. I called ebay and they searched while I was on the phone and nothing came up. They said they would check into it and let me know what they find. Everyday I kept checking and finally something came up in the search on the fourth day of the auctions and as the day progressed all of the auctions came up in search. Ebay has not contacted me yet. Obviously they fixed it, but I wonder what was wrong. I am a TRS, so I should have higher standing in the search, if you can believe what they say. Has this happened to any of you? What could cause it? I got suspicious when there were no views on any of my items, but I just thought it was a slow week. I just put up some 7 day auctions and I will check to see if they come up in search later today or tomorrow. I guess they don't come up right away on the first day. Any insights you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
(14,809 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 10:52 AM
stoney

Well that could certainly answer some questions for me. My auctions that closed last night, well sales was beyond terrible. I hardly sold a thing. Very unusual.

.


********* Sellers need to have their Buyer Requirements [in Site preferences] set to the strictest possible for UIDs. 2 in 12. If all sellers would file UIDs when appropriate along w/having your settings at 2 in 12, it would cut down on NPBs. They would be blocked from bidding or purchasing from ALL sellers that had their setting 2 in 12. This is our best defense, but each of us is dependent upon other sellers following suit. This will dramatically reduce the non payers if we work together.

(14,810 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 12:22 PM
Mam,

My 7 day auctions ended today and the sales were awful also. Very few sales. That is unusual for me too. The new auctions I put up today already have views on them, unlike the last batch of auctions, put up on the same day of the week. Maybe there was a problem sitewide. I hope we find out soon.
(14,811 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 01:23 PM
Hey Guys,

I do not know if any of you followed the story back a couple months ago about an eBay member that came to the forums asking for advice after getting involved in a scam...

In brief, the eBay member (original poster) found someone on Freelancer who advertised a job opportunity to sell electronics on eBay.

It turned out to be a scam and the member was out several thousand bucks! Over the course of time, persistence and some great amateur detective work it turns out that there were at least four other victims as well.

Well persistence paid off and the victims were able to convince Law Enforcement to act. They actually caught and arrested the miscreant fraudster and guess what?????? He is a 16 year old who had a criminal history of having done this before!

There was a post on SC up until this afternoon about this but it was attacked by a viscous Troll and somehow was pulled.


The Muffin Man says.."BAD JD!..Bad doggie!!!" with rolled up newspaper in hand!
Happy thoughts for a Happy Life!

(14,812 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 03:14 PM
O.K. three things....I haven't had any views on about 3/4 of my listings for the better part of last week. Since I have other issues with ebay with respect to their disrespect for we sellers, I figured it was just another co-incidence. I called them and began a tirade about their admitted aggressiveness with respect to holding we the sellers into some high, almost unattainable account. For the first time in three months, I actually got a real live CSR on the phone and were it not for her genuine concern about my issues with ebay at the moment, I would probably leave. But, she understood and offered quite a bit of insight for me, rather than to me....which makes a world of difference. This was last week, BTW when their was no views showing on my listings....ebay credited me for $50.00 as a "one time gratitude" for my diligence and assured me that by May, the couple of issues that sellers had with me over a year ago, would fall off and I would be a TRS. A couple of you remarked that you were concerned that I might be thinking that you were picking on me when you give me the advice. I know that you aren't and I'm not that thinned skin. I appreciate your help and your encouragement. Now, for another issue altogether....I now have an unpaid item....four days in the making thus far. How long do I need to wait? I was told by the buyer, go ahead and send me an invoice once you have packaged and I will pay. The item has been packaged, shipping label attached/paid for, and I've sent three kind emails as reminders. Nothing. I get no response. Even if she would respond, it would help. Any advice? And, apparently ebay is starting to listen to sellers because two CSR's have listened intently to me and my concerns and they informed me that they are indeed getting many calls from sellers with respect to this DSR system and the culpability it is putting sellers in. The only issue I had with respect, less I digress, to the input I've received on this particular thread is that it seems that the implication is that I don't understand the DSR system and as a result, I shouldn't be upset. The real point is that I completely understand the DSR system and I believe that a balance needs to be made between sellers and buyers. If a seller claims something against a buyer, ebay needs to investigate the situation and vice versa. As it stnads, the seller has no recourse. Filing UID's is just one faction of the entire DSR. I agree that for those of you who have much larger numbers that I do and do a bigger volume than I, would want to file UID's. I asked ebay if when a buyer alleges that something is not described correctly, or the shipping was late, or communication wasn't good, then it should be encumbered upon the buyer to prove that claim. I asked ebay if they substantiate any of the information and they said no. I told them, for goodness sakes, in our country even the judicial system doesn't operate like that. I also they suggested that they pay attention to the threads that are running and get a grip of how sellers are feeling. They said they do????
(14,813 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 03:17 PM
I guess they don't come up right away on the first day. Any insights you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
smiley flagi thought all listings show up right away, mine show up within a few minutes, after posting a new listing i search to verify it is displayed in search results i'd be very concerned if i didn't see my stuff in search results
a 16 year old who had a criminal history of having done this before! .
i tried searching for a news or other article on the web. is there some place i can read about it?


(14,814 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 03:45 PM
a 16 year old who had a criminal history of having done this before! .
i tried searching for a news or other article on the web. is there some place i can read about it?
No news report yet but we do have this: Link Maybe in a few days they will break the story in the Charlotte Nc papers.


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Happy thoughts for a Happy Life!

(14,815 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 04:00 PM
Delta- Are you referring to the member whom was a woman that got scammed and the entire thread got pulled because some posters reported it?
(14,816 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 04:30 PM
Yes. Seems there was a Troll or two that accused us of feeding in to a secondary scam so that the woman could defraud us by soliciting donations. Truth was that no one ever solicited anything but some people...


The Muffin Man says.."BAD JD!..Bad doggie!!!" with rolled up newspaper in hand!
Happy thoughts for a Happy Life!

(14,817 of 22,508)
Re: Sellers- Why You Should File UID's for Non-Paying Buyers - UPDATED
Apr 8, 2011 06:37 PM
For what it's worth, guys....I'm not a troll......just a small time ebay seller who just is weary of this system and I guess I found comfort in an ebay CSR stating that they have been getting many calls about this DSR and all I need here is sosme advice about filing a UID without adding more problems than I already have..
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