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utopiahtodd
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Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:10 PM
I read the smart ones hang out here. Perhaps you can answer this because I am so baffled as to how this can be done:

Say a seller has a Batman DVD for sale that normally costs $100 NIB from other online Retailers like Amazon & Barnes And Noble.

Seller has it listed as 99c starting bid.
The auction goes up to say $60.

Winner waits about 4-6 weeks for item to arrive (although seller states s/h time is 14 days.)

When DVD arrives it has been sent directly from Amazon or Barne & Noble. No price is included inside the package and no note from the seller you bought from.

My question is: How can a seller sell me a $100 DVD for $60 on ebay and have it shipped from a major retailer?

Is this misuse of stolen credit cards or stolen gift cards being used to make these purchases?

I have noticed some sellers FB saying "item arrived 30 days later and package said it was from Barnes & Nobel."


I can understand some people selling their used DVDs or even brand new ones (that they might have got for gift or through a DVD club and not opened), but they would always be sent from the sellers address.


If the item costed LESS from the retailer then that wouldn't be an OK situation (just ripping me off because I didn't search out real prices."

Anyone have any answers? I do not want to participate in stolen merchandise. But something doesn't seem right here. And I am seeing this on several people's FB's. Which by the way really confuses me as I bet it does some of you too, but I also wonder why people leave a Green Positive FB and then write in something that is not positive..like "Read ALL FB" or "I wouldn't deal with again."? Maybe they are afraid if they NEG a person then they will be NEG'd back.

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whoop-de-do
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:22 PM
My question is: How can a seller sell me a $100 DVD for $60 on ebay and have it shipped from a major retailer?

Is this misuse of stolen credit cards or stolen gift cards being used to make these purchases?


While I'm not accusing your seller of anything, there is a "Triangulation Scheme" where a seller orders items from retailers using stolen credit cards. Those sellers can sell for less than retail because they are spending someone else's money. Do you have an order number that you could contact B&N with?

Maybe they are afraid if they NEG a person then they will be NEG'd back.

Sellers can't leave NEGs anymore.

Would you be willing to share the item number?

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nowibuystuff
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:23 PM
Winner waits about 4-6 weeks for item to arrive (although seller states s/h time is 14 days.)

If you Pay with PayPal you ONLY have 45 days from the day you pay to open up INR claim

When DVD arrives it has been sent directly from Amazon or Barne & Noble. No price is included inside the package and no note from the seller you bought from.
Called dropped shipping

My question is: How can a seller sell me a $100 DVD for $60 on ebay and have it shipped from a major retailer?
Because the Seller buys in large quantity's, they are getting a significant price break.

Is this misuse of stolen credit cards or stolen gift cards being used to make these purchases?
Doubt it

I have noticed some sellers FB saying "item arrived 30 days later and package said it was from Barnes & Nobel."
If you get the item you paid for, for the amount you agreed to, why would you care who's name is on the box?

If the item costed LESS from the retailer then that wouldn't be an OK situation (just ripping me off because I didn't search out real prices."
I don't want to burst your bubble,
BUT Most of what you purchase, the Seller is making money,
or they would not be there next week to sell you more.
it is called PROFIT
When you went grocery shopping yesterday,
the store sold you the items for more then they paid.
When you purchased gas to go grocery shopping, the gas station charged you more then they paid.
Almost everything you purchased this weekend,
the people that sold it to you made a profit.
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utopiahtodd
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:35 PM





If the item costed LESS from the retailer then that wouldn't be an OK situation (just ripping me off because I didn't search out real prices."
I don't want to burst your bubble,
BUT Most of what you purchase, the Seller is making money,
or they would not be there next week to sell you more.
it is called PROFIT
When you went grocery shopping yesterday,
the store sold you the items for more then they paid.
When you purchased gas to go grocery shopping, the gas station charged you more then they paid.
Almost everything you purchased this weekend,
the people that sold it to you made a profit.


I totally understand PROFIT. PLEASE, no need for the attitude here. I made a typo with the word "Wouldn't". That was suppose to be "Would". I understand that people can resale for MORE than one would pay online. I just try to search out where the best price for ME is. But when I find all the major retailers are selling an item for a good deal MORE then I wonder how an individual seller here could be selling for up to 80% less.

I understand most retail stores are the middle man. There is a place where retailers go to get their items - Wholesale.

But what I don't get is how a seller could sell an item and have it drop shipped from the Retail store for alot less than the retail store sells it for.

And why do I care where the product came from and whose name is on the box? It's an honesty issue with me. I still believe that theft does drive up prices for the consumer.

Please don't respond if you are going be not nice here. There is no need for that.

I was just trying to understand how some of this works.
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whoop-de-do
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:46 PM
I see the seller you are referring to. They have sold a substantial number of DVDs. The lack of an invoice tends to make me think it's just a drop-shipment. The delay may be caused by the seller waiting until they have a large enough order for a certain discount.

If you are truly concerned, the only thing that you can do is contact B&N.

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blue_eyes_james
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:47 PM

Must've been The 'L' Word? The seller doesn't seem to be a triangulation-scheme seller, which was my first thought too. Those guys usually hi-jack a dormant account and are short-lived, this guys been selling dvds for months straight.

I bought from one once. In this case there's nothing I would do as long as you got your product, it's legit and half the price! :)

~James~
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nowibuystuff
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:47 PM
But what I don't get is how a seller could sell an item and have it drop shipped from the Retail store for alot less than the retail store sells it for.
They are Buying Wholesale and get a LARGE discount on the cost of the item

And why do I care where the product came from and whose name is on the box? It's an honesty issue with me. I still believe that theft does drive up prices for the consumer.
Theft does increase the price,
But I am seeing a drop shipper, not theft

Please don't respond if you are going be not nice here. There is no need for that.
Not sure what I said that upset you.

I was just trying to understand how some of this works.

I sell a set of books on here for $350.00
I buy them for $128.00 shipped to any address in the USA
If you were to buy the same set from the person that sells them to me, it would cost you $400.00
I buy so many, as you see I get a BIG Discount.
Nothing is stolen.
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utopiahtodd
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 2:59 PM
But what I don't get is how a seller could sell an item and have it drop shipped from the Retail store for alot less than the retail store sells it for.
They are Buying Wholesale and get a LARGE discount on the cost of the item

And why do I care where the product came from and whose name is on the box? It's an honesty issue with me. I still believe that theft does drive up prices for the consumer.
Theft does increase the price,
But I am seeing a drop shipper, not theft

Please don't respond if you are going be not nice here. There is no need for that.
Not sure what I said that upset you.

I was just trying to understand how some of this works.

I sell a set of books on here for $350.00
I buy them for $128.00 shipped to any address in the USA
If you were to buy the same set from the person that sells them to me, it would cost you $400.00
I buy so many, as you see I get a BIG Discount.
Nothing is stolen.

NowIBuyStuff: I understand wholesale buying & shipping.
But my point was: If B&N were selling the books for $400, B&N would not sell to you for $128 so you could turn around and sell for $350. I have never heard of any major retailers drop shipping like this before.

I use another product, Nicotine Gum that I met a seller here that sells. I did buy a few directly from her manufacturer at one time, but I realized she was buying a ton of this stuff to get at her price. So I just set up a shipment with her and let her make the profit.

I would never have had a red flag had I recieved my item or if my seller would have just responded to my emails asking where my item was. Then I saw all the neg FB coming his way and read through some of the Positve FB he got that had warning messages in them.

It just all started sounding fishy to me.

Plus I had called area retailers looking for this particular DVD (I was getting as gift). All of them seemed to be out of stock in their stores. So I thought I'd try good old Ebay. In all the years I have bought here I never met one seller that was this unresponsive to emails.

Now I am the point where I see another item I could bid on tomorrow (last day) and buy here. It is used, but looks like it is in good shape.

If only the seller would have disclosed it might take up to 6 weeks to get my item I would not be mad nor thinking something funny is going on.

By the way you sound, if one of your buyers did not get their item, you would look into it. But mine has not.

Thank you for all of your responses here and G'day to all.
And good luck selling too.
I wish you all the best and many good and honest buyers.
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nowibuystuff
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 1, 2009 7:00 PM
NowIBuyStuff: I understand wholesale buying & shipping.
But my point was: If B&N were selling the books for $400, B&N would not sell to you for $128 so you could turn around and sell for $350. I have never heard of any major retailers drop shipping like this before.


That is how it works for me and those are the actual prices.
Seller is not Barnes & Nobels.
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utopiahtodd
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 5:56 AM
I received this item yesterday,
Arrived UPS in a B&N box.
I opened it and it was not what I ordered. It was a different DVD.
I looked at the packing slip and it said it was sold to TEXAS MAN.
My name was in the Ship to space. My seller does not live in Texas.
The prices were listed on the invoice. It was for a lot more than I paid.
The last 4 numbers of the Texas Man's CC was listed too.

I called B&N. They said the Texas Man already reported this as Stolen CC. B&N advised the would send me a Return shipment label and I could send it back to them. They said they already credited the Texas Mans account because he had many charges already made on his CC. They took down my Sellers name.

I called PayPal. PayPal said in order for me to get my money refunded I had to send the item BACK to my seller. I told them that this was basically stolen merchandise and I had to return it to B&N. Paypal told me to get something in writing from B&N saying I returned it to them.

Back to B&N: They said they would not write me a note for Paypal. They said PayPal had to contact them about it. But I asked if PayPal would be able to discuss this problem with them because of privacy issues. B&N would not budge.

I am going to take the item in person to a B&N store, with a letter documenting everything that happened. If they want this product back then they can give me a note on B&N letterhead so I have proof for PayPal.

Should I go to the police too?

I just read a long thread by another poster here who was the merchant that someone was placing orders on using bogus CC.
Their problem sounds alot more serious than mine because that is hundreds of dollars. That is a felony what someone is doing to them. But on mine, the other buys don't even leave NEG FB hardly to warn others and stop these illegal drop shippers. I even read on some FB that said "thanks for being honest" and I had to laugh. But some did say "Came from walmart or B&N." But I didn't see that until way after I won & paid.

(And it was the Walmart & B&N that sent up the Red Flag. Because I seriously doubt if those 2 particular merchants would ever sell in large quantities to people and then drop ship for them. Yes I do understand legitimate drop shipping too. Nothing wrong with making a profit. But as long as you are using your own money to originally buy the product and then send out.)

So, all you expert people here who have been through it all, what should be my next step? Police, B&N store in person? Please help me with this.

Oh and is it ok if I post the sellers name & item number here on this thread? I guess some of you are smart enough to be able to search out for yourself, but I truly would like to warn others about this seller.
By the way, B&N told me that if I did not return this item I woudl be investigated for receiving stolen merchandise. That really scared me. Fast advice please would appreciated. Thanks so much in advance.
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whoop-de-do
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 6:13 AM
I'm confused. Was this just hypothetical?

When DVD arrives it has been sent directly from Amazon or Barne & Noble. No price is included inside the package and no note from the seller you bought from.

You didn't actually have the item yet?

Obviously, the invoice changes everything. Higher price than you paid and billed to unknown third party.

Did you fund your payment with a credit card?

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utopiahtodd
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 6:59 AM
Yes I paid with PayPal but funded with CC.

When I first started this thread I did make a hypothetical question because I was concerned I didn't have my item and then all of the NEG FB started appearing on my sellers page. Plus, I was curious as to how a person could take an expensive DVD (NIB) and sell it for way cheaper than anyone else. My red flag came up when a few buyers posted in their recent FB "Box said from Walmart or B&N".

I like to buy dvds & cds. Before I buy them I check around to see where the best price can be found instead of just coming to ebay first. Usually my biggest concern is making sure I am not getting a bootleg or a Chinese copy. I am all for people buying in bulk and passing the savings on to me...but as a buyer on a budget I like to check out what is the best price for me.

Being that I did not have the item in my hand yet I posed the initial question just incase my gut feeling was wrong.
Now I see my gut feeling was right here.

I am now looking for advice as to what is my next step?

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whoop-de-do
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 7:28 AM
You should not be worried about being "investigated".
If you were doing something wrong you wouldn't have contacted B&N to begin with. The fact that they even mentioned it would tend to make me want to go to the police.

If you decide to go to the police, they may take the item.
If that happens, I would contact B&N again just to let them know where the item is.
You will need a police report to file a claim with PayPal.
With proper documentation you should win a PayPal claim, but you can always request a chargeback from your card issuer if that doesn't happen.

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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 10:27 AM
Thanks Whoop for your reply.

From now on I will only deal with sellers selling dvds from their own personal collection and the ones that have the little photo they took themselves showing me they have the product.

Nothing against any legit drop shippers here. Your good FB will speak for you.

Thanks to all who replied.
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Re: Drop Ship or Third Party - I don't know term

Nov 3, 2009 5:15 PM
The advantages of going to the police are that they might give you some proof that they took the DVD and PayPal will accept a police report. B&N won't give you anything so you shouldn't be so cooperative in returning the DVD to them.

It's got to be frustrating for you but I can understand why PayPal will need some proof you didn't just keep the DVD and claim you had to return it. If B & N wants it back they should put that request in writing for you.

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