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:O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O
Jun 21, 2007 03:53 AM
This advice relates to a particular scam carried out by some people living in Nigeria but elements of it may be useful for other scam buyers. HOW THE SCAM WORKS The scammer lives in Nigeria but because they're pretending to live somewhere else they ask for the item to be sent to a relative or friend in Nigeria (really themselves). They persuade the seller to send the goods on receipt of a fake payment confirmation email, usually from Paypal but also from various banks, Western Union or other payment services. Or just by promising payment. The seller sends the item to Nigeria but the promised payment never materialises. They target new sellers of relatively expensive items, especially cell phones and other electronic goods. Some of them will have newly registered IDs with fake addresses in various countries. A growing number are now also using hi-jacked accounts. These can be identified by the ID having been dormant for some time and/or a sudden change in items being bought. Check the rest of their purchases using Advanced Search (top of any page) > Items by Bidder (include completed items). If they have bought a large number of similar expensive items over one or two days then the odds are they're scammers. HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM 1. The idea is to get the scammer suspended first to make it quicker for you to do the Unpaid Item process in order to get your final value fee back. So first report to eBay using this link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_selection.html Select: Selling and managing your item > Continue > Fraud and transaction problems > Buyer paid or attempted to pay with fake/stolen funds > Continue > Email Us. And then report their fake contact details here (the report link is at the bottom): http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/identity-false.html 2. After that they should be suspended within a couple of days. Do not bother to reply to their emails. Keep an eye on their ID and when it says "No longer registered with eBay" beside it you will be able to do the Unpaid Item process immediately to get your final value fees back, here's that link: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CreateDispute 3. After that you can relist and if it sells the second time your relisting fee will be refunded too. If you relist before completing the Unpaid Item process you will not be eligible for a relisting fee refund. If for some reason the scammer is not suspended quickly you will have to wait seven days to start the Unpaid Item process in the usual way. 4. You can make a Second Chance Offer before they're suspended and before doing the Unpaid Item process, if that's what you prefer to do but make sure the underbidder isn't a scammer too. To check a bidder have a look at what else they're bidding on. Click on Advanced Search (top of any page), then on Items by Bidder, put in the ID, tick "include completed listings" and then click on "search". If they are newly registered and buying large quantities of the same sort of expensive items, then the odds are they're also scammers. 5. If the scammer has used a hi-jacked account eBay will temporarily suspend the account and the transaction will usually be removed from their database. If so your final value fee should automatically be refunded to your seller account and there will be no need to do the Unpaid Item process. Check for your fee refund at My eBay > Seller Account > View Account Status. If it has not been refunded contact eBay's live help and ask them to do it manually. Here's their link: https://cschatlb-na.corp.ebay.com/chat.asp?profile=15 If the transaction has not been removed you will need to do the Unpaid Item process to get your final value fee back. If you have received notification from eBay that the account was hi-jacked it should mean that by then the account has been returned to its rightful owner. In that case if possible use the "mutual consent" option which the real account holder has to agree to. Email them first to warn them. If you get no reply or you believe the account has not been returned to the rightful owner do NOT use the "mutual consent" option, do it in the usual way, starting seven days after end of auction. TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING AGAIN 1. The only effective way against hi-jacked accounts is to use Immediate (Paypal) Payment on your listing, then the listing cannot end without payment being made. To do that during the listing process select to sell Fixed Price Only (or Buy It Now and auction but then you must use a reserve - minimum £50 - to keep the BIN and Immediate Payment if a bid is placed.) and you'll see the link to use Immediate Payment just below the Paypal logo. To use Fixed Price/Buy It Now you must have a feedback rating of 10 or if you have a Paypal account and accept it as an option on your listing a feedback rating of 5 or more. 2. Other options will work if the scammer has registered a new ID for themselves, eg. block zero or low feedback bidders with no credit card on file, buyers in countries where you don't ship and those without Paypal accounts, all on here: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?BuyerBlockPreferences 3. If you are not using Immediate Payment do not use Buy It Now. Then at least you might have the chance to cancel unwanted bids. Please also be aware of credit card scams, usually (but not only) from Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, where they pay using Paypal but use stolen or fake credit cards so the money is withdrawn by Paypal later. Do not accept Paypal payment for expensive items from these and other scam areas. If necessary issue a refund and report fake funds to eBay as above. If in doubt about a buyer please ask for advice on the Trust & Safety board.
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:O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O

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:O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O
Jun 21, 2007 03:53 AM
This advice relates to a particular scam carried out by some people living in Nigeria but elements of it may be useful for other scam buyers. HOW THE SCAM WORKS The scammer lives in Nigeria but because they're pretending to live somewhere else they ask for the item to be sent to a relative or friend in Nigeria (really themselves). They persuade the seller to send the goods on receipt of a fake payment confirmation email, usually from Paypal but also from various banks, Western Union or other payment services. Or just by promising payment. The seller sends the item to Nigeria but the promised payment never materialises. They target new sellers of relatively expensive items, especially cell phones and other electronic goods. Some of them will have newly registered IDs with fake addresses in various countries. A growing number are now also using hi-jacked accounts. These can be identified by the ID having been dormant for some time and/or a sudden change in items being bought. Check the rest of their purchases using Advanced Search (top of any page) > Items by Bidder (include completed items). If they have bought a large number of similar expensive items over one or two days then the odds are they're scammers. HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM 1. The idea is to get the scammer suspended first to make it quicker for you to do the Unpaid Item process in order to get your final value fee back. So first report to eBay using this link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_selection.html Select: Selling and managing your item > Continue > Fraud and transaction problems > Buyer paid or attempted to pay with fake/stolen funds > Continue > Email Us. And then report their fake contact details here (the report link is at the bottom): http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/identity-false.html 2. After that they should be suspended within a couple of days. Do not bother to reply to their emails. Keep an eye on their ID and when it says "No longer registered with eBay" beside it you will be able to do the Unpaid Item process immediately to get your final value fees back, here's that link: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CreateDispute 3. After that you can relist and if it sells the second time your relisting fee will be refunded too. If you relist before completing the Unpaid Item process you will not be eligible for a relisting fee refund. If for some reason the scammer is not suspended quickly you will have to wait seven days to start the Unpaid Item process in the usual way. 4. You can make a Second Chance Offer before they're suspended and before doing the Unpaid Item process, if that's what you prefer to do but make sure the underbidder isn't a scammer too. To check a bidder have a look at what else they're bidding on. Click on Advanced Search (top of any page), then on Items by Bidder, put in the ID, tick "include completed listings" and then click on "search". If they are newly registered and buying large quantities of the same sort of expensive items, then the odds are they're also scammers. 5. If the scammer has used a hi-jacked account eBay will temporarily suspend the account and the transaction will usually be removed from their database. If so your final value fee should automatically be refunded to your seller account and there will be no need to do the Unpaid Item process. Check for your fee refund at My eBay > Seller Account > View Account Status. If it has not been refunded contact eBay's live help and ask them to do it manually. Here's their link: https://cschatlb-na.corp.ebay.com/chat.asp?profile=15 If the transaction has not been removed you will need to do the Unpaid Item process to get your final value fee back. If you have received notification from eBay that the account was hi-jacked it should mean that by then the account has been returned to its rightful owner. In that case if possible use the "mutual consent" option which the real account holder has to agree to. Email them first to warn them. If you get no reply or you believe the account has not been returned to the rightful owner do NOT use the "mutual consent" option, do it in the usual way, starting seven days after end of auction. TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING AGAIN 1. The only effective way against hi-jacked accounts is to use Immediate (Paypal) Payment on your listing, then the listing cannot end without payment being made. To do that during the listing process select to sell Fixed Price Only (or Buy It Now and auction but then you must use a reserve - minimum £50 - to keep the BIN and Immediate Payment if a bid is placed.) and you'll see the link to use Immediate Payment just below the Paypal logo. To use Fixed Price/Buy It Now you must have a feedback rating of 10 or if you have a Paypal account and accept it as an option on your listing a feedback rating of 5 or more. 2. Other options will work if the scammer has registered a new ID for themselves, eg. block zero or low feedback bidders with no credit card on file, buyers in countries where you don't ship and those without Paypal accounts, all on here: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?BuyerBlockPreferences 3. If you are not using Immediate Payment do not use Buy It Now. Then at least you might have the chance to cancel unwanted bids. Please also be aware of credit card scams, usually (but not only) from Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, where they pay using Paypal but use stolen or fake credit cards so the money is withdrawn by Paypal later. Do not accept Paypal payment for expensive items from these and other scam areas. If necessary issue a refund and report fake funds to eBay as above. If in doubt about a buyer please ask for advice on the Trust & Safety board.
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Re: :O How To Deal With Scam Buyers :O
Apr 7, 2011 08:01 PM
pata.. I'm sorry to hear that but the fact is that a seller has to show proof of delivery and not just mailing.
The seller really has no idea if the buyer did receive the item if they do not have delivery confirmation. :(
A seller who does not ship an item with delivery confirmation is at risk of a scam ( or maybe not since he or she has no idea if the buyer did recieve the item).

Anything over 20 dollars (or whatever you are not willing to loose) I will not ship without DC (delivery confirmation) > if your friend did not have that . he would indeed loose the claim .


Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible---- Frank Zappa

(553 of 665)
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Apr 21, 2011 04:09 AM
My son purchased a phone for me in November for a Christmas gift. He gave it to me December 25th. The phone was defective so we sent it back. The seller never replaced the phone or the money. Ebay CEO said'next time open a buyer protection within 45 days". So it appears we have just given away $130 because Ebay is saying there is nothing they can do. I am surly going to share this this scam with everybody I know so that Ebay wont help other people lose their money. I advise you all to do the same. It is not fair to us!
(554 of 665)
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Apr 26, 2011 01:44 PM
EBAY AND PAYPAL BACKUP THE CROOKS

THIS IS WHY IM LEAVING BOTH ASAP!
(555 of 665)
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Apr 30, 2011 01:29 PM
task_force_ranger@yahoo.com is a scamer ripped me off never returned refunded items
(556 of 665)
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May 1, 2011 11:42 AM
I've had several scammers attempt to catch me recently. One was selling a vehicle I was interested in on Ebay Classifieds. When I told him my friend lived nearby and we wanted to send him to look at it they suddenly moved across country. They didn't tell me where until I asked twice. Then I happened to know someone nearby there also. After I asked them to contact the 3rd party to check out the car they disappeared, stopped communicating and the listing was pulled. I don't know who pulled it Ebay or the seller.
(557 of 665)
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May 14, 2011 09:59 PM
First of all, Ebay Dispute & Paypal Dispute are the biggest load of you know what ever...lol, If you sell anything international now, you better make sure it is low price or insured because the number of scammers are increasing daily...
(558 of 665)
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May 30, 2011 10:25 PM
Very nice thread hopefully people will listen to it. We need to crack down on all of the eBay scammers/Fraud going on we need to stop it all.
(559 of 665)
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Jun 17, 2011 05:21 PM
Trust and safety IS A JOKE !!!
There is NO TRUST and NO SAFETY ON EBAY !!

Anybody can create a buyer ID using any name using any address and phone number even if the name, address and phone number are not real !!!
They can even create one using your information if they have your name and address and an e-mail address even if the e-mail address is a fake one made on gmail or yahoo or another web-based free email place !!!

Then they can use that account against you.

What the heck kind of BS is that !!!!!!!!!!
Does ebay do anything about it !! NO !!
DO THEY CARE !! NO !!!!!

I am waiting a week now for them to resolve one of these issues !!!
Try to call them and you get a different person and have to explain the whole damn shabile again !!

It seems that all they do is clock in their 8 hours, clock out and collect a paycheck for not accomplishing anything.
They should get paid commission !! then maybe something would get done
(560 of 665)
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Jun 29, 2011 11:18 PM
I had a buyer who asked me to ship the item to Nigeria. I replied and said of course I'm not shipping it to Nigeria. I never received PayPal payment either; though technically it still hasn't been four days...

I applied to cancel the transaction because I said on the listing that I would only ship within the United States. Was that a mistake? Will I still be charged a final value fee?
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Jul 6, 2011 08:21 AM
I wonder if anyone knows of a single buyer who has ever LOST a buyer dispute? I got my first "I didnt receive the item" this week and I took a hit for hundreds. It seems all the buyer has to do is say they never received the item and since the seller cannot get any confirmation numbers its a done deal is that not a giant loophole? Is the solution to just not sell to anyone outside the USA? Has ebay ever sided with a seller in this kind of dispute?
(562 of 665)
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Jul 26, 2011 09:44 PM
how about "scam sellers"?....i have one that i am trying to get ebay to notice the simularities, of this seller and several other names, items and merchandise, same priceing....they got me on two items, and them i started looking around and noticed the same member name except for the year at the end of the name.... and of coarse that member has been removed, and now they did it under another member account....now that they have been caught under that name ..... i searched around and found the same merchandise for the same amazing price, and the member name is done in a very close format as before...and there star level is below 1,000 and i just know it is the same people... how do i directly point this out to ebay
(563 of 665)
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Jul 26, 2011 09:48 PM
im somewhat new, but, i thought it was full proof...how niave..i was having a great time buying on ebay, now i am very leary, of coarse i trust the sellers i have dealt with before... though i find items i want else where, and i just can't bring myself to buy if they are not "top rated, or at least several thousand sells.....really sucks.
(564 of 665)
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Jul 26, 2011 09:56 PM
wow i never thought of it from a sellers point of view....and never considered saying i didn't recieve something...i just can't wait to get an item i bought on ebay...and them the "SECURITY" message pops up on my mail that an item has been removed for certain reasons, so i try and contact seller to see "hey where is my item, of coarse it must be a mistake, right"? wrong... no answere and my eyes open up that "yep" ive been had.... Too good tooo be truuuue.....sorry for the sellers to deal with scammers.....either way it reallly sucks..... though i would'nt send anything till i recieved my money if i were you. then after i think about my situation, i don't want to send payment till i recieve my item, there has got to be a better way..... i was having so much fun buying here on ebay, and now i am just worried about every purchase
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(565 of 665)
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Jul 26, 2011 10:00 PM
that is great .... i bet you really pissed them off and gave them a head full of frustration.... GOOD FOR YOU!!!!:^O
(566 of 665)
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Jul 29, 2011 04:43 AM
i was having so much fun buying here on ebay, and now i am just worried about every purchase

The easiest way to learn the correct checks is to keep reading the threads on the boards and:

Always check a sellers feedback.

Don't buy from an inactive account,(9 times out of 10 it's a scammer).

Always pay with Paypal and back it up with a Credit card if you can,(doubles the protection).

If you need to open a dispute make certain you do so within the time line.

Is the solution to just not sell to anyone outside the USA?

Aus sellers have come to the same conclusion to not post to the US as they invariable lose the dispute.

And now Aus post has added another $9 ,(so extra security checks can be in place) to parcels going to the US it makes it more expensive to post to the US.

Has ebay ever sided with a seller in this kind of dispute?

Only when they have had proof of delivery.
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(567 of 665)
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Jul 29, 2011 09:05 AM
Please watch out for manamaria1234an. This buyer purchased my item (150626752069) on July 8 and promptly paid. However, 2 weeks later opened a case (5010406891), claiming nonreceipt. Interestingly, the buyer falsely reported that he/she had contacted me and that I had not responded. Ebay found no evidence of the buyer contacting me. Also, suspiciously, the buyer escalated the case almost immediately. On viewing his/her feedback, I noted that while sellers leave feedback, this buyer leaves none in return. I contacted each seller and now have found that 5 sellers (of the 7 whom I queried!) report a similar issue where theirs ended with a forced refund either through them or ebay. One disgruntled seller suggested contacting the postmaster in this buyer's area to investigate nondeliverable items to this person's address.

The buyer has not responded to any of my emails/messages thus far. The buyer is now aparently no longer a registered user. Despite this, I am fearful that the excalated case will be ruled in favor of this unscrupulous buyer, as this is how most cases end unfortunately. Even in the fluke that the outcome is favorable to me, one can never be sure if this buyer later reverses the pay pal or credit card charge. This is a dire predicament. I strongly suspect that this seller has manipulated the Ebay Buyer Protection system and is milking the system for what it is worth.

I hope other sellers who have dealt with this buyer will come forth to share their experience, be it good or bad, so that it could perhaps help me and ebay with the case. It could be crucial. To these sellers, just prudently keep a lookout for reversed pay pal or credit card charges.
(568 of 665)
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Aug 1, 2011 12:10 PM
My name is Kyle Zeitler and I was wondering if anyone knew any information about recovering lost assets from a previous account. It was years ago and cannot remember the password and dont know what to do :(
(569 of 665)
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Aug 1, 2011 09:35 PM
we are on the same page,, frontela@gmail.com
(570 of 665)
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Aug 7, 2011 03:46 PM
Take a leaf out of the P-p-p-powerbook and send the scammer something useless like a non working $5 wind up watch from Walmart. Send it via FedEx or UPS as they charge an arm and a leg for custom brokerage. And be sure to declare very high value (oh say, #5,000 USD) and claim it's a valuable family heirloom or something believable.

If the scammer bites it, he's out a lot of moolah.
(571 of 665)
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Aug 7, 2011 08:07 PM
AGREE !!
(572 of 665)
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Aug 7, 2011 08:08 PM
EBAY AND PAYPAL BACKUP THE CROOKS

THIS IS WHY IM LEAVING BOTH ASAP!




me too !!! CLOSING MY AUCTIONS NOW !!!
(573 of 665)
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Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM

Yes,we live in a world of dishonesty

(574 of 665)
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Sep 5, 2011 12:20 PM

@ reedhough You are so right ! People think it is easier to buy on ebay because it's just a click away, right ? The truth is for every good seller out there there are hundreds that are total crooks ! Then you might think, "Oh well, this or that item was only a few bucks, no big deal right ?"  WELL I SAY WRONG !! Scammers make millions every year stealing your 'just few bucks' ! It may seem cheaper to buy on ebay, but in reality you are paying more than the few bucks gas it would take to go to a 'real' store, you are paying to make your buying even worse in the future by letting the crooks win !! I am not sure how long it will be before I close my account, I'm waiting to see if anyone gives a damn if they loose my hundreds of $ I spend on here every year. I'm thinking ebay will just say " Oh well, there are millions of other suckers !" Even if the crooks only scam a person one time, if they do that times a million people, they've made millions of bucks !!!

(575 of 665)
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Sep 5, 2011 12:30 PM

@ **peaseblossom** (5) Very simple, DON'T SELL OR SEND ANYTHING outside certain coutries. There are many protections from scam customers. It's not the customers you need to worry about, it's the sellers, and ebay, but if you stay here, you will figure that out.

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