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eBay Expert Member Workshop: Searching and Buying Collectible Buttons on eB

Feb 5, 2003 4:57 PM





Hello and Welcome to my eBay button workshop. I hope to provide some tips
that will help in your search for collectible buttons on eBay. Things to
watch for, some basic button terminology, and where you can find more
information.

My name is Clare, abuttonlady on ebay and, yes elsewhere. I didn't start out
calling myself 'The Button Lady', it just sort of grew on me. There are lots
of other "Button Ladies"out there, but buttons are my specialty and when you
sell buttons that's what you're called. I divide my time between race
horses, button or quilt shows and selling buttons on eBay.

Yes, I did say "Race Horses". My husband and I have been training racing
Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds for 20 years. I feel very fortunate in
being able to do everything I love and make money at it too.

I've always thought that to be a good dealer, you don''t just sell your
merchandise, you know your product and help the customer learn about what
they are purchasing. To that end I hope this workshop today will further
that interest. I invite you to ask questions and learn to date buttons as to
their era, material and value. Along the way it is my hope to save valuable
buttons from being used for craft projects and to encourage others in the
collecting of buttons.

Of course my buttoning ventures have helped my own button collection grow as
well. I've been a member of The California State Button Society for about 8
years. Other club members have contributed much to my growing knowledge of
buttons. Some of the most interesting buttons I have collected include a
hand-painted miniature on Ivory and some Enameled, Sterling, Arts and Crafts
period buttons. The oldest buttons I own are from the 18th century, one of
which is from the French Revolution and has a catgut shank.

Clare...abuttonlady Workshop host

I have a number of posts to make in succession and then I will be happy totake questions.





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eBay Expert Member Workshop: Searching and Buying Collectible Buttons on eB

Feb 5, 2003 4:58 PM

A bit of history

An illustration of the longevity of Button collectors and sellers on the
eBay site is apparent in an interesting item I found, during my research for
this workshop. A paragraph in the book, The Perfect Store by Adam Cohen. Page 78 relates Mary Lou Song's redesigning of the category listings. (aprox
timeline. End of summer 1997)

"Song experienced the depth of user feeling firsthand when she was given the
task of redesigning the category listings, which with the new site
architecture, were being increased from forty to onehundred. Song developed
what she thought was a good list and posted it." (The Community response was
huge) "What astonished Song this time was not only the vehemence of the
objections, but the level of detail."

"Button Collectors, a group whose existance had escaped her until now,
excoriated her for being so ignorant about buttons. 'Did you know there are
vintage buttons, antique buttons, and modern buttons?' one irate button seller lectured her. 'That buttons don't belong in Sewing Collectibles? That they belong in their own category? Did you know that you can have plastic buttons or metal buttons? Did you mean pin-back buttons or did you mean four-hole buttons?' Once again, a chastened Song bowed to the will of the community. She drew up a list again, and worked with the button collectors to develope Auction Web's first category for buttons."

It facinates me that button collectors have made such a lasting presence on
eBay and that the word button is so popular in search that it regularly shows up
on the Hot products board.

Clare...abuttonlady Workshop Host





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eBay Expert Member Workshop: Searching and Buying Collectible Buttons on eB

Feb 5, 2003 4:58 PM
Sorting and cleaning

Start sifting through the button boxes of the past and you may find some
treasures worth saving or selling. Grandma's buttons may be dusty and smelly
but washing them is not always an option, if anything polish them with a non
abrasive cloth. Metal buttons, buttons with cardboard in them, also some
wood and fabric buttons will not take kindly to the water. Sort the buttons
by material and store them in breathable (not airtight) containers. Metal
and some older plastics, particuarly celluloid, do not mix well. Chemical
reactions will disintegrate the plastic buttons and turn the metal buttons
green. Set aside the more interesting finds from the old boxes and then take
the time to learn more about them. There are some wonderful books available
to help with your research.

Clare...abuttonlady Workshop host





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eBay Expert Member Workshop: Searching and Buying Collectible Buttons on eB

Feb 5, 2003 4:58 PM
Welcome abuttonlady! And everyone who has joined us tonight!

We love workshops to be interactive, so please feel free to ask your questions that directly relate to this topic.

A note from our Legal Department:

The statements and opinions made in this workshop are those of abuttonlady only and do not reflect eBay policy or eBay's opinion with respect to such statements.

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eBay Expert Member Workshop: Searching and Buying Collectible Buttons on eB

Feb 5, 2003 5:00 PM
Books:

  • ~Record of American Uniform and Historical Buttons with Supplement~Albert,
    Alphaeus Homer ~ Boyertown Pub. Co., Boyertown, Pa. 1973.


  • ~Uniform Buttons of the United States 1776_1865, by Warren K. Tice, Thomas
    Publications, Gettysburg, PA 17325, 1997


  • ~ BUTTONS ~ Epstein, Diana Harry Abrams, Inc. 2001, foreword by Jim Dine,
    preface by Tom Wolfe, 176 pages.


  • ~ THE BIG BOOK OF BUTTONS ~ Hughes, Elizabeth & Lester, Marion New Leaf,
    1981, ME, 813 pp. Out of print


  • ~The Collector''s Encyclopedia of Buttons by Sally Luscomb, Crown
    Publishers, Inc., New York, NY, 1967. Reprinted by Schiffer Publishing Ltd.,
    Atglen, JPA, 1992 & 1997


  • ~ BUTTONS ~ Meredith, Alan and Gillian Shire Books, 2001


  • ~ BUTTON, BUTTON: Identification and Price Guide ~ Osbourne, Peggy Ann
    Schiffer, Atglen, PA , 1997


  • ~ FUN BUTTONS with Price Guide ~ Osborne, Peggy Ann Schiffer Publishing Ltd


  • ~ DISCOVERING BUTTONS ~ Peacock, Primrose Shire Publications,
    Buckinghamshire, England, 1984, 76 pages.


  • Vol I & Vol II ~ Antique & Collectible Buttons: Identifications and Values ~
    Wisniewski,Debra J. Collector Books, 1997


  • Reading, researching and knowing your desired collectible will allow a more
    successful search.

    Clare...abuttonlady Workshop Host





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    Feb 5, 2003 5:02 PM
    Button Terminology and words that may be KEY in your descriptions for search and listing.

  • Abalone: Shell with deep blue green shades.

  • Age: Buttons from before 1918 are considered antique. Buttons after this
    date are modern.

  • Arita Porcelain: Usually back-marked. Finely painted porcelain buttons of
    Japanese origin. Often realistic shapes.

  • Art Nouveau: Many seen are Hallmarked Sterling. They have flowing, curving
    designs.

  • Bakelite: A synthetic phenolic, thermoset plastic invented between 1907 and 1909. When the patent expired in 1926, other firms began to improve and market it under other names, like Catalin.

    The colors were better and very attractive. This is the material we now tend to call Bakelite and from which some of some of the most beautiful "plastic" buttons were made.

  • Black glass: From the Victorian period to modern. Most all black glass
    buttons are glass and not 'Jet'. Many faceted designs are found and are
    quite common. Pictorial designs would be the type more sought after.

  • Burwood: A trade name for a pressed wood button. Usually with pictorial
    designs. One may have also seen larger items of this material. Like
    bookends.

  • Calico: China buttons with tiny decorative transfer patterns. Should not be
    called glass.

  • Cameo: Broadly used by collectors to include buttons with a cut or molded
    raised design. Frequently found are those of shell.

  • Campaign buttons: If your buttons are Pin-back. One would not wish to list
    in the button category.

  • Celluloid: A thermo-plastic of a cellulose base. 1st used to imitate ivory.
    Then used for a multitude of buttons in molded, carved and sheet designs.
    They give off a carbolic acid or mothball smell (camphor) and the shanks are
    distinctive.

  • Ceramic: Can include Pottery, jasperware, porcelain and Satsuma.

  • Cinnabar: Mostly a red color. Carved laquer-combined materials buttons. From
    China.

  • Composition: A mixture of materials button which is molded. Often these have
    metallic flecks.

  • Damascene: A metal decorating art of Japan

  • Enamel: A metal decorating art of fused glass. Key words are Basse-taille,
    Champleve, cloisonne and emaux peints

  • Fabric: Includes covered buttons of cloth and crochet. Garter buttons with
    the cute little Flapper faces are fabric.

  • Gilt. Early brass buttons with a gold coating.

  • Glass: Antique if made before 1918. Modern if after. There are many
    construction types.

  • Hallmark: An official stamp to attest standard. Includes town where assayed, country and date. This may be used in relation to Silver buttons.

    Check auctions with Sterling silver Hallmarked buttons carefully. Sometimes they may be recastings. The general appearance of the button should be sharp and defined.

  • Horn: Material from the hoof and horns of animals.

  • Jet: A VERY scarce material. Lightweight mineral. Always carved, never
    molded. Takes a Nice. lustre when polished. Black glass imitates it but is
    much heavier and glossier.

  • Jewel Buttons: Having ONE stone in the center. Some of these 'may' be Gay
    90's type.

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    Cont:

  • Lithograph: Can look like miniature paintings. Under magnification you will
    find the tiny dots that make up the image.

  • Livery: Buttons with a crest. Very Heraldic looking

  • Lucite: A trade name for a clear plastic.

  • Marcasite: Extremely rare...and often confused with what is actually cut
    steel

  • Mosaic: Buttons with tiny bits of glass in the center forming a picture.

  • Paperweight: Buttons with a 'setup' and a cap of clear glass to give depth.

  • Pearl: Buttons from Mollusk shells. Can be very iridescent or plainer.
    Carved and Pictorial are the more desirable. Shell is another key word.

  • Picture Buttons: Buttons having designs other than geometric. Mostly Metal
    and produced in quantity from 1880 to 1900

  • Plastic: Moldable materials almost exclusively synthetic. Profuse in
    quantity.

  • Porcelain: White bodied buttons of clay. Heavily glazed with transfer or
    painted designs.

  • Realistic: Buttons In the "shape" of the object they represent.

  • Rubber: Most found are back marked Goodyear.

  • Satsuma: Japanese pottery. They have very finely painted designs with gold
    outlining.

  • Steel: Material was used extensively on 19th century buttons. as actual
    buttons, with buttons called steel cups, where other materials may be
    included and as trim. which is most often seen as facets that resemble
    marcasite.

  • Studio: Buttons made for collectors and not for the 'trade' where they would
    be marketed to the public at large.

  • Studs: Button look-likes with a post and disk on the reverse. Fasteners for
    Cuffs, shirtwaists, vests and collars. Should be labeled as such and
    differentiated from buttons.

  • Uniform Buttons: These can include Military and Non Military. There are many
    types from Transportation to Scouting.

  • Vegetable Ivory: A natural material from the nut of the Tagua or corozo
    palm. It's natural color is ivory-like. Many are dyed with impressed
    designs. When you see sellers using the abbreviation VI, this is what they
    are referring to. Anything pictorial would be desirable.

  • Victorian: A term which could loosely apply to buttons made from 1850 to
    1900

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:03 PM
    How to find Buttons on eBay




    Where-ever you enter your search terms, either from any search box OR from advanced
    search, you may want to just start with the word button and add the wildcard " * "
    asterisk. This will cause the search to include anything 'after' the word button,
    ie: the letter 's' for 'buttons'.

    Once you get the results page you will find that you've got more than you will
    ever want to look at. This is where the left side of the page becomes useful.

    Notice the list of categories with the numbers next to each? These are the numbers of
    results for button and buttons in each area. The place to click now is "vintage sewing".
    On the resulting page click "Buttons". Once there, you can begin to 'narrow' your search.

    To go directly to the category, find "browse" on the Navigation Bar. On the "categories"
    page, look for 'collectibles' and under that, 'vintage sewing'. Going there will take you to
    Buttons without eliminating all the titles that don't have the word 'button'. I suggest either
    bookmarking this page
    Vintage Sewing: Buttons or making a desktop shortcut.

    Clare ... abuttonlady Workshop Host






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    Feb 5, 2003 5:06 PM
    Recognizing buttons

    At this point I have some pictures to share.

    Particularly Bakelite, one of the most mis-used keywords in the Button
    category. It seems everyone would love their buttons to be of this material, even
    though it is primarily the realistic bakelite buttons that have the value.




    Bakelite does not have a huge variety of shanks. There are drilled sew-thrus,
    drilled self-shanks and metal loop shanks


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    Feb 5, 2003 5:07 PM
    A bit about bakelite testing.

    An easy to use bakelite test is Simichrome polish. An alternative is to make
    a small amount of paste out of comet or any cleaning powder. Dampen a white
    cloth ...dab some paste..and polish in an unobtrusive spot on the button.
    If the color comes off yellow then you have bakelite. The Chemical residue
    of the button is on the surface.

    I do not suggest cleaners with chemicals like 409 or scrubbing bubbles.
    Author Peggy Ann Osborne has done research for an upcoming book on plastics
    and after much discussion with chemical researchers and laboratory
    technicians she has concluded that one can't gage the long term effects
    introducing such a chemical as that in scrubbing bubbles could have on your
    buttons.

    This research also brought to light that the deterioration of celluloid
    buttons may be because of a chemical in the glue used to attach the shanks.
    the crazing and crumbling of old celluloid buttons usually begins in the
    shank area.

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:09 PM
    Recognizing Buttons

    Celluloid buttons can be recognized primarily by the shank.



    You will find the mound with the bite from each side, the looped flat ribbon and metal loop
    shanks, very typical.

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:10 PM
    Clare:

    I have a question for you about bakelite buttons. My jewelry reference books all maintain that bakelite was never molded and bakelite jewelry pieces will not have seam marks or mold marks.

    However, I know that radios, telephones, etc. constructed of bakelite WERE molded.

    What about bakelite buttons? Should we look for evidence of molding vs. carving or cutting?

    TIA,

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:10 PM
    Recognizing buttons

    Celluloid is the material of button you need to be more aware of than the
    bakelites. Many's the time I've seen a listing that has deteriorating
    celluloid buttons.




    Look for Crazing, crackling and crumbling buttons. Buttons with a strong
    odor of mothballs and sticky to touch are also suspect.

    If you find these in your collection or see Photos like the above, I'm
    afraid they are not good for much but the wastecan. The reason for this is that
    they will continue to deteriorate and will cause damage to your good celluloid
    buttons as well as other buttons, especially metal.

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:10 PM
    Recognizing Buttons

    Glass buttons can also be recognized by the shank. You can also compare the material
    to plastic by the 'tooth tap test'. You can definately feel a difference in the temperature
    and hardness of glass or plastics.



    Glass buttons have the greatest variety of shanks. From metal loop, grooved box shank,
    self shank, two way hump shank and more.

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    Feb 5, 2003 5:11 PM
    Listing suggestions

    The main category for button listings is Collectibles>> Vintage Sewing >>
    Buttons # 115 Collectors will be looking here for "collectible" buttons.

    Category #31732 is a good one for novelty buttons associated with hobbies
    such as scrapbooking.

    Category #7320 is another place for craft buttons. Specifically needlecraft.

    Use every bit of title space that you can with a KEY word. The title does not
    have to make sense. All it does is help searchers find your listing. Be sure and
    have the word "button" somewhere in the title, you would be surprised how many
    button listings do not have it. Use applicable key words in the description as
    well, for those who search by title AND description.

    The size of the button is important to collectors.

    Collectors group buttons according to the following size ratings:
    Large= 1 & 1/4 inches and over
    Medium= 3/4 to 1 1/4
    small= 3/8ths to 3/4's
    diminutive..up to 3/8's

    Much also can be learned from the reverse of a button. Where ever possible
    show the back. Collectors need the shank to be intact. Relate the
    condition, if the button has flaws or even an odor or mildew.

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