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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:02 PM
Hello from David Nestander (davosales), owner of Organique-Antiques of Altona, Illinois. I will be hosting the Antique Reed Organ Workshop today on eBay! For starters I will try to give some background on reed organs in general. Then I will take your questions, comments or information on reed organs to post and reply with some hopefully, helpful answers. For reference, I will have to rely on Robert Gellerman's excellent Reed Organ Atlas for specific information on reed organ companies which numbered in the hundreds! I know reed organ collectors who are experts in this field as well and hope to draw on their knowledge should they be online as well. I will also give a little background of my father and I starting to repair reed organs while in high school in Ludington, Michigan around 1955. We called the business The Organique as it rhymes with antique! Thank you for joining me today!
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:02 PM
Welcome and thanks for joining us this evening!

We love workshops to be interactive, so please feel free to ask your questions that directly relate to this topic.

A note from our Legal Department:

The statements and opinions made in this workshop are those of the workshop host only and do not reflect eBay policy or eBay's opinion with respect to such statements.


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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:09 PM
I will take a few notes from Mr. Gellerman's excellent and authoritative reference, the Reed Organ Atlas which really filled a vast void for finding organ company histories and serial numbers of manufactory dates. The only other book comparable to Gellerman's was the 1969 edition of Michel"s Organ Atlas by N.E. Michel. There were many mistakes in the book but I still refer to it for certain pictures of organs I have to find. My 1985 edition of the Reed Organ Atlas is one of my favorite books! Only I need the new edition which I am told is even better.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:14 PM
Going on with the Atlas, Mr. Gellerman states in the Preface that his list is only intended to include only manufacturers of reed organs, including organettes and player reed organs, as well as suppliers of components and special materials for their manufacture. He also goes on to state that serial numbers are included wherever data is available. These numbers should be used with caution, since some manufacturers did not assign numbers in sequence, but assigned blocks of numbers to certain styles. Also, some companies used different numbers for the action than for the case. He puts an * by the number where questionable.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:23 PM
There have been different books written on the history of reed organ companies. The quarterly journal of the Reed Organ Society is "the bible" on reed organ histories, articles on repair, question forums that at one time in the early internet age had write-ups from the actual emails sent to the editorship of Mr. Ed Peterson of the Reed Organ Society. Today that is largely outdated with more and more direct email contact among members-at-large of the society.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:36 PM
Reed organs were developed almost simultaneously in Europe and the United States in the middle 19th century with harmoniums being the European mode with pressure bellows and peculiar stops of expression, etc. whereas the American organs as they became known to be called overseas, came to be known in the United States as "parlor organs"

The early organs were called melodeons, the very earliest and scarce ones called "lap organs". Melodeons had one pedal to pump attached by a rod to the horizontal exhauster inside the melodeon. Depending on how good the condition of the reservoir was, one could either pump like mad to keep the melodeon from "wheezing" too much or have the instrument redone with new bellows materials so one could play it without frantic pumping.

Melodeons were very attractive furniture pieces resembling small square grand pianos but much lighter, of course! Most were veneered with rosewood and came in various sizes, the smallest ones being more portable with folding, lyre legs in some models. The volume of sound was, needless to say, quite low since melodeons only as a rule had one set of reeds (one brass reed for each key if the melodeon had 61 notes.) Some had less. Other larger models like my Estey and Green were almost as large as a small square grand piano! Some like the Prince melodeons had two keyboards, something this collector would like to have. One is in Galena, Illinois at last check.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:38 PM
Please ask any questions you may have. They don't have to be on the general history I am giving here. They can be on value or serial numbers if I have the ones for that organ. Thanks for participating!
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:43 PM
Going on with the history, I would say the next step in organ development came with the flat-top organs replacing the rather quiet melodeons with organs in walnut cases as a rule, with stops to pull out to vary the tone and such organs having two sets of reeds or more with even a Sub Bass stop with the special 13 reeds in a little box at the back of the bass end of the organ chest. Flat top organs closed up rather compactly, hence their name. Many early organ companies that made melodeons quickly turned to making flat-top organs after the Civil War. I would expect the melodeons died out soon after with rosewood being a more expensive wood than the more plentiful walnut.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:43 PM
Any questions or comments for our workshop host?

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Deirdre
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:46 PM
I have gotten numerous questions from my website about valuation of reed organs. It usually helps to send a picture with the email. I get some excellent pictures this way. I will go into valuation a little later on.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:49 PM
Hi davosales:

What are some of the more commonly asked questions? Would you share those with us along with your responses? This will help provide a source of reference for the members.

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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:52 PM
After the flat-top era, reed organ companies went almost wild designing organs with fancy galleries, the more "gingerbready" the better! Organs got more stops with one company owned by Daniel Beatty having a one manual model with 27 stops! I still am curious how the man got all those stopknobs on the stopboard. I have pictures of that organ and would like one for my collection as well. I think it has a row of 23 stops with 2 extra at the bass and 2 extra at the treble end in the second row! Parlor organs were the rage in the 1880' up past the 1910's with oak models supplanting the walnut kind as a rule. I do have one made by Kimball of cherry wood. Estey even made one of birch or maple wood, having seen this one up in Minnesota owned by a expert collector.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 4:56 PM
The most commonly asked questions involve those about the value of an organ whether it is playing or not. Also, people like to know where to get an organ repaired and whether it is worth fixing. I even get questions about how to repair an organ as a hobby project. I have even advised people to tackle one on their own with books I suggest and advice from me as well. Many collectors are quite venturesome in this respect and more power to them!

I will be more than happy to follow-up questions after this workshop is over if that is possible. Please advise me.
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Re: eBay Expert Member Workshop: Repairing Antique Reed Organs - Friday, August 27th

Aug 27, 2004 5:02 PM
The value of an antique reed organ depends on so many factors: condition of case, the innards working or not, quality of the sound. An organ that was restored by a professional will of course be more valuable than one in original condition with one or both pedals down. (These pedal straps can be repaired quickly to give an idea of the organ sound)

The organs found on eBay have a very wide range of value from $10 to thousands. Generally organs are worth $200 up to $1000 as a rule. There are many exceptions of course
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