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:O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

Jun 21, 2007 3:53 AM
This advice relates to a particular scam carried out by some people living in Nigeria but elements of it may be useful for other scam buyers.


HOW THE SCAM WORKS

The scammer lives in Nigeria but because they're pretending to live somewhere else they ask for the item to be sent to a relative or friend in Nigeria (really themselves).

They persuade the seller to send the goods on receipt of a fake payment confirmation email, usually from Paypal but also from various banks, Western Union or other payment services. Or just by promising payment. The seller sends the item to Nigeria but the promised payment never materialises. They target new sellers of relatively expensive items, especially cell phones and other electronic goods.

Some of them will have newly registered IDs with fake addresses in various countries. A growing number are now also using hi-jacked accounts. These can be identified by the ID having been dormant for some time and/or a sudden change in items being bought.

Check the rest of their purchases using Advanced Search (top of any page) > Items by Bidder (include completed items). If they have bought a large number of similar expensive items over one or two days then the odds are they're scammers.


HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM

1. The idea is to get the scammer suspended first to make it quicker for you to do the Unpaid Item process in order to get your final value fee back. So first report to eBay using this link:

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Select: Selling and managing your item > Continue > Fraud and transaction problems > Buyer paid or attempted to pay with fake/stolen funds > Continue > Email Us.

And then report their fake contact details here (the report link is at the bottom):

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2. After that they should be suspended within a couple of days. Do not bother to reply to their emails. Keep an eye on their ID and when it says "No longer registered with eBay" beside it you will be able to do the Unpaid Item process immediately to get your final value fees back, here's that link:

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3. After that you can relist and if it sells the second time your relisting fee will be refunded too. If you relist before completing the Unpaid Item process you will not be eligible for a relisting fee refund. If for some reason the scammer is not suspended quickly you will have to wait seven days to start the Unpaid Item process in the usual way.

4. You can make a Second Chance Offer before they're suspended and before doing the Unpaid Item process, if that's what you prefer to do but make sure the underbidder isn't a scammer too. To check a bidder have a look at what else they're bidding on. Click on Advanced Search (top of any page), then on Items by Bidder, put in the ID, tick "include completed listings" and then click on "search". If they are newly registered and buying large quantities of the same sort of expensive items, then the odds are they're also scammers.

5. If the scammer has used a hi-jacked account eBay will temporarily suspend the account and the transaction will usually be removed from their database. If so your final value fee should automatically be refunded to your seller account and there will be no need to do the Unpaid Item process. Check for your fee refund at My eBay > Seller Account > View Account Status. If it has not been refunded contact eBay's live help and ask them to do it manually. Here's their link:

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If the transaction has not been removed you will need to do the Unpaid Item process to get your final value fee back. If you have received notification from eBay that the account was hi-jacked it should mean that by then the account has been returned to its rightful owner. In that case if possible use the "mutual consent" option which the real account holder has to agree to. Email them first to warn them.

If you get no reply or you believe the account has not been returned to the rightful owner do NOT use the "mutual consent" option, do it in the usual way, starting seven days after end of auction.


TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING AGAIN

1. The only effective way against hi-jacked accounts is to use Immediate (Paypal) Payment on your listing, then the listing cannot end without payment being made. To do that during the listing process select to sell Fixed Price Only (or Buy It Now and auction but then you must use a reserve - minimum £50 - to keep the BIN and Immediate Payment if a bid is placed.) and you'll see the link to use Immediate Payment just below the Paypal logo. To use Fixed Price/Buy It Now you must have a feedback rating of 10 or if you have a Paypal account and accept it as an option on your listing a feedback rating of 5 or more.

2. Other options will work if the scammer has registered a new ID for themselves, eg. block zero or low feedback bidders with no credit card on file, buyers in countries where you don't ship and those without Paypal accounts, all on here:

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3. If you are not using Immediate Payment do not use Buy It Now. Then at least you might have the chance to cancel unwanted bids.

Please also be aware of credit card scams, usually (but not only) from Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, where they pay using Paypal but use stolen or fake credit cards so the money is withdrawn by Paypal later. Do not accept Paypal payment for expensive items from these and other scam areas. If necessary issue a refund and report fake funds to eBay as above.

If in doubt about a buyer please ask for advice on the Trust & Safety board.
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erickeeth
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Re: :O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

Nov 4, 2009 6:03 PM
In the past 3 days ive had 2 scammers, from nigeria trying to get my items, they send me all kinds of ridiculous emails saying the fbi is going to track me down and im going to be put on the "most wanted" list..are they serious? do they even know what the most wanted list is? If you would like to know the names of these people send me and email and ill get back to you.
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Nov 17, 2009 9:26 AM
I was scammed by pishing!!!! My ring is on it's way to the united kingdom and I have no money. Do NOT DO BUSINESS WITH CAROL ALAN IT'S CAROLALAN41@YAHOO.COM
WHAT A RIP OFF. A 2000.00 RING THROWN AWAY.
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Nov 21, 2009 2:10 PM
I was scammed by pishing!!!! My ring is on it's way to the united kingdom and I have no money. Do NOT DO BUSINESS WITH CAROL ALAN IT'S CAROLALAN41@YAHOO.COM
WHAT A RIP OFF. A 2000.00 RING THROWN AWAY.


Sounds like you believed you had been paid when you weren't. Always check at PayPal.com and don't believe emails you get saying you have been paid.

It's pretty risky to start right out on ebay selling expensive items. You need to start small and learn how things work before going for the big sales. New sellers with expensive items are a scam magnet.

Sorry this happened to you. :(

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Re: :O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

Nov 22, 2009 12:09 PM
Depending on the shipping service and method, it MAY be possible to do an intercept on the parcel before delivery - especially if there is a scam involved.

As long as the item is in the possession of THE SHIPPER, you might be able to get it back if you act quickly, and definitively.

It's once the scammer gets it in their scummy little hands that you're truly out of luck unless you can get the overworked/underpaid local law enforcement to do something... which still might be worth a shot.
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Nov 25, 2009 2:46 PM
I have a question and require an answer.

Recently I put up a "buy it now" auction listing for dark angel concert t shirt from 1989. The buyer is from Malaysia. Dropped me a note (a couple of notes) saying he really wanted it. But ebay wasn't taking his payments.

How odd I thought so I told him I sent him an invoice and to click on the "pay" button then he will have to set up a paypal account. Which was very easy to do.

Any way he had sent me his paypal email address and asked for me to send a request of money? to him so he could pay. Also asked me for my email address, which I gave it to him.

There are funds there for $120.00 the same dollar amount as auction.

But what scared me and worried me was, I wanted to get a tracking number possibly for the item, so I tried to "print the label" in the ebay sold items area. I noticed that he did not include is address numbers; it only has his name, the word "default" for his address and I guess it the town or province and Malaysia and zip & numbers.

Well, he sent payment directly through paypal with a note to where to send item, it's the same address as on paypal. and I did receive an email from paypal, but for some reason, it just looks funny.

Don't paypal verify your financial info by putting small deposits in your account for you to verify and taking longer then 1 day?

I put the item up on Nov 22, it was gone the same day, payment came in on Nov 23, and he is no longer registered on ebay, (which i stumbled across today, Nov 25th). He was a new user with zero feedback.

According to paypal, they said to protect your items and to confirm information, I sent him a email to his email address that he provided to paypal requesting he confirm, but I have not received an answer yet.

What should I do?

p.s.: the thing is I've sent items to Malaysia and Indonesia before without any problems, but for some reason something isn't right about it
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racers_edge2012
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Re: :O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

Nov 25, 2009 2:53 PM
I have another terrible question:

Is there anyway for someone who wants to rip someone off to, take money from your paypal account and have it deposited into their account?

Paypal doesn't automatically take money out of your paypal account just because someone insists you owe them money?

But it is only you that have to send payment right?

I'm new at this scamming stuff.
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**laska
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Re: :O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

Nov 25, 2009 2:55 PM
I put the item up on Nov 22, it was gone the same day, payment came in on Nov 23, and he is no longer registered on ebay, (which i stumbled across today, Nov 25th). He was a new user with zero feedback.

It's a scammer. You should hit the refund button on the payment or just wait for PayPal to take it back when they figure out it's fraud. Be very happy ebay kicked them off before you shipped your item.

You absolutely need to walk away from this and just file the unpaid bidder dispute.

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Nov 25, 2009 4:38 PM
"Should I file for an unpaid item dispute"

Should I do this before the payment they made in my paypal account falls away or do it now when it's still in there?

Confused?
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