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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:16 PM
Hello. Recently bought a diamond anniv. ring in St. Thomas, V.I. Ring: 14K w&y gold, 15 channel set baguette diamonds, 0.25ct, H-I, VS1-SI2.
$750 - good price, bad price? Is the Carribean good for purchasing diamonds (&other gemstones) inexpensively. Thanks.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:18 PM
Welcome, backroom1! And welcome to all our guests tonight.

We're very excited to present to you our first of a 3-part jewelry workshop series.

Tonight we have a member, backroom1, from the jewelry discussion board who has considerable expertise in this field as a professional appraiser. She has generously offered to teach us all about jewelry appraisals and what we need to know them.

We love comments and questions, so please feel free to drop us a post! If you have additional tips/suggestions to add, we'd love to hear them! Even if you don't have a question or tip, just post a 'hello' so we know you are with us!

Thanks again, backroom1...

Legalese that our lawyers make me say... :)

The statements and opinions made in this discussion board are those of backroom1 only and do not reflect eBay policy or eBay's opinion with respect to such statements.


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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:19 PM
Hello. Recently bought a diamond anniv. ring in St. Thomas, V.I. Ring: 14K w&y gold, 15 channel set baguette diamonds, 0.25ct, H-I, VS1-SI2.
$750 - good price, bad price? Is the Carribean good for purchasing diamonds (&other gemstones) inexpensively. Thanks.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:23 PM
welcome, c.k.campbell@worldnet.att.net!

I need to make one more note: Backroom1 will not be able to make any appraisals on specific items tonight or evaluate an item or appraisal in monetary terms...

c.k.campbell@worldnet.att.net, I hope that backroom1 or another member will be able to comment on the Carribbean, although we won't be able to offer advice about the monetary value of your ring. :)

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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:27 PM
Getting started with Appraisals:

Defining the 3 main types of appraisals:

·	Retail Replacement
Retail Replacement is probably the most common type of appraisal. This is an appraisal used for insurance purposes, which is done to protect you (or a recipient) in the event of damage or loss of a valuable item. This type of appraisal is typically requested from a retailer upon the sale of a jewelry item or another item of some value. The appraisal is written and the customer is responsible to give the document to their insurance agent. The insurance agent then creates a 'rider' on the homeowner's policy.

Retail Replacement is frequently requested for items purchased at other outlets, such as auctions and antique shows. It is frequently requested for 'inherited' items and for items that previously have not had a formal appraisal done.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:32 PM
Hello KC,
Looks like eBays lawyers have spoken.
Would you like to tell us your background in the valuation sciences, what courses you have taken, and what association's you belong to? Do you subscribe to, and follow USPAP code of ethics ?
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:34 PM
Some of the appraisals I've seen appear ludicrous. Values (even assuming retail) appear extreme. How is a retail value arrived a? How much is through objective criteria and how much through subjectives? Also, bluntly, how honest are some of these? I've sometimes had the feeling someone is trying to simply make me feel better about my purchase.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:35 PM
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Welcome, a.cut.above.. backroom1 will be talking about her own appraisal business later in the workshop. :)

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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:35 PM
Good Evening CK,

Contrary to popular belief, things are not less expensive on cruises and such. The diamond and gold markets are international and are market driven. Can you get 'good buys', of course you can. But you can also get 'good buys' in the states. Buying overseas can be risky because what do you do if something is not as represented? You sometimes don't have much recourse in situations like these. If you like your ring and you are satisfied with your purchase, then enjoy it and let bring back happy memories of your trip.

KC
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:37 PM
Good Evening KC, Daphne :)

I have some earrings, which were my grandmothers.
They are what looks like diamond and safire
But the safire are different colors on each earring, the one is a shade different than the other one they are kinda large, I have them put aside in my house, I have not gotten a apprasial.

I also have a diamond ring from my step mother who passed away back in 93, I have her diamond ring in like a love knot, she bought this in saudi when her and my father were stationed there. It has .25x5 on the inside of the ring, it has 16 diamonds on it.

I know it is hard with out a image.. but my scanner is not working right now.

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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:37 PM
No problem, Daphne. I guess the bigger question is value of appraisals given by Diamonds International, etc. & other Carribean-based firms. Worth the paper they're printed on? Thanks.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:39 PM
·	Estate or Probate Appraisals

Estate and probate appraisals are documents used in the event of an inheritance or a death. Estate or probate wants to know a 'fair market value' on specified particular items. Fair market value is defined as an offering for sale between a willing seller and a willing buyer what an average dollar amount would be. A typical 'fair market value' dollar amount would be approximately 1/3 to 1/4 of a "Retail Appraisal" value. At this level, what the courts and the heirs want to know is 'how much is it worth', not how much would it cost to replace the items.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:39 PM
·	Liquidation Appraisals

This kind of appraisal is used in the event of a bankruptcy or as a means to raise needed cash in the shortest amount of time. Liquidation is defined as a seller having to raise cash quickly and offering the items at a very deep discount to a buyer, very often at a 'scrap price'. This means the items are weighed on a jewelry scale and the buyer only pays the dollar amount of what the refiner will pay for scrap precious metals. Very often pennies on the dollar are paid in relation to a Retail Value Appraisal.
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Re: Ebay Expert Member Workshop: What You Should Know About Jewelry Appraisals

Feb 8, 2002 4:49 PM
Hello c.k.campbell@worldnet.att.net,
The question you ask is similar to this hypothetical situation;
(From ADVISORY OPINION 21 (AO-21))Many appraisers and other professionals are uncertain about when they should meet USPAP requirements in providing valuation services. This uncertainty stems from two fundamental questions:
Should appraisers perform all assignments in compliance with USPAP, even when an assignment is not included in appraisal practice?
Are other professionals, whose work may require them to analyze value, obligated to comply with USPAP, even though they are not appraisers?

(Appraisers obligated to comply with USPAP recognize their responsibility to the ETHICS RULE, whether the services they provide are part of appraisal practice or part of other endeavors.)

Steve Andrews is a residential appraiser. One day, when attending a backyard barbecue, Steve is approached by a neighbor, who says, "Hey, Steve, I know you’re an appraiser. What do you think my house is worth?" What should Steve say?

Answer: Steve should recognize immediately that his neighbor expects him to respond as an appraiser. That means that as a part of appraisal practice, Steve’s answer should comply with USPAP. Steve can, of course, always decline to answer. He could say, "Gee, I don’t know. I haven’t worked in this neighborhood recently," or "Well, I haven’t been inside your house lately—I wouldn’t want to give you an uninformed answer."

Alternatively, Steve could provide a factual answer, such as, "I’ve been keeping track of the house sales in our subdivision, and they have been from $100,000 to $150,000 over the past couple of years." Giving such information is a part of appraisal practice for which there are no specific performance standards. Steve should be certain that he is acting ethically and competently in giving this kind of information, but he doesn’t need to prepare a workfile for it.

Steve should be careful, though, about applying any judgment in answering his neighbor’s question. If Steve says, "House sales in our subdivision in the last year have been from $100,000 to $150,000. I know that you’ve done lots of interior improvements to your house and, besides, it’s the more desirable two-story model, so its value should be near the high side of the range," he has just performed an appraisal. In this case, he should comply with Standards 1 and 2 and prepare a workfile. If Steve only provides factual data, he probably is acting within appraisal practice, but if he relates that data to a specific property, he has provided an appraisal.
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