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Jun 21, 2007 3:53 AM
This advice relates to a particular scam carried out by some people living in Nigeria but elements of it may be useful for other scam buyers.


HOW THE SCAM WORKS

The scammer lives in Nigeria but because they're pretending to live somewhere else they ask for the item to be sent to a relative or friend in Nigeria (really themselves).

They persuade the seller to send the goods on receipt of a fake payment confirmation email, usually from Paypal but also from various banks, Western Union or other payment services. Or just by promising payment. The seller sends the item to Nigeria but the promised payment never materialises. They target new sellers of relatively expensive items, especially cell phones and other electronic goods.

Some of them will have newly registered IDs with fake addresses in various countries. A growing number are now also using hi-jacked accounts. These can be identified by the ID having been dormant for some time and/or a sudden change in items being bought.

Check the rest of their purchases using Advanced Search (top of any page) > Items by Bidder (include completed items). If they have bought a large number of similar expensive items over one or two days then the odds are they're scammers.


HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM

1. The idea is to get the scammer suspended first to make it quicker for you to do the Unpaid Item process in order to get your final value fee back. So first report to eBay using this link:

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Select: Selling and managing your item > Continue > Fraud and transaction problems > Buyer paid or attempted to pay with fake/stolen funds > Continue > Email Us.

And then report their fake contact details here (the report link is at the bottom):

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2. After that they should be suspended within a couple of days. Do not bother to reply to their emails. Keep an eye on their ID and when it says "No longer registered with eBay" beside it you will be able to do the Unpaid Item process immediately to get your final value fees back, here's that link:

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3. After that you can relist and if it sells the second time your relisting fee will be refunded too. If you relist before completing the Unpaid Item process you will not be eligible for a relisting fee refund. If for some reason the scammer is not suspended quickly you will have to wait seven days to start the Unpaid Item process in the usual way.

4. You can make a Second Chance Offer before they're suspended and before doing the Unpaid Item process, if that's what you prefer to do but make sure the underbidder isn't a scammer too. To check a bidder have a look at what else they're bidding on. Click on Advanced Search (top of any page), then on Items by Bidder, put in the ID, tick "include completed listings" and then click on "search". If they are newly registered and buying large quantities of the same sort of expensive items, then the odds are they're also scammers.

5. If the scammer has used a hi-jacked account eBay will temporarily suspend the account and the transaction will usually be removed from their database. If so your final value fee should automatically be refunded to your seller account and there will be no need to do the Unpaid Item process. Check for your fee refund at My eBay > Seller Account > View Account Status. If it has not been refunded contact eBay's live help and ask them to do it manually. Here's their link:

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If the transaction has not been removed you will need to do the Unpaid Item process to get your final value fee back. If you have received notification from eBay that the account was hi-jacked it should mean that by then the account has been returned to its rightful owner. In that case if possible use the "mutual consent" option which the real account holder has to agree to. Email them first to warn them.

If you get no reply or you believe the account has not been returned to the rightful owner do NOT use the "mutual consent" option, do it in the usual way, starting seven days after end of auction.


TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING AGAIN

1. The only effective way against hi-jacked accounts is to use Immediate (Paypal) Payment on your listing, then the listing cannot end without payment being made. To do that during the listing process select to sell Fixed Price Only (or Buy It Now and auction but then you must use a reserve - minimum £50 - to keep the BIN and Immediate Payment if a bid is placed.) and you'll see the link to use Immediate Payment just below the Paypal logo. To use Fixed Price/Buy It Now you must have a feedback rating of 10 or if you have a Paypal account and accept it as an option on your listing a feedback rating of 5 or more.

2. Other options will work if the scammer has registered a new ID for themselves, eg. block zero or low feedback bidders with no credit card on file, buyers in countries where you don't ship and those without Paypal accounts, all on here:

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3. If you are not using Immediate Payment do not use Buy It Now. Then at least you might have the chance to cancel unwanted bids.

Please also be aware of credit card scams, usually (but not only) from Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, where they pay using Paypal but use stolen or fake credit cards so the money is withdrawn by Paypal later. Do not accept Paypal payment for expensive items from these and other scam areas. If necessary issue a refund and report fake funds to eBay as above.

If in doubt about a buyer please ask for advice on the Trust & Safety board.
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Jun 21, 2007 11:27 AM
The eBay Dispute process is a joke. Go through the whole file and wait process and all that happens is "Dispute Closed" with no other way to contact the Security Center except through a very limited menu of options. Meanwhile, twdaiseylady is spending my money, Other buyers are contacting me with similar problems after reading my negative feedback. I have been cheated, manipulated and lied to by a seller who continues to have a valid eBay account. This venue is no more than any other blog where people can let off steam and their issues are absorbed by a vast ethernet so what's the point? The point is that eBay is becoming an increasingly dangerous place to do business. The crooks, cheats and flakes and finding new ways to scam honest buyers on a daily basis and eBay has not mounted an effective defense for us. eBay needs to set up some form of direct contact for sellers/buyers to get individual attention and need to act to correct problems for honest people. Until that happens we should all withdraw from eBay.
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Jun 21, 2007 2:55 PM
The eBay Dispute process is a joke.

The eBay dispute process is a reporting process. The only way to get help getting your money back is to have paid with PayPal. Even better fund it with a credit card for another layer of protection. If you pay with a credit card there is very little risk of losing your money as a buyer.

reedhough, how did you pay?
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Jun 22, 2007 5:29 PM
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Jun 24, 2007 12:03 PM
~bumping this valuable thread back up~
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Jun 24, 2007 2:20 PM
What a good thread.
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Jun 24, 2007 2:33 PM
Am I to understand that the scam buyers are actually giving good shipping information? That would make sense since they want to receive the widget.

So, is there any agency to report the physical addresses to so that they can alert the applicable authorities? Seems to me that sellers are still falling for these scams. Since the widgets need to clear Customs in the appropriate country, wouldn't Customs, if notified, be able to halt the shipment from clearing and have it returned to the seller (obviously, at the seller's expense)?
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the_ospreys_nest
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Jun 25, 2007 8:55 AM
k!ssoff

Good questions ... perhaps someone will come along to provide you with the answers. OR try contacting the authorities to get some additional answers.

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Jun 25, 2007 12:22 PM
k!ssoff

A good place to report might be:
Internet Fraud Complaint Center
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However, they are probably inundated.

Pi's Page The three "Gs" of getting scammed:
1) Greed 2) Gullibility 4) Gormlessness


Pi's Page The three "Gs" of getting scammed:
1) Greed 2) Gullibility 4) Gormlessness
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Jun 25, 2007 12:48 PM
ospreys_nest, thank you.

pi, I believe since I am not a victim, I am prevented from making a third-party report to IC3.

I wonder if there are any members here that have associations with the major shipping companies people would use to ship to Nigeria, et al. I am thinking of DHL, FEDEX, UPS, EMS. There are probably others. If we could compile that contact information, perhaps the shippers might be willing to accept the physical addresses and put them in their databases.

We could create our own black list and send it to these shippers. I would even be willing to post the shipping addresses of these scammers on my blog. At least if anyone was considering shipping to these thieves and did a Google search they would find a blog entry warning them not to.

If anyone would like to work with me on this, let me know.

OP, I apologize for hijacking your thread. I found all of the information that you provided informative, and it just rang a bell in my head, thus the hijacking.
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Jun 25, 2007 3:01 PM
Bumping thread back up!

And a message to k!ssoff
Years back you could actually communicate directly with FBI agents ... not sure it's that easy these days.

If you are interested on contacting key shipping companies, your best bet would be to find contact info via their fraud departments. I'd suggest attempting contact with the people on the corporate level.

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Jun 26, 2007 1:54 PM
someone on page 1 needs help so bumping this back
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Jun 26, 2007 4:27 PM
**peaseblossom** - you rock. This is the most conscise, helpful answer I have received. It is such a relief. I just posted my listing again using the different format. Let's hope it works. Thanks, aidansheasmom
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Jun 27, 2007 6:14 AM
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Jun 27, 2007 7:33 PM
Hiya, redeye! I'm awake! ;)

Bumping back up!

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